[Archived] Rovers Vs The Pool Fa Cup

[47er]

Exactly.

We need 3 or 4 signings

Almost there! We need 3 or 4 GOOD signings.

We won't get them.

[den]

The point is that gate money is a small percentage of the turnover. Stop making it up as you go along. On ignore.

I thought the argument was that the club desperately needed the paying customer Al. Isn't that what Parson, Chaddy, JB, Rev have been arguing? Theyre apparently helping keep the club afloat.

[Al]

I thought the argument was that the club desperately needed the paying customer Al. Isn't that what Parson, Chaddy, JB, Rev have been arguing? Theyre apparently helping keep the club afloat.

Maybe you are right. Well I've been a paying customer for nearly 70 years and will be as long as I can physically get there.

[den]

Maybe you are right. Well I've been a paying customer for nearly 70 years and will be as long as I can physically get there.

You know I think you should.

[philipl]

Watch out on Saturday for unknown persons causing trouble.a joint protest causes a few problems because either side do not know who is who.

I am afraid that point needs emphasising.

From reading this thread, it is clear that neither the protesters or those protesting the protest have any concept of how dangerous and dirty the forces are we are battling.

The people who have wrecked the Rovers won't be happy reading this https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/sports/soccer/blackpool-fc-blackburn-rovers-fa-cup.htutm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&_r=1

Well done Mark Fish!

[AggyBlue]

I thought the argument was that the club desperately needed the paying customer Al. Isn't that what Parson, Chaddy, JB, Rev have been arguing? Theyre apparently helping keep the club afloat.

Those statements depend on what you think the Venky end game is.

If you think they would be vindictive and shut the club down, recouping whatever they could by stripping the club bare and selling it off bit by bit you would probably agree with those statements.

If you thought the club would end up in administration, you would probably disagree with those statements.

If stopping attending home matches would definitely force the club into administration, many would stop going. However the closing down option isn't worth gambling with for some of us.

[Dunnfc]

The point is that gate money is a small percentage of the turnover. Stop making it up as you go along. On ignore.

Yawn.

I've presented factual and statistical evidence suggesting the long term implications of all types of boycotting and you retort with childish claims repeatedly. The link I provided is the FFP rules and outlines how it works.

If you want to carry on with your head in the sand then albeit it do so. I just hope your still around to see any uprising and re-birth.

you maybe 75 but I suggest your mind isn't quite what it probably was and provides the excuse for your continued ignorance.

[philipl]

My view is there isn't an end game.

They have a happy equilibrium where they and the people around them are doing OK thank you very much and they can see the FA tolerate this situation long term at other clubs so are laughing.

The only variable is the speed at which Rovers decline- too many relegations at once would be a little uncomfortable but they will still be with us in the National League North which is probably the most corrupt level of football in the UK.

[Dunnfc]

I am afraid that point needs emphasising.

From reading this thread, it is clear that neither the protesters or those protesting the protest have any concept of how dangerous and dirty the forces are we are battling.

The people who have wrecked the Rovers won't be happy reading this https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/sports/soccer/blackpool-fc-blackburn-rovers-fa-cup.htutm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&_r=1

Well done Mark Fish!

Mark has put it across brilliantly.

[mustard]

I am afraid that point needs emphasising.

From reading this thread, it is clear that neither the protesters or those protesting the protest have any concept of how dangerous and dirty the forces are we are battling.

The people who have wrecked the Rovers won't be happy reading this https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/sports/soccer/blackpool-fc-blackburn-rovers-fa-cup.htutm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&_r=1

Well done Mark Fish!

Great work Mark Fish! A really good article! Great coverage and will hopefully provide some much needed publicity of our plight. We struggle to get backing in our own country from our own media but it's pleasant to see that football fans abroad recognise there is a sickness in the game.

Only downside to the article was the Charlton supporter's "Trump-like denial of the facts" comment. Not sure why he felt the need to bring American politics into a discussion on football owners in quite a divisive way (just like I don't understand the Obama/Hillary love-in we have in the UK - but that's for another thread). I know it wasn't one of our fans, but we need support from everyone.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I am afraid that point needs emphasising.

From reading this thread, it is clear that neither the protesters or those protesting the protest have any concept of how dangerous and dirty the forces are we are battling.

The people who have wrecked the Rovers won't be happy reading this https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/sports/soccer/blackpool-fc-blackburn-rovers-fa-cup.htutm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&_r=1

Well done Mark Fish!

As the owners have no business interests in the US and most NYT readers aren't the least bit interested in soccer or Indian business people, I doubt there'll be a crisis meeting in Pune right now. The best part of that article was the video of the Blackpool tennis ball protest - a proper, mass, game-interrupting protest.

[Parsonblue]

Yawn.

you maybe 75 but I suggest your mind isn't quite what it probably was and provides the excuse for your continued ignorance.

Reading this type of insult to a long standing supporter is reason enough to give the protesters a wide berth if they show the same lack of tolerance to another point of view as you appear to do.

[perthblue02]

As the owners have no business interests in the US and most NYT readers aren't the least bit interested in soccer or Indian business people, I doubt there'll be a crisis meeting in Pune right now. The best part of that article was the video of the Blackpool tennis ball protest - a proper, mass, game-interrupting protest.

If only there was a way for things that are printed/published in a certain country to be seen elsewhere in the world

[Dunnfc]

Reading this type of insult to a long standing supporter is reason enough to give the protesters a wide berth if they show the same lack of tolerance to another point of view as you appear to do.

Wow. I don't think you can speak on behalf of any other boycotter just because I hold the strong views that I have, I don't think it's right you cast the same aspersions that others will hold such views.

Whether he is a long term or short term poster is largely irrelevant whilst my comment is very much tongue in cheek I would suggest it is ignorant to when I've replied factually to his torts to then just dismiss as b/s and the "oh your going on ignore" types of comments, that didn't sit right with me especially given he raised the initial points and I duly answered which supported my claims.

Anyways I hope yourselves and Chaddy enjoy the game!

[Parsonblue]

Wow. I don't think you can speak on behalf of any other boycotter just because I hold the strong views that I have, I don't think it's right you cast the same aspersions that others will hold such views.

Whether he is a long term or short term poster is largely irrelevant whilst my comment is very much tongue in cheek I would suggest it is ignorant to when I've replied factually to his torts to then just dismiss as b/s and the "oh your going on ignore" types of comments, that didn't sit right with me especially given he raised the initial points and I duly answered which supported my claims.

Anyways I hope yourselves and Chaddy enjoy the game!

At the end of the day you basically attacked him because of his age and because he doesn't agree with you. There are clearly many folk who don't agree with each other in the present situation but civility costs nothing. As for the game, I'm sure I will enjoy it regardless of the result. I suppose I'm fortunate in that I've never lost my enthusiasm for the club these past fifty odd years, just as Al hasn't lost his enthusiasm over a much longer period.

[Dunnfc]

At the end of the day you basically attacked him because of his age and because he doesn't agree with you. There are clearly many folk who don't agree with each other in the present situation but civility costs nothing. As for the game, I'm sure I will enjoy it regardless of the result. I suppose I'm fortunate in that I've never lost my enthusiasm for the club these past fifty odd years, just as Al hasn't lost his enthusiasm over a much longer period.

He wasn't attacked like that at all, in fact the age comment you are alluding to is when I was allegedly "on ignore" and after he was challenged in respect of his initial claims that I answered underlining the affects of boycotting and the longer term impact of what it currently holds, especially as it is more evident in L1 (60%) turnover wage spend (Currently 128%). My comment was purely based on fact in relation to the FFP rule and the last set of accounts which is fact and there in black and white in relation to boycotting and revenue continually dropping and having a more long term affect whilst the decline continues. As opposed to discussing this further he chose to retort to using the "b/s" acronym as a reply so I can only concede that he may have thought I had a point and didn't want to go further with his initial comments.

[Stuart]

Exacgly Stuart you said modding "IS" based on age not that you think it should be.

I've no problem, though I disagree, with what you think should happen. I'm just saying it is not what does happen.

I was speaking in the future tense. "Imagine a world where everyone is a liberal" does not mean every IS currently a liberal. I guess I'll have to make sure I type very literally in future.

Stuart, do you know how old I am?

In life, generally, and particularly in quite a number of cultures, age is considered an asset, one that has to be treasured.

What you are confusing, I think, is that statements made by people are, not "fact" but only "opinions". Providing links to news organisation websites, do not constitute "fact", it's generally some guys "opinion".

Taking statements as opinions and not facts changes the whole situation. If you do that, then life (on the internet) is much easier to accept.

Age should not come into it.

Probably should be in ask admin by this point but why would it matter if I knew how old you are? Everyone gets to go in all forums but modding restrictions would be appropriate to that group. If you don't like age (there's always something for some folk to get 'offended' at ) then just have mod-heavy and mod-light forums. If you are in one you can't complain about the modding just go to the one you feel most comfortable in.

[Al]

Reading this type of insult to a long standing supporter is reason enough to give the protesters a wide berth if they show the same lack of tolerance to another point of view as you appear to do.

I'm grateful for your support Parson but as you can see Dunnfc has tried bullying and now he is resorting to insults. I have therefore put him on my "ignore" list and would therefore respectfully request that you do not quote any more of his posts. Thank you.

[Parsonblue]

I'm grateful for your support Parson but as you can see Dunnfc has tried bullying and now he is resorting to insults. I have therefore put him on my "ignore" list and would therefore respectfully request that you do not quote any more of his posts. Thank you.

No problem Al. I'll do as you ask.

[Claytons Left Boot]

Millwall fans took action to prevent the New Den being CPOd by the council. If they had shrugged their shoulders and done nothing, they would have had no ground and would have had to consider ground sharing until they found suitable land elsewhere. That's what happens when 'supporters' do sweet FA. You know, like the bulk of our 'head in the sand' boys.

There should be a minimum of five thousand Rovers fans marching tomorrow but there won't be. We all know that. Well done to those that make the effort and those who have organised things. At least a very small percentage of our fan base care enough to take action. Shame on the rest of you.

With a largely meek, feeble and apathetic support, I suppose we'll get what we deserve. Sleep easily Chaddy & Co.

[Mike E]

Reading this type of insult to a long standing supporter is reason enough to give the protesters a wide berth if they show the same lack of tolerance to another point of view as you appear to do.

Parson, you know I respect everyone's opinion. I think it very disingenuous of you (and a cheap shot at many similarly long-standing supporters like yourself, Al, and my dad who all hold different opinions) to label Dunnfc's opinion as that of 'the protesters'.

Disagree with protests if you want, but don't think you can tar protesters (many of whom have no online presence at all) as 'to be given a wide berth' because you read some words that a few people have typed on ONE messageboard.

It's petty and not an excuse worthy of someone like you, whose opinion I generally value. You're better than resorting to that.

Equally Dunnfc, you're a good poster to have on here. Very knowledgeable in areas that others aren't. Let's keep it civil and not petty.

We are all Rovers fans and we all want success for our club.

[Al]

I didn't read Parsons post that way Mike. I believe he was saying that it was reason enough to give protesters a wide berth only if they had the same lack of tolerance as Dunnfc. I don't think he is upset by protesters per se, as I am not. They have as much right to do as they wish as I do. Just don't try to enforce their point of view on the rest.

[Exiled in Toronto]

If only there was a way for things that are printed/published in a certain country to be seen elsewhere in the world

And what will happen should the article be read in India? Seeking publicity is too indirect a strategy to make any difference whatsoever in my opinion. Disrupting games is the way forward.

[Parsonblue]

I didn't read Parsons post that way Mike. I believe he was saying that it was reason enough to give protesters a wide berth only if they had the same lack of tolerance as Dunnfc. I don't think he is upset by protesters per se, as I am not. They have as much right to do as they wish as I do. Just don't try to enforce their point of view on the rest.

Exactly right Al. I know several folk who are protesting and we are able to have proper discussions on the pros and cons without resorting to insults. We simply agree to disagree on protests and move on.

[Dunnfc]

And what will happen should the article be read in India? Seeking publicity is too indirect a strategy to make any difference whatsoever in my opinion. Disrupting games is the way forward.

Il make sure I bring my boots and swap my trainers