[Archived] Rovers Vs The Pool Fa Cup

[Parsonblue]

A serious question to Chaddy Parson and Rev,plus any other non protesters.

What do you think the next protest should be about,would you ever join in a protest or are you happy with the venkys regime.Serious question.

Until you actually know why Venkys are here it is impossible to know what will persuade them to leave. Clearly protests have little impact on them, just as Charlton, Coventry, Blackpool and Leeds, despite protests, are still owned by folk the fans would like to see leave - although I suspect Leeds fans are rapidly changing their minds. I've not met anyone happy with the way the club is run but many believe that whatever happens in Blackburn has little or no impact in Pune. Is it pride? Is it because they won't admit defeat? Are they convinced they can turn it around? Do they honestly believe they can get the club into the Premier League and make money as a result? Are they content with the way things are and allowing the club to find its own level? There are so many questions and until the answers are known I honestly don't believe that anyone is going make an impact on them. As much of the debt is owed to them I don't see them putting it in administration and writing off that debt. Whilst the motives of some of those who have surrounded them in the past six years might be questionable I find the actual Rao family and their motives rather more complex. The work they do with the poor in Pune suggests that they have a social responsibility to others, as the gift to the Cathedral would also suggest. Sadly when it comes to running a football club they appear clueless. If protests work then Charlton, Coventry, Blackpool and Leeds would all have been under new ownership long ago. I've long held the view that Venky's will only leave when THEY decide it's time to go and when they do I fully expect them to sell to someone from abroad. I can fully understand the motivations behind those boycotting and protesting and for many it is a principled stance. However, personally, the folk who I know who still go to games won't join in because they believe it's ultimately a futile exercise and would prefer to do what they have always done which is support the team. I know the concept of supporting through 'thick and thin' is not a popular one on this forum but it is a principle I have held all my life and still continue to do so. Ultimately both protesters and those still supporting are doing so because of a principled view that they hold. Apologies for taking this off topic but blue kiwi asked a question which I hope I have answered for him.

[chaddyrovers]

You clearly do not want Venkys out "as much as any other Rovers fan" or you would have joined in the 1875 protest.

Dont judge me as you dont know me. I have been very public on my thoughts on Venkys and I want them gone as much as you. Kamy and PeteD can back this up.

But like I keep saying the protests will have very little/zero impact on the owners. They will leave when they decided. Nothing I can do to impact this. So I will keep supporting the team on the pitch and remain a season ticket holder. I will support my team through the good and bad times. I know you probably wont like my post but its my view and I wont be changimg it cos of your post. So either respect it or move on.

I thought Mark Fish post on here were great and full on passion and lots of good logical points

[Amo]

However, personally, the folk who I know who still go to games won't join in because they believe it's ultimately a futile exercise and would prefer to do what they have always done which is support the team. I know the concept of supporting through 'thick and thin' is not a popular one on this forum but it is a principle I have held all my life and still continue to do so.

Yuck. What sanctimonious drivel.

[Parsonblue]

Yuck. What sanctimonious drivel.

So what part of the protest did you do yesterday? Of course you did the same as the rest of the non-protesters. Your hypocrisy would appear to know no bounds.

[blueboy3333]

Yuck. What sanctimonious drivel.

Why are you always picking at people?

[chaddyrovers]

Yuck. What sanctimonious drivel.

Why do you ever come on here?

Every post is an insult to someone

[grinder]

Topically relevant to this week and to some of the above - if we do nothing or don't speak out how do you effect change ?

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me - See more at: http://hmd.org.uk/resources/poetry/first-they-came-pastor-martin-niemoller#sthash.GNkUmZqz.dpuf

[Spalding Rover]

Dont judge me as you dont know me. I have been very public on my thoughts on Venkys and I want them gone as much as you. Kamy and PeteD can back this up.

But like I keep saying the protests will have very little/zero impact on the owners. They will leave when they decided. Nothing I can do to impact this. So I will keep supporting the team on the pitch and remain a season ticket holder. If you problem with this then its your problem not mine

Are you a salesman? your full of bullsh!t, that don't deliver. Just a yes man who repeats everything what someone says to you to everyone else and not forming your own opinion.

[Amo]

So what part of the protest did you do yesterday? Of course you did the same as the rest of the non-protesters. Your hypocrisy would appear to know no bounds.

I wasn't at the protest no, but I wholeheartedly support and respect what those supporters are fighting for.

Calling protests a "futile exercise" is just a cop-out for those fans who can't be assed or in this case want to retain their superfan image.

[tomphil]

On the match whilst Rovers may have put in a reasonably good get the job done type performance let's not forget just how poor a side Blackpool are. Listening to the commentary and the Blackpool guy on there was very disappointed. They didn't have a right good go at all, standard GB tactics by the sounds of it.

[Parsonblue]

I wasn't at the protest no, but I wholeheartedly support and respect what those supporters are fighting for.

Calling protests a "futile exercise" is just a cop-out for those fans who can't be assed or in this case want to retain their superfan image.

Thanks for confirming that you are a non-protester.

[blue kiwi]

Havent thought about what the next protest will be or when. But we cant influence the owners to sell the club sadly.

I want Venkys out as much as AndyW does or any other Rovers fan.

cheers for the answer Chaddy please have a little think about it because the fanbase is very divided and its up to people who still attend to find the middle ground.my thought is the next game rovers have with cheap tickets,everyone who is boycotting should attend and leave on a designated time,i know some will say i can,t do it but middle ground needs to be found.i broke my own boycott the season before i was in the uk,and i went the 1st game of the season,because i missed the rovers and my mates,i wish i had never have gone because i was very dissilousioned at the end,come on folks lets get together,cheap snide remarks get nowhere.

[chaddyrovers]

Are you a salesman? your full of bullsh!t, that don't deliver. Just a yes man who repeats everything what someone says to you to everyone else and not forming your own opinion.

No but yet again another poster with insults.

Its my opinion. Its the same opinion as the people I go with. And Yes its opinion as Al and ParsonBlue.

You dont like the opinion cos its not the same as yours.

[Amo]

Why do you ever come on here?

Every post is an insult to someone

And every post you make is an insult to our intelligence.

[chaddyrovers]

And every post you make is an insult to our intelligence.

More insults as per ususl.

Really dont know why you come on here. All you do is start and finish with insults and nothing to do with Rovers and games.

Time to ignored you now. Best for the messageboard

[blue kiwi]

Until you actually know why Venkys are here it is impossible to know what will persuade them to leave. Clearly protests have little impact on them, just as Charlton, Coventry, Blackpool and Leeds, despite protests, are still owned by folk the fans would like to see leave - although I suspect Leeds fans are rapidly changing their minds. I've not met anyone happy with the way the club is run but many believe that whatever happens in Blackburn has little or no impact in Pune. Is it pride? Is it because they won't admit defeat? Are they convinced they can turn it around? Do they honestly believe they can get the club into the Premier League and make money as a result? Are they content with the way things are and allowing the club to find its own level? There are so many questions and until the answers are known I honestly don't believe that anyone is going make an impact on them. As much of the debt is owed to them I don't see them putting it in administration and writing off that debt. Whilst the motives of some of those who have surrounded them in the past six years might be questionable I find the actual Rao family and their motives rather more complex. The work they do with the poor in Pune suggests that they have a social responsibility to others, as the gift to the Cathedral would also suggest. Sadly when it comes to running a football club they appear clueless. If protests work then Charlton, Coventry, Blackpool and Leeds would all have been under new ownership long ago. I've long held the view that Venky's will only leave when THEY decide it's time to go and when they do I fully expect them to sell to someone from abroad. I can fully understand the motivations behind those boycotting and protesting and for many it is a principled stance. However, personally, the folk who I know who still go to games won't join in because they believe it's ultimately a futile exercise and would prefer to do what they have always done which is support the team. I know the concept of supporting through 'thick and thin' is not a popular one on this forum but it is a principle I have held all my life and still continue to do so. Ultimately both protesters and those still supporting are doing so because of a principled view that they hold. Apologies for taking this off topic but blue kiwi asked a question which I hope I have answered for him.

cheers pb

[philipl]

Agree with every word Paul. It was the most composed performance we have given in a long while. After the second goal it really was game over.

We were playing opposition of our level.

[Amo]

More insults as per ususl.

Really dont know why you come on here. All you do is start and finish with insults and nothing to do with Rovers and games.

This might come as a shock to you, chaddy, but this club is dying on its arse.

[Parsonblue]

We were playing opposition of our level.

Philip, I witnessed a top First Division side getting whipped 5-1 by Workington at Ewood. I'll take whatever win I can get in the Cup competitions.

[Neal]

Agree with every word Paul. It was the most composed performance we have given in a long while. After the second goal it really was game over.

You'll both have more of it to look forward to when we're in league 2.

[Amo]

You'll both have more of it to look forward to when we're in league 2.

Don't softball him.

Parson's seen it all, maaaaan. He'll be there through thick and thin. WILL YOU?

[Parsonblue]

Don't softball him.

Parson's seen it all, maaaaan. He'll be there through thick and thin. WILL YOU?

At least we know you won't be there no matter who the owners are.

[Crimpshrine]

Until you actually know why Venkys are here it is impossible to know what will persuade them to leave. Clearly protests have little impact on them, just as Charlton, Coventry, Blackpool and Leeds, despite protests, are still owned by folk the fans would like to see leave - although I suspect Leeds fans are rapidly changing their minds. I've not met anyone happy with the way the club is run but many believe that whatever happens in Blackburn has little or no impact in Pune. Is it pride? Is it because they won't admit defeat? Are they convinced they can turn it around? Do they honestly believe they can get the club into the Premier League and make money as a result? Are they content with the way things are and allowing the club to find its own level? There are so many questions and until the answers are known I honestly don't believe that anyone is going make an impact on them. As much of the debt is owed to them I don't see them putting it in administration and writing off that debt. Whilst the motives of some of those who have surrounded them in the past six years might be questionable I find the actual Rao family and their motives rather more complex. The work they do with the poor in Pune suggests that they have a social responsibility to others, as the gift to the Cathedral would also suggest. Sadly when it comes to running a football club they appear clueless. If protests work then Charlton, Coventry, Blackpool and Leeds would all have been under new ownership long ago. I've long held the view that Venky's will only leave when THEY decide it's time to go and when they do I fully expect them to sell to someone from abroad. I can fully understand the motivations behind those boycotting and protesting and for many it is a principled stance. However, personally, the folk who I know who still go to games won't join in because they believe it's ultimately a futile exercise and would prefer to do what they have always done which is support the team. I know the concept of supporting through 'thick and thin' is not a popular one on this forum but it is a principle I have held all my life and still continue to do so. Ultimately both protesters and those still supporting are doing so because of a principled view that they hold. Apologies for taking this off topic but blue kiwi asked a question which I hope I have answered for him.

Agree with most of what you say and fully appreciate your position.

Just to 'debate' the subject further however, I think the protests are far from futile.

You state your opinion that 'Venky's will only go when THEY decide it's time to go'. Maybe we can nudge them closer to making that decision.

If people keep attending matches because they BELIEVE the protests won't achieve anything then that is a self fulfilling situation.

If, just for one match, we had an empty stadium, Venky's would be affected, financially at least, and the protests would not be futile.

This, of course, will never happen but it's my argument to people who say they would protest 'if it would make a difference'. - It really could if everyone was on board.

[47er]

Dont judge me as you dont know me. I have been very public on my thoughts on Venkys and I want them gone as much as you. Kamy and PeteD can back this up.

But like I keep saying the protests will have very little/zero impact on the owners. They will leave when they decided. Nothing I can do to impact this. So I will keep supporting the team on the pitch and remain a season ticket holder. I will support my team through the good and bad times. I know you probably wont like my post but its my view and I wont be changimg it cos of your post. So either respect it or move on.

I thought Mark Fish post on here were great and full on passion and lots of good logical points

I have never met you but I know what to make of you in regards to Venkys. You do not want Venkys out to an extent which involves any inconvenience to yourself.

You might approve of Mark Fish's post but nothing of his commitment has rubbed off on you.

[Blue blood]

Agree with most of what you say and fully appreciate your position.

Just to 'debate' the subject further however, I think the protests are far from futile.

You state your opinion that 'Venky's will only go when THEY decide it's time to go'. Maybe we can nudge them closer to making that decision.

If people keep attending matches because they BELIEVE the protests won't achieve anything then that is a self fulfilling situation.

If, just for one match, we had an empty stadium, Venky's would be affected, financially at least, and the protests would not be futile.

This, of course, will never happen but it's my argument to people who say they would protest 'if it would make a difference'. - It really could if everyone was on board.

That's not what Parson, Chaddy and the rest want to hear.

Tbh if they truly wanted Venkys out and doubted the effectiveness of protests they should do a protest/single match boycott and see if it has any effect. (I'm not suggesting one match boycott would force them out, but probably would force a response, showing it is having an effect.) Currently for that group of people it's like saying the gym doesn't work to get fit, yet only trying it for 15 minutes - hardly a proper session, and as you say, a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You'd have thought they'd probably want to prove protests don't work, to get protesters back on side, and proving a united protest doesn't work surely would give them the evidence for that. However, I suspect, that they aren't interested in that, or fear it might have an effect and can't see past not attending.

FWIW I actually think they're right in terms of effectiveness - the protests will have no effect, simply because Venkys aren't here for any sort of gain. They're still here imo because they're hiding a lot of skeletons under the floorboards, and cannot afford to sell. Which means we won't see any investment or see them leave.

Whether protesting is wrong on a moral level, regardless of effectiveness - that's another story.Just because a fight isn't going to be won, doesn't necessarily mean it's not worth fighting.