[Archived] Election called for 8th June

[JBiz]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40069110

"Other commitments to sport in the Labour manifesto include legislating to allow supporters' trusts to appoint football club directors and pushing clubs to improve access for fans with disabilities"

Something Rovers fans should be able to get behind! 

[dave birch]

1 hour ago, Biz said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40069110

"Other commitments to sport in the Labour manifesto include legislating to allow supporters' trusts to appoint football club directors and pushing clubs to improve access for fans with disabilities"

Something Rovers fans should be able to get behind! 

So, as an owner, you've just stumped up xxxxmilion pounds for a club and the local trust says we want to appoint a board member.

1. the owner may let them.

2. The owner won't let them have a controlling influence.

Wold you allow someone without get control of your finances?

[JBiz]

Just now, dave birch said:

So, as an owner, you've just stumped up xxxxmilion pounds for a club and the local trust says we want to appoint a board member.

1. the owner may let them.

2. The owner won't let them have a controlling influence.

Wold you allow someone without get control of your finances?

Spectacularly missed the point DB. It's not about controlling influence, it's about a voice for the supporters within the club. In our case it would've opened the door for communication potentially, and in others it might prevent agents ripping off billionaires - one guaranteed "fan" on the board could've brought a few of the gravy train brigade at Ewood to the public eye quicker.

[dave birch]

Just now, Biz said:

Spectacularly missed the point DB. It's not about controlling influence, it's about a voice for the supporters within the club. In our case it would've opened the door for communication potentially, and in others it might prevent agents ripping off billionaires - one guaranteed "fan" on the board could've brought a few of the gravy train brigade at Ewood to the public eye quicker.

"Spectacularly" missed no point Biz, and it is about "controlling influence".

An owner may let a "voice" on the board, but as a business person they wouldn't want to let too much get outside of the boardroom. There'd be too much at stake, if that "supporters director" disagreed with the majority.

I'm talking about potential buys/sells, directions etc. Dangerous, to say the least.

Like I said, would you let someone without get control of your finances(business)?

[JBiz]

Just now, dave birch said:

"Spectacularly" missed no point Biz, and it is about "controlling influence".

An owner may let a "voice" on the board, but as a business person they wouldn't want to let too much get outside of the boardroom. There'd be too much at stake, if that "supporters director" disagreed with the majority.

I'm talking about potential buys/sells, directions etc. Dangerous, to say the least.

Like I said, would you let someone without get control of your finances(business)?

Football isn't standard business, so the question you're asking me makes no sense. A director who has a say/vote in club decisions whose voted by fans? What's "dangerous" about that?

Let me just reevaluate- you're against local bodies/trusts/fans having a say on their football clubs that could prevent future examples of what's happened to us through a change of ownership?

 

[dave birch]

Just now, Biz said:

 

Let me just reevaluate- you're against local bodies/trusts/fans having a say on their football clubs that could prevent future examples of what's happened to us through a change of ownership?

 

Can you point out to me where I said that?

[JBiz]

Just now, dave birch said:

Can you point out to me where I said that?

 

Just now, dave birch said:

"Spectacularly" missed no point Biz, and it is about "controlling influence".

An owner may let a "voice" on the board, but as a business person they wouldn't want to let too much get outside of the boardroom. There'd be too much at stake, if that "supporters director" disagreed with the majority.

I'm talking about potential buys/sells, directions etc. Dangerous, to say the least.

Like I said, would you let someone without get control of your finances(business)?

If that's not what you meant, what do you mean? 

[dave birch]

Just now, Biz said:

 

If that's not what you meant, what do you mean? 

Any business person is not going to let any "outsider" to influence, manipulate, any board decisions by leaking what should be private board discussions that should remain in confidence.

Just to clarify my position on Trusts. They should always be the controlling interest in the running of any club (50%+1). They carry the club's history on their back, something that should never ever be discarded.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I would expect any honourable supporter elected member of the board to resign and spill the beans the minute any underhand or plain illegal dealings were discovered. Obviously in the normal course of events board room confidentiality would be expected to be maintained.

Do you think the  events at Ewood would have occurred if the supporters would have had a member of the board ?

[JBiz]

8 minutes ago, dave birch said:

Any business person is not going to let any "outsider" to influence, manipulate, any board decisions by leaking what should be private board discussions that should remain in confidence.

Just to clarify my position on Trusts. They should always be the controlling interest in the running of any club (50%+1). They carry the club's history on their back, something that should never ever be discarded.

I'm not particularly bothered about the businessmens interest to be frank, I'm bothered about what's best for the club in terms of competing, not feeding conflicts of interest.

What better way to get the fans interests across to those who own the club? 

The german model that you speak of is a different discussion, it would take some serious research to get my head round whether it would be applicable here.

[chaddyrovers]

On ‎26‎/‎05‎/‎2017 at 15:59, Mike E said:

Actually, we can substantially increase Corporation tax and still be cheaper than most European countries.

over 2 millions jobs was created since 2010

On ‎26‎/‎05‎/‎2017 at 16:12, jim mk2 said:

Wrong question.

Do people want less taxes, austerity and poor public services, or do they want higher taxes and good public services.

It depends on the sort of country you want to live in. My vote is for the latter.

 

 

I want a country were people have jobs and keep as much of their wage/salary and spend on their needs. whether it supporting their kids or buying a house or doing activities. I also want to see a Good NHS system and Education system for our kids to their can achieve their potential. Plus I want a PM who will be strong on defence and national security issues and not be weak against Terror and extremism groups. Also be tough with the EU during the Brexit negotiations

 

8 hours ago, Phil T said:

Under Labour, only those earning £80k+ will be subjected to tax rises. Other than that, things stay as they are. Labour will use that money to invest in essential services, and reverse cutbacks.

 

 

80k is a lot of money?

8 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I agree, how long would be long enough before the election campaigning could  restart ? We needed to get the democratic show back on the road.  Corbyn was quite right to point out that as long as we're bombing and arming repressive regimes in the Middle East we're not making any friends with the populations of these countries both away and at home. Nobodies excusing these atrocities we're just trying to make some sense as to why they're happening.

The election campaigning should have started on Monday and not before.

From Greater Manchester newly elected mayor Andy Burnham

said he did not agree with Corbyn’s interpretation of the influence of foreign policy on terrorism. “I have a different view to Jeremy on this,” he told TalkRadio. “9/11 happened before any interventions overseas, and the ideology was in existence before that … The people who committed this appalling act are responsible for it, 100%.”

Burnham said radical Islamists had “used things” to justify violence. “We didn’t create it. [There’s] a tendency to blame governments for everything, and I don’t think we should"

Totally agree with Andy Burnham's comments and maybe Labour would have been a different party if they had voted for him.

we do have friends in the middle East like Israel, Saudi Arabia and UAE. many people have tried to make a peace deal in the middle East cos the countries over there don't want one. Plus lets not forgot what some leaders have done to their own people of their countries

In the interview with Neil, Corbyn was repeatedly questioned over his past association with the IRA, though he denied he had ever supported the movement and distanced himself again from supportive comments made by key allies John McDonnell and Diane Abbott.

“I never met the IRA,” he said. “I obviously did meet people from Sinn Féin as indeed I met people from other organisations, and I always made the point that there had to be a dialogue and a peace process.”

Corbyn’s response to the 9/11 attacks of 2001 in America, in which nearly 3,000 people died, was another classic piece of ultra-left hand-wringing.

Writing in Socialist Campaign Group News, he noted that ‘many people in the Middle East and Afghanistan’ felt ‘some degree of support’ for Osama Bin Laden and ‘his murderous methods’.

Rather than condemn such views, he argued (in a line of logic he pursued yesterday) that America and the UK were at fault — with their support for ‘Israel’s occupation of Palestine’ and ‘the unbelievable poverty and misery in Afghanistan’.

At least 13 times since 9/11, he has tried to stop the implementation of laws designed to prevent terror attacks.

And two years ago, he warned against treating Britons who travel to join ISIS in Syria as terrorists, claiming that this was a ‘value judgment’.

This is also a man who, for all yesterday’s bluster about national security, has often undermined the police force — sometimes in highly offensive terms.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4546912/Corbyn-shameless-apologist-world-s-men-evil.html#ixzz4iIdFKppd
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So my question today, Do people think Corbyn is fit to be the Prime Minister of this country or even Labour leader? if you do, Then I disagree in the most strongest terms

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Andy Burnham would say that wouldn't he ? He's got a constituency to look after and voters to please.

He'd be a disaster as a Labour leader, he's just a plastic Tony Blair only not as cunning. I'm a Labour voter and I'd vote for him out a sense of loyalty but would I actively campaign for him ? Not a chance.

Our " friends " in the Middle East you name are part of the reason the rest of the Middle East is in uproar. 

As for the rest of it - what paper did you copy that out from ?  I can tell you didn't write that because it's not full of your usual grammatical errors and basic spelling mistakes.

 

 

[DE.]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Andy Burnham would say that wouldn't he ? He's got a constituency to look after and voters to please.

He'd be a disaster as a Labour leader, he's just a plastic Tony Blair only not as cunning. I'm a Labour voter and I'd vote for him out a sense of loyalty but would I actively campaign for him ? Not a chance.

Our " friends " in the Middle East you name are part of the reason the rest of the Middle East is in uproar. 

As for the rest of it - what paper did you copy that out from ?  I can tell you didn't write that because it's not full of your usual grammatical errors and basic spelling mistakes.

Daily Mail, there's a link at the bottom.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Andy Burnham would say that wouldn't he ? He's got a constituency to look after and voters to please.

He'd be a disaster as a Labour leader, he's just a plastic Tony Blair only not as cunning. I'm a Labour voter and I'd vote for him out a sense of loyalty but would I actively campaign for him ? Not a chance.

Our " friends " in the Middle East you name are part of the reason the rest of the Middle East is in uproar. 

As for the rest of it - what paper did you copy that out from ?  I can tell you didn't write that because it's not full of your usual grammatical errors and basic spelling mistakes.

 

 

I provided a link at the bottom of the post.

You will never pleased every country in the middle east

Tony Blair was a brilliant PM.

Noticed you don't try to defend Corbyn's past comments about terror and extremism groups tho

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I provided a link at the bottom of the post.

You will never pleased every country in the middle east

Tony Blair was a brilliant PM.

Noticed you don't try to defend Corbyn's past comments about terror and extremism groups tho

You probably won't have read it in the Daily Mail but Tory Governments were talking to the IRA for a large part of the " Troubles ". From my point of view that was the only sensible approach. I'm older than you but I can remember lots of terrorist campaigns being waged against us Brits from the Communists in Malaya ,  Mau Mau in Kenya, EOKA in Cypus , etc. Coming up to date with the Taliban in Afghanistan We ended up talking to most of them and doing a deal with all of them in the end. Corbyn realised you need to get on the right side of these people and ultimately do a deal with them.

Tony Blair was brilliant for Tony Blair. The Labour Party is still recovering from the damage he did.

On another issue please accept my apology regarding your difficulties with the English language. I know you have issues and there's not much you can do about them. It was beneath me to belittle your efforts.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

 

Tony Blair was brilliant for Tony Blair. The Labour Party is still recovering from the damage he did.

On another issue please accept my apology regarding your difficulties with the English language. I know you have issues and there's not much you can do about them. It was beneath me to belittle your efforts.

Apology accepted.

On Blair, he was the Best leader you had since the 90's. 

Brown, Ed Millband and Corbyn were/are massive mistakes and took your party backwards. 

David Millband was your best chance to beat Cameron at the 2015 election and instead Labour voted for Ed. 

Also think Hillary Benn would be great leader. Strong on defence aswell

[Mike E]

Re: the above, 9/11 had many of its roots from the gulf conflict in the early 90s, didn't it?

[chaddyrovers]

Theresa May’s ‘strong’ handling of the terror crisis has put her back on track for a strong lead in General Election, poll reveals

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3666236/theresa-may-terror-crisis-general-election-poll-lead/

[blueboy3333]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Theresa May’s ‘strong’ handling of the terror crisis has put her back on track for a strong lead in General Election, poll reveals

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3666236/theresa-may-terror-crisis-general-election-poll-lead/

Strong and stable

[jim mk2]

6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

I want a country were people have jobs and keep as much of their wage/salary and spend on their needs. whether it supporting their kids or buying a house or doing activities. I also want to see a Good NHS system and Education system for our kids to their can achieve their potential. Plus I want a PM who will be strong on defence and national security issues and not be weak against Terror and extremism groups. Also be tough with the EU during the Brexit negotiations

 

If you want a good NHS and education system don't vote Tory. Good public services cost money, which means higher taxes. You can't have it both ways.

"Strong" on defence and security is straight from the Tory propaganda machine songbook. It's meaningless.

We're heading for a hard Brexit under May. That'll be tough on your family because we will all be poorer

 

[Paul]

Chaddy I admire you for continuing to argue your point in here with, I think, no support from other posters with similar views. 

I do have to say your wish list fe decent wages, the NHS, education etc. is not going to happen under the Conservatives. I don't know your life at all but I do have a lot of experience of how seven years of austerity have hammered the poor, the disadvantaged, the disabled and now they are coming for the rest of us.

If we want a decent NHS it must be paid for by you and me. Don't underestimate the costs. I've spent the last week supporting someone having hip replacement at Wrightington. A world leading hospital and a world reknowned surgeon. I was there 24 hours a day for 4 days. The facilities, standards, staff are outstanding. The care level is about one staff member to three patients - under some circumstances it's very close to one to one. 

Have you any idea what this costs? That's the choice vote for the security of the finest healthcare system in the world - or vote Tory. 

If you really want the things you've posted about in recent weeks you're making the wrong choices.

The country needs massive capital investment, especially in the north.

Just ask yourself how is all of this to be paid for? It's our country and you, me and every individual has to pay a fair share. Under the Tories there simply will not be tax equality, you will be hit proportionally harder, you will be poorer under Brexit, you and your family will pay the price.

It's a simple choice equality or Tory. Up to you. 

[Batman.]

8 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Theresa May’s ‘strong’ handling of the terror crisis has put her back on track for a strong lead in General Election, poll reveals

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3666236/theresa-may-terror-crisis-general-election-poll-lead/

Chaddy, The Daily Heil and The Scum are not quotable references I'm afraid.

Propaganda machines, doing everything they can to ensure general public feel exactly how they want them to.

The reality is that the polls continue to close, and although TheConservatives should win, a large majority is looking more and more unlikely.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

10 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Apology accepted.

On Blair, he was the Best leader you had since the 90's. 

Brown, Ed Millband and Corbyn were/are massive mistakes and took your party backwards. 

David Millband was your best chance to beat Cameron at the 2015 election and instead Labour voted for Ed. 

Also think Hillary Benn would be great leader. Strong on defence aswell

Labour Party activists left the Party in droves during the Blair years. Without the activists come election time you're struggling to get the vote out. David Milliband - a Blair clone, Hilary Benn not much better. No point Labour getting elected to carry out Tory policies. Win, lose or draw Corbyn has moved the current political debate to the left. The nation by and large wants an end to this downward spiral to the bottom. The Labour policies are popular with the electorate. Unfortunately the media has successfully demonised Corbyn to the point of parody. They've been aided in this by the Blairite wing of the Labour Party who resent their historical control of the Party being questioned.

Most intelligent Tories realise things need to change but the current tiny gang that are running the show aren't over blessed with intelligence. If they do get back in and carry on with the current policies they're in for a rough ride.

We've all seen that the minute May has to think on her feet instead of reading from a script she's very flaky.

" Weak And Wobbly " 

 

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Labour Party activists left the Party in droves during the Blair years. Without the activists come election time you're struggling to get the vote out. David Milliband - a Blair clone, Hilary Benn not much better. No point Labour getting elected to carry out Tory policies. Win, lose or draw Corbyn has moved the current political debate to the left. The nation by and large wants an end to this downward spiral to the bottom. The Labour policies are popular with the electorate. Unfortunately the media has successfully demonised Corbyn to the point of parody. They've been aided in this by the Blairite wing of the Labour Party who resent their historical control of the Party being questioned.

 

 

We will have to agree to disagree. 

If your party had a proper leader like Millband or Benn then I would have a choice to make. With Corbyn in charge I wouldnt consider change my vote at all. 

Corbyn is all about the unions and having people like Diane Abbott in his shadow cabinet. Plus the role of Len McCluskey has to be questioned for me. 

Blair did alot of good for this country. Last night started reading his autobiography. Enjoying it so far

[Guest]

9 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Theresa May’s ‘strong’ handling of the terror crisis has put her back on track for a strong lead in General Election, poll reveals

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3666236/theresa-may-terror-crisis-general-election-poll-lead/

It's interesting to see how they take a poll of their own readers and then proceed to write "The nation wants...". No! The Sun readers want...!

If there's anything that The Sun is good at, it's celebrity gossip. They should really stick to that instead of doctoring what the nation politically wants.