[Archived] Election called for 8th June

[Speedie Dived]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Corbyn and Abbott running the security for our country would be pathetic. weak on laws, security and terrorists groups.

Corbyn thinks peace is the way well it isn't when these people don't like our way of life, our freedom or our democracy.

Time for us to show our power and force by getting tougher on deportation rights, get rid of human rights and replacing it with UK Bills of rights, More strict Internet security and companies allow these extremist talks on the websites and tighting our borders security.

You literally have no idea what you are talking about.

How do you deport people born here?

Tighter internet security? 

Why on earth are you wanting to get rid of the human rights act?

[DE.]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-internet-regulated-london-bridge-terror-attack-google-facebook-whatsapp-borough-security-a7771896.html

Somebody needs to explain the concept of TOR and VPN's to this foolish woman.

[Baz]

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Just now, Hasta said:

I'm completely against police cuts in the current climate.

However you could have an extra 100,000 police but if three lunatics want to drive a van into people and then stab them it will still happen. Despite increased counter-terrorism spending, including an extra £550 million a year from 2005, it appears these three were not known to intelligence.

You can't say that the police cuts have 'caused terrorism' when most of the terrorist attacks  that have been stopped are stopped through intelligence / counter terrorism forces rather than police.

I don't think people are saying it caused, just increased the risk.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Baz said:

Perhaps terrorists have got away with it for years because the home secretary was cutting police?

I'm talking since the 90's and over 20 years that we have allowed these terrorist and extremist groups to grow

Just now, Batman. said:

Care to go into more depth Chaddy? I'd hate for people to think that you have no idea what any of that means beyond being "tough sounding" soundbites.

More jail times for extremist actions or preaching

More internet security and companies- Social media websites shutting down extremism pages, groups, Videos or chats much quickly, Companies reporting to the police, Not allowing people to create fake account, Twitter and Facebook allow British security services greater access to their networks,

Border security- stop people from entering the country who are suspect from coming from extremist and terror groups and places, doing full investigate in suspect people, Increasing the Funding for Border security and internet security plus Counter terrorism funding.

Deportation- People who are know as Extremist or link to terror groups should be deport back their country of birth or birth of their parent if found guilty of terror or extremist offences

Just now, jim mk2 said:

 

In November 2015 Jeremy Corbyn said of May's cuts to the police service:  "By pressing ahead with these cuts the government is failing in its most basic duty – to protect our citizens. The planned cuts pose a direct threat to the security of our own people

Corbyn could clearly see that the Tories were putting their zealous austerity fanaticism above public safety, and he spoke out, but yet again the political establishment wouldn't listen. They were far too ideologically blinded by their fanatical austerity dogma to care.

Corbyn the visionary? should put it on a bumper sticker.

The same Corbyn who voted against anti terror legislation 9 times? wonder who?

keep promote peace all he wants but these terror groups don't belief in our way of life, freedom or democracy Only Force and Powerr will only work and win!

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

If the ordinary bobbies aren't there they've no chance of learning anything.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I'm talking since the 90's and over 20 years that we have allowed these terrorist and extremist groups to grow

More jail times for extremist actions or preaching

More internet security and companies- Social media websites shutting down extremism pages, groups, Videos or chats much quickly, Companies reporting to the police, Not allowing people to create fake account, Twitter and Facebook allow British security services greater access to their networks,

Border security- stop people from entering the country who are suspect from coming from extremist and terror groups and places, doing full investigate in suspect people, Increasing the Funding for Border security and internet security plus Counter terrorism funding.

Deportation- People who are know as Extremist or link to terror groups should be deport back their country of birth or birth of their parent if found guilty of terror or extremist offences

Corbyn the visionary? should put it on a bumper sticker.

The same Corbyn who voted against anti terror legislation 9 times? wonder who?

keep promote peace all he wants but these terror groups don't belief in our way of life, freedom or democracy Only Force and Powerr will only work and win!

Where did you get the last sentence from Chaddy ? " Mein Kampf " ? Or is it a Trumpism ?

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Speedie Dived said:

 

How do you deport people born here?

Tighter internet security? 

Why on earth are you wanting to get rid of the human rights act?

People who are born here and who parents are born here would go to jail on long jail sentences

Tighter internet security was explained in previous post

Human rights act need to be axed and replace it with UK bills of rights.

The Human rights act stop us from deport people like Muslim cleric Abu Hamza in the past. Plus what is good about a Human Rights Act that gives comfort to extremists/country's enemies and puts its law-abiding citizens in the way of harm

Here is an excellent article wriiten in 2015 by Allison Pearson

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11602222/Allison-Pearson-We-must-get-rid-of-the-dreadful-Human-Rights-Act.html

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Where did you get the last sentence from Chaddy ? " Mein Kampf " ? Or is it a Trumpism ?

from me.

 

[Hasta]

Just now, den said:

Well firstly, no one HAS said that police cuts have caused terrorism. Secondly, are you saying that potential terrorists are never picked up by ordinary bobbys involved in their communities? 

Jim said that Corbyn had said it increased the risk and now he has been 'proven right.'

He's only right if it has caused the action. Otherwise you can't use what happened last night to say it 'proved Corbyn right'. 

As I say, there could have been 100,000 extra police on duty and it could still have happened.

For the second point, I was referring specifically to the 5 serious terrorist incidents that have reported to have been averted between the Westminster attack and Manchester. Sorry, I should expand more rather than rapid-posting.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Allison Pearson. Another dog breath who started out on the left but sold out for the Tories shilling. I wonder how they sleep at night ?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

100,000 extra coppers might have got wind of these three lunatics before it was too late.

[Baz]

 Corbyn has said:

You cannot protect the public on the cheap. Police and security services must get the resources they need, not 20,000 police cuts.

We need to have difficult conversations, starting with Saudi and other Gulf states that have funded, fuelled extremist ideologies.

 

I can't see anyone would have a problem with that, would they?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, Baz said:

 Corbyn has said:

You cannot protect the public on the cheap. Police and security services must get the resources they need, not 20,000 police cuts.

We need to have difficult conversations, starting with Saudi and other Gulf states that have funded, fuelled extremist ideologies.

 

I can't see anyone would have a problem with that, would they?

Yeah, the difficult conversations May mentioned should be with the Saudis. Will that happen ? They'll get a severe letting off.

[Hasta]

Just now, Baz said:

 Corbyn has said:

You cannot protect the public on the cheap. Police and security services must get the resources they need, not 20,000 police cuts.

We need to have difficult conversations, starting with Saudi and other Gulf states that have funded, fuelled extremist ideologies.

 

I can't see anyone would have a problem with that, would they?

Not at all.

[den]

Theresa May's pathetic attempt to answer a simple question about whether she would cut police numbers.....

So what was the answer?

[JAL]

2 hours ago, den said:

Theresa May's pathetic attempt to answer a simple question about whether she would cut police numbers.....

So what was the answer?

What message is her big chains conveying to us all ?

[Husky]

1 hour ago, den said:

Theresa May's pathetic attempt to answer a simple question about whether she would cut police numbers.....

So what was the answer?

What a weak leader. One might say a terrorists dream.

Surely only ISIS sympathisers and those that profit from Saudi money and the arms industry are going to vote for that?

[Guest]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

The same Corbyn who voted against anti terror legislation 9 times? wonder who?

keep promote peace all he wants but these terror groups don't belief in our way of life, freedom or democracy Only Force and Powerr will only work and win!

Is that why you're voting for the party who have cut the army by 35,000, and the police by 20,000?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, JAL said:

What's her big chains a symbol of ?

Where all the tax breaks are going to.

[Baz]

1 hour ago, den said:

Theresa May's pathetic attempt to answer a simple question about whether she would cut police numbers.....

So what was the answer?

Wibble

[perthblue02]

1 hour ago, JAL said:

What's her big chains a symbol of ?

Going for the hipaty hopity boyz in the  hood vote , innit, respect

[den]

As for that interview above, I'm surprised no ones hit her on the back of the head with a shovel and asked her to try again.

[chaddyrovers]

Our Nowcast for 04 June:

Con: 354 (+24)
Lab: 214 (-18)
SNP: 47 (-9)
LDem: 12 (+4)

Read more (& probabilities): https://t.co/MlYKM1LC7q https://t.co/D8tbuSBikl

[Baz]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Our Nowcast for 04 June:

Con: 354 (+24)
Lab: 214 (-18)
SNP: 47 (-9)
LDem: 12 (+4)

Read more (& probabilities): https://t.co/MlYKM1LC7q https://t.co/D8tbuSBikl

Their poll of polls is perhaps more revealing: http://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/

Most recent polls showing a small Tory majority.

[Baz]

Amber Rudd instructing the chair at her hustings to stop the opposition speaking