[Archived] Election called for 8th June

[JBiz]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I'm quoting the right figures as these are correct figures. You were saying it was 5  or 6 of GDP when actually it was 9.9%

I guess we will see. Other countries will look at Britain and want to follow us.

Ive took the quiz and I agree with 72% of conservatives

 

Up all night trying to get 80%? Haha out of interest what others did you get 

[Mike E]

78% LibDems. I'd feel better about that if it wasn't Tim Farron tbh...

[broadsword]

31 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I guess we will see. Other countries will look at Britain and want to follow us.

 

Jesus, yeah, they'll be queueing up around the block to jump into a financial black hole.

[den]

8 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Tories are polling 48% Labour at 24%

https://www.fxstreet.com/news/uk-times-yougov-poll-apr-18-19-conservatives-48-labour-24-201704192126#utm_source=tco&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=fxstreetnews

JBizzle, yes it an Academy. Are these the future? Its down to all parents to decide. 

Den, on Whether all 46 million people who could vote. If people didnt vote that isnt my fault. I only voted. I believe its right thing to do. The majority of the people who voted for Brexit. The vote is done. People who voted should be respect and lets get on with leaving the EU. I think there will be other countries in the next 10 years who will the EU.

Baz, I would support any small tax increase if it to be spend on Health or Education sectors but no MP will mention tax increase on the working class during this election

You said more than half of the country want brexit Chaddy. Actually, c25% of the country* voted for it. 38% of the electorate.

 

* your words Chaddy seeing that you're into quoting figures.

[Batman.]

9 hours ago, J*B said:

I thought that the new forum would ruin ICBINF. Turns out I was completely wrong. A snap general election and the introduction of Chaddy? Gold. I love it. This thread could well become history making. 

It's like when Hairy Hands Keys and 50 Shades of Andy Gray left Sky, we all thought it was game over. The snap election/ Chaddy combo is very much the Nev and Carra we needed to keep it lively whilst civil.

[Glenn]

That tactical voting spreadsheet I mentioned earlier - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19_yf4RL133fBKscvSbID4eRKwztzY9KSI_2BMaI1bU8/htmlview#gid=0

[The Gull]

1 hour ago, Mike E said:

78% LibDems. I'd feel better about that if it wasn't Tim Farron tbh...

82% Labour

78% Lib Dems

down to 

44% Tories

42% British National

36% UKIP

But disappointed I agree with so much of the drivel at the bottom!

[Biddy]

9 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

JBizzle, yes it an Academy. Are these the future? Its down to all parents to decide. 

 

Is it?  I believe the government are bringing in Academies by stealth.  They had to back down on the overwhelmingly unpopular decision to force all schools to become academies to instead do it without anyone noticing.

Our local school just had its 2nd ofsted at "requires improvement". Because of that it has been forced into "special measures" which now means it HAS to be taken over by an academy.  No choice, no parents consultation, it will be academised.

Likewise, our other village schools are looking at joining an academy as the per pupil funding is reducing and within the next 2 years will start running a deficit.  Therefore, they again have no real option but to try and join an Academy structure.

[onlyonetugay]

15 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

.....compared to the Tories who under their watch has seen the introduction of zero-hours contracts and the "gig" economy - otherwise known as another way of shafting working people as hard as possible,

You're like one of those tricky left wingers who comes back to help his defence and in his attempt to clear  miskicks  to the centre forward who then scores from close range ! 

Zero hours contracts - you mean the ones that Unite the Union used ?  https://www.12kbw.co.uk/labours-biggest-union-donor-used-zero-hour-contracts/

Zero hours contracts - the ones that Labour pledged to eradicate but .................http://www.libdems.org.uk/labour-20-year-old-promise-on-zero-hours-contracts#

So thanks for that ,  we'll add the Labour administration between 1997 to 2010 to Harriot Harperson , Dianne Abbott , Lady Nugee , Shami Chakrabati  et al 

The party of hypocrites ( and their Union backers)  that have been oppressing the  working class on zero hours contracts for  years  .

 

 

[Guest]

After saying I do not want to vote for Corbyn...

73% Labour
69% Liberal Democrat
56% Green

Delighted to announce my bottom three are...

39% UKIP
38% Sinn Féin
20% British National (the only party I agree with on 'no major issues')

[jim mk2]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I'm quoting the right figures as these are correct figures. You were saying it was 5  or 6 of GDP when actually it was 9.9%

I guess we will see. Other countries will look at Britain and want to follow us.

 

My figures were wrong but using the right criteria. Your figures are wrong using the wrong criteria. GDP is the correct measure.

The Dutch and Austrian elections gave a huge thumbs down to far right anti-Eu populists. The same will likely happen in forthcoming elections in France and Germany. Other countries are looking at Britain and seeing the chaos and division and are either shaking their heads in dismay and laughing with glee at the damage we are doing to ourselves. Brexit has actually made the EU stronger.

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, Jbizzle said:

Up all night trying to get 80%? Haha out of interest what others did you get 

Haha. Funny guy. 

Think it was 50% UKIP, Labour around 42 and lib dems 34%. Will check when home on laptop

3 hours ago, broadsword said:

Jesus, yeah, they'll be queueing up around the block to jump into a financial black hole.

Dont know how you can say that yet before we exit the EU? we can still have trade with the EU. But we will have a better trade deals with USA, Canada, Brazil, China, Japan. 

3 hours ago, den said:

You said more than half of the country want brexit Chaddy. Actually, c25% of the country* voted for it. 38% of the electorate.

 

* your words Chaddy seeing that you're into quoting figures.

How many people votes in total and the majority voted for out? Is this correct?

If people didnt vote well they should have done

1 hour ago, Biddy said:

 

Our local school just had its 2nd ofsted at "requires improvement". Because of that it has been forced into "special measures" which now means it HAS to be taken over by an academy.  No choice, no parents consultation, it will be academised.

I can only go off my experience. The secondary school my step daughter is going had an excellent ofsted report in 2015. When going to the school on open evening we were impressed by the facilities, teachers and by the head teacher. She will get the help and support she requires. 

[broadsword]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Dont know how you can say that yet before we exit the EU? we can still have trade with the EU. But we will have a better trade deals with USA, Canada, Brazil, China, Japan.

I can say that, because it is obvious that if we are going to leave the EU, we are likely to have to fall back on WTO rules.

How will we have better trade deals with eg USA? Does it just magically happen?

[47er]

23 hours ago, Biddy said:

To be fair, the Beast is a knickname that is used in a good way.  People calling George "Gideon" is just name calling to say "look at the posh git"

And rightly so.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, broadsword said:

I can say that, because it is obvious that if we are going to leave the EU, we are likely to have to fall back on WTO rules.

How will we have better trade deals with eg USA? Does it just magically happen?

Our economy grew at 2.3 last year and second biggest in the G7 I believe. Unemployment rate down to 4.3%. Lowest it been since the 70's

 Trump and Paul Ryan have both said that they eager to do a trade deal with us. 

Arent 97% of our trade covered by WTO Rules with the EU? Sure I heard Andrew Neil from BBC saying this

[Gav]

2 hours ago, onlyonetugay said:

 

The party of hypocrites ( and their Union backers)  that have been oppressing the  working class on zero hours contracts for  years  .

 

 

The Tory party of lies and incompetence, here's just a few and I've not mentioned pasty tax:

How much did Cameron waste with his top down restructure of the NHS? billions.

The chancellor breaks the Tory manifesto pledge and has to be back peddle on NI - get ready for an increase voters.

They're that good on the economy that by 2020 they'll be running a surplus apparently, absolutely no chance, they've borrowed more than Labour ever did and are nowhere near running a surplus, latest projections 2025.

Then we have the single market which they said we'd remain part of it in the manifesto - May said recently “I want to be clear. What I am proposing cannot mean membership of the single market.”

Then we have Camerons pledge to cut net migration to tens of thousands - absolute lies, its currently running at 230,000 a year.

Vote Tory and you deserve everything you get.

[broadsword]

So our economy did well last year,,, nothing to do with us being a member of the largest free trading bloc in the world, then?

Tarriffs aren't paid because we are members of the EU. If we weren't, then our farmers would be hit by 40% tarriffs. This is what will happen if we leave the EU. We won't be allowed to trade freely with them because that makes the whole point of the EU redundant.

[JohnD]

4 hours ago, Jimbo said:

Of course there are, but they aren't generally degree qualified, and who hold people's lives in the balance on a daily basis. 

It's surprising how little pay a degree can command these days but that is a result of dumbing down our education system.

Some degrees are two a penny.

The nurses on the lowest wages have little to do with peoples lives.

My only point is that a nurse's lot isn't a particularly poor one.

[chaddyrovers]

24k a year is a good wage. Thats 461 pounds a week based on 40 hours wage. 11 pounds 52 pence per hour. Sounds like a good wage to me. 

[Gav]

8 minutes ago, JohnD said:

It's surprising how little pay a degree can command these days but that is a result of dumbing down our education system.

Some degrees are two a penny.

The nurses on the lowest wages have little to do with peoples lives.

My only point is that a nurse's lot isn't a particularly poor one.

You quite simply have no idea what you're talking about John, with respect.

 

 

[onlyonetugay]

9 minutes ago, Gav said:

The Tory party of lies and incompetence, here's just a few and I've not mentioned pasty tax:

How much did Cameron waste with his top down restructure of the NHS? billions.

The chancellor breaks the Tory manifesto pledge and has to be back peddle on NI - get ready for an increase voters.

They're that good on the economy that by 2020 they'll be running a surplus apparently, absolutely no chance, they've borrowed more than Labour ever did and are nowhere near running a surplus, latest projections 2025.

Then we have the single market which they said we'd remain part of it in the manifesto - May said recently “I want to be clear. What I am proposing cannot mean membership of the single market.”

Then we have Camerons pledge to cut net migration to tens of thousands - absolute lies, its currently running at 230,000 a year.

Vote Tory and you deserve everything you get.

Yep, you're bang on there  Gavin . As I live in the socialist utopia that is Blackburn  ( unlike most  of the socialists on here)  I'll get that political behemoth that is Kate Hollern , unless they deselect her and stick a red rosette on a sack of potatoes - then I'll get a sack of potatoes . 

[dulwich]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

24k a year is a good wage. Thats 461 pounds a week based on 40 hours wage. 11 pounds 52 pence per hour. Sounds like a good wage to me. 

For a nurse???

[Gav]

2 minutes ago, onlyonetugay said:

Yep, you're bang on there  Gavin . As I live in the socialist utopia that is Blackburn  ( unlike most  of the socialists on here)  I'll get that political behemoth that is Kate Hollern , unless they deselect her and stick a red rosette on a sack of potatoes - then I'll get a sack of potatoes . 

Strong Labour seat, just as all working class towns up and down the country should be.

Sadly we have far to many people with illusions of grandeur thinking they're better than they are and voting Tory after a couple of visits to Northcote and curry in the Ribble Valley.

[JAL]

33 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

24k a year is a good wage. Thats 461 pounds a week based on 40 hours wage. 11 pounds 52 pence per hour. Sounds like a good wage to me. 

If it's a day rate only, then yes, it's good.  

If it's shift work, working nights, bank holidays etc., then not so ...probably a good 5k plus below at the very least for shift disturbance where one working night actually affects two full days and not just the one that you maybe working.

[onlyonetugay]

20 hours ago, only2garners said:

There must be an element of risk in not being prepared to be on the TV debate. I expect that they have decided that she is in such a strong position that she can afford not to risk attending. Undoubtedly it will not be a strong point for her - her strength is in detailed planning and analysis and not in thinking on her feet or being able to make off the cuff quips. But it could rebound if a significant proportion of the public perceives her as being too frightened to be on.

I've just been listening to The Media Show on Radio 4 (you should try it and other BBC programmes onlyonetugay). The clear evidence is that a lot of voters who are not accessing other election news, watch the debates, especially younger voters.

I agree Garns , there is an element of risk not choosing to do one , but there's also an element of risk in choosing to do one . As I said in my earlier piece , they're just a circus to satisfy the media elite. If she did appear, the predicted " Coalition of Chaos " could get a degree of  authenticity . I'd rather the nationalists ( never trust parties that wrap themselves in a flag - very divisive ) , the LibDems , Labour , Greens and whoever else is invited, to argue or agree among themselves . She's going to do a Question Time which in my opinion is much more watchable and where she'll have a much better opportunity to get her message across.  

I do watch the BBC  but I'm dismayed at it's left wing and EU bias - especially as I have no option but to fund it !

 I think we underestimate the younger voters - don't half of them have degrees ( of some sort or another ) ? They should be encouraged to read a manifesto or two - they'd get a lot more useful information than from an  " americanised "  TV debate .