WATR (The Rovers Trust)

[chaddyrovers]

8 hours ago, lraC said:

They certainly were regular posters on here (remember Miller 11?) and know that there is potential amongst the membership on here, to increase their membership.

Given what has been said on here in the past and in particular the announcement that they had issued a vote of no confidence in Pasha, which in turn triggered a meeting with a fan group for the very first time, then that is what i was expecting feedback on.

Would you be posting feedback on a site last this, if you were looking to expand the membership and get some dialogue with the clubs decision makers?

Ok thanks for reply. 

Haven't we had feedback from the Pasha meeting with Mike and Duncan? 

If you looking to expand the membership I would have a stand at Ewood Park every weekend game. Plus on different social media like Rovers Facebook groups or sites like this or others.

 

 

[Upside Down]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Ok thanks for reply. 

Haven't we had feedback from the Pasha meeting with Mike and Duncan? 

If you looking to expand the membership I would have a stand at Ewood Park every weekend game. Plus on different social media like Rovers Facebook groups or sites like this or others.

 

 

Their lack of presence on here is quite frankly, piss poor.

Not sure why Miller stopped posting on here, he was always good value. He got given a load of grief over the trust by some though, quite a bit of it was just plain ignorant and disrespectful.

I appreciate that it can be a thankless task, and there's no way I could be in a room with the disgusting troll and the shadow man for longer than five minutes without gaining a serious criminal record, but there's a distinct lack of interaction with the membership and there's a lot of vagueness around what the actual aims of the trust are.

I'm awaiting to see what they have to say regarding this January Transfer window. We've just been outspent by the mighty Plymouth Argyle while we're in a position to potentially get into the playoffs. In short, it's not fucking good enough.

Edited Thursday at 02:41 by Upside Down

[Mattyblue]

They pretty much stopped posting when WATR sponsorship of this site ran out… some way to manage one of your key stakeholders that.

They literally have their own thread on the biggest Rovers forum and they can’t be arsed posting on it - piss poor comms (presuming they even have a comms plan), where are the membership fees going?
 

[Forever Blue]

Was WATR’s ultimate goal to have fan representation on the Board? A noble endeavour but I’d imagine a fairly thankless task with our absentee owners and yes men administrators at Ewood. 
 

I’m not a member so my opinion probs doesn’t merit much worth, but WATR strike me as an organisation for a different time, like any time pre-2010.  The club is dying on its arse, the owners needed to be booted out, yet WATR seem to think they can influence change and turn Venkys into better owners. It just seems tragically naive. The owners don’t care about the fans, the club, WATR, our heritage or our future. That much is obvious. BRFC are just numbers on a balance sheet to them. 
 

I’m looking forward to a ‘WATR says Venkys Out’ t-shirt in a nod to the ‘Frankie Says Relax’ t-shirts of the 80s. 

[Mattyblue]

I see very little traction over what the Fans Forum provide… but they do have a more formal association structure ‘ co-opted committee members’ and the like, which is nice.

In reality their clout is no different as ‘engagement’ with Waggott and whoever else they drag out of the marketing pod means bugger all as power resides elsewhere.

[SuperBrfc]

7 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Their lack of presence on here is quite frankly, piss poor.

Not sure why Miller stopped posting on here, he was always good value. He got given a load of grief over the trust by some though, quite a bit of it was just plain ignorant and disrespectful.

I appreciate that it can be a thankless task, and there's no way I could be in a room with the disgusting troll and the shadow man for longer than five minutes without gaining a serious criminal record, but there's a distinct lack of interaction with the membership and there's a lot of vagueness around what the actual aims of the trust are.

I'm awaiting to see what they have to say regarding this January Transfer window. We've just been outspent by the mighty Plymouth Argyle while we're in a position to potentially get into the playoffs. In short, it's not fucking good enough.

Miller certainly knows what time it is regarding the owners and their running of the club. He was just as pissed off as most of us on here when he was a regular poster. Same goes for oldjamfan, IMO. Both know what the problems are and what needs to happen.

I suspect they may now be in a tricky position. If you want to continue having dialogue with the hierarchy, you can't be seen to be critical on here. It also depends on what approach the rest of the Trust leadership favours, I suppose. IMO, the 'critical friend' stance is well meant, but futile because those at the top don't give a shit. There is no befriending the enemy. Others have tried to give this lot friendly advice and not got far with it.

I recall the QEGS crew being pretty big on trying to be friendly with the owners and steering them in the right direction. They also hoped for a seat on the Board and one of their gang would often finish his posts on here with "We are the Rovers".

Is the name WATR just a coincidence or are those QEGS individuals involved?

[K-Hod]

1 hour ago, SuperBrfc said:

Miller certainly knows what time it is regarding the owners and their running of the club. He was just as pissed off as most of us on here when he was a regular poster. Same goes for oldjamfan, IMO. Both know what the problems are and what needs to happen.

 

Is the name WATR just a coincidence or are those QEGS individuals involved?

Purely coincidence.

Also echo comments about Miller11- really nice bloke that I know personally.

He absolutely loves Rovers and hates Venky's, to be fair.

[Mike E]

5 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Purely coincidence.

Also echo comments about Miller11- really nice bloke that I know personally.

He absolutely loves Rovers and hates Venky's, to be fair.

Echoed here too.

[den]

5 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Purely coincidence.

Also echo comments about Miller11- really nice bloke that I know personally.

He absolutely loves Rovers and hates Venky's, to be fair.

As is Mike Graham who I’ve known for a while but not seen for a long time now.

[Mattyblue]

Mike’s been on an interesting journey, if we take his posts over the last year or so at face value, he does seem to have done a volte-face on these owners.

[lraC]

12 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Ok thanks for reply. 

Haven't we had feedback from the Pasha meeting with Mike and Duncan? 

If you looking to expand the membership I would have a stand at Ewood Park every weekend game. Plus on different social media like Rovers Facebook groups or sites like this or others.

 

 

No problem, Chaddy,

To my knowledge there has been no feedback, which is poor, if that is indeed the case.

I agree with what you are saying about expanding the membership and do now wonder if this organisation as run it's course.

[lraC]

1 hour ago, K-Hod said:

Purely coincidence.

Also echo comments about Miller11- really nice bloke that I know personally.

He absolutely loves Rovers and hates Venky's, to be fair.

I know Duncan personally too and agree he is a very nice bloke and I have lots to thank him for.

I would hope that something is going on, under the surface and the trust are having to bide their time, but that is pure hope and nothing else, on my part. 

[oldjamfan1]

Just so people know - and I can only speak for myself here - my reduction in recent posting on here is linked to not having enough spare time to post as much through being busy at work and with family issues and absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with WATR. Those who know me in the real world know what my thoughts are, as do the WATR board. Anyway I’m pretty sure you’ll all hear something very soon. 

[wilsdenrover]

1 minute ago, oldjamfan1 said:

Just so people know - and I can only speak for myself here - my reduction in recent posting on here is linked to not having enough spare time to post as much through being busy at work and with family issues and absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with WATR. Those who know me in the real world know what my thoughts are, as do the WATR board. Anyway I’m pretty sure you’ll all hear something very soon. 

A cliffhanger, intriguing…

[1864roverite]

I’ve not been on here for a good while and there is a solid reason for it!

Those who have the temerity to slag people off who do a lot behind the scenes when they themselves do nothing but sit and watch have absolutely no recourse! It’s why people leave sites such as this 🤬

I know Mike G extremely well I know what he does his views and exactly how he feels about everything BRFC . 
 

Their efforts - all voluntary- should be applauded not abused or slated 🤬

[DeeCee]

1 hour ago, 1864roverite said:

I’ve not been on here for a good while and there is a solid reason for it!

Those who have the temerity to slag people off who do a lot behind the scenes when they themselves do nothing but sit and watch have absolutely no recourse! It’s why people leave sites such as this 🤬

I know Mike G extremely well I know what he does his views and exactly how he feels about everything BRFC . 
 

Their efforts - all voluntary- should be applauded not abused or slated 🤬

I get that, sometimes these things go unappreciated but surely there should be some sort of push back towards the regime that's slowly killing us?

I and seemingly several other posters can't see any forward progression regarding positive communication between the club and WATR, never mind the overall fan base, it appears that the Trust are merely an echo chamber for the "happy clappers"?

What about some Critical, instead of Friends?

[Mattyblue]

Oh look here’s 1864 riding back in on his high horse 🙄

I pay my dues, as do many others on here, so if I feel WATR current strategy of ‘friendship’ is the wrong course of action I’ll say so.

Edited Thursday at 19:11 by Mattyblue

[1864roverite]

22 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Oh look here’s 1864 riding back in on his high horse 🙄

I pay my dues, as do many others on here, so if I feel WATR current strategy of ‘friendship’ is the wrong course of action I’ll say so.

And yet, the sites biggest keyboard warrior sits back and flings comments such as this!

Matty,  with your thought process and sniping, why dont you set about organising a committee, meetings and membership, rally the troops, fly the flag, organise a protest or two, get out of your seat and make it happen.

Once you've done that then you can snipe so until you've walked the walk get over it.

[Mattyblue]

The site’s biggest keyboard warrior, aye ok 😅 (obviously he’s still smarting that we called him out after he patronisingly told us how misinformed we all were after his tea and biscuit sessions with Swag - yeah didn’t age well, did it).

Yeah did all that, I am now a member of  WATR, who’s main policy I currently disagree with - and will say so to the committee, presuming I get asked for it at some point.

Edited Thursday at 20:11 by Mattyblue

[chaddyrovers]

7 hours ago, lraC said:

No problem, Chaddy,

To my knowledge there has been no feedback, which is poor, if that is indeed the case.

I agree with what you are saying about expanding the membership and do now wonder if this organisation as run it's course.

 

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

 

I pay my dues, as do many others on here, so if I feel WATR current strategy of ‘friendship’ is the wrong course of action I’ll say so.

So what is the right course?

And what happens if the board members and majority agree the friendship is the right course?

[Mattyblue]

To go back to their founding principle - to call for them to put the club up for sale.

Then that’s democracy (but we’d need to be asked first).

Edited Thursday at 20:31 by Mattyblue

[Upside Down]

48 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

And yet, the sites biggest keyboard warrior sits back and flings comments such as this!

Matty,  with your thought process and sniping, why dont you set about organising a committee, meetings and membership, rally the troops, fly the flag, organise a protest or two, get out of your seat and make it happen.

Once you've done that then you can snipe so until you've walked the walk get over it.

I see you've ridden in here to reprimand people who have an opinion.

The trust takes a fee to join, as paying members people are entitled to their opinion about how things are being done.

Since you've dodged this question every single time someone has asked you, what were the big changes that were promised to you by swag?

[lraC]

2 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

I see you've ridden in here to reprimand people who have an opinion.

The trust takes a fee to join, as paying members people are entitled to their opinion about how things are being done.

Since you've dodged this question every single time someone has asked you, what were the big changes that were promised to you by swag?

He has been made to look a fool by Swag, but simply won’t admit it. 

[Davenport Nice]

4 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

I’ve not been on here for a good while and there is a solid reason for it!

Those who have the temerity to slag people off who do a lot behind the scenes when they themselves do nothing but sit and watch have absolutely no recourse! It’s why people leave sites such as this 🤬

I know Mike G extremely well I know what he does his views and exactly how he feels about everything BRFC . 
 

Their efforts - all voluntary- should be applauded not abused or slated 🤬

Absolutely. It's the same in most voluntary organisations (sports clubs etc). Those who put free time in are the ones who get criticised. It's crazy and ignorant. I'd rather someone who does something to get our club back, even if I don't agree with their methods, than someone who does nothing other than criticise the volunteer.

[chaddyrovers]

57 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

To go back to their founding principle - to call for them to put the club up for sale.

Ok. But given what has happened and they still haven't sold the club, not sure calling for them to sell will have much of effect. Why they haven't sold the club in the past I dont know or stay as owners cos it doesn't make any common sense

57 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Then that’s democracy (but we’d need to be asked first).

I agree there. 

Edited Thursday at 21:31 by chaddyrovers