WATR (The Rovers Trust)

[Mike E]

7 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

I’ve not been on here for a good while and there is a solid reason for it!

Those who have the temerity to slag people off who do a lot behind the scenes when they themselves do nothing but sit and watch have absolutely no recourse! It’s why people leave sites such as this 🤬

I know Mike G extremely well I know what he does his views and exactly how he feels about everything BRFC . 
 

Their efforts - all voluntary- should be applauded not abused or slated 🤬

I do agree, and have stated similar in the past, particularly when I was on the board. HOWEVER. I would also caveat that being on that board means you absolutely MUST be prepared to take criticism from those giving you their money.

[Upside Down]

14 minutes ago, Mike E said:

I do agree, and have stated similar in the past, particularly when I was on the board. HOWEVER. I would also caveat that being on that board means you absolutely MUST be prepared to take criticism from those giving you their money.

There's no doubt that they've received some shit that wasn't deserved but some of the criticisms such as the lack of engagement and poor communication are justified.

They're a bit between a rock and a hard place but these people running the club can't be worked with. The only viable option for the future of this club is their removal.

[RoversClitheroe]

My issue is the lack of comms.

Lack of engagement with the membership and there/my views.

Lack of pressure put on the board during an absolutely horrific January.

Secret meetings that are never communicated about either.

[Davenport Nice]

The chap who writes the fan piece (Ian Herbert) in the Telegraph always strikes me as the type of person who would be good at leading or being influential in a WATR type group.

Articulate, well read, knowledgeable,  logical and calm. He was on a podcast the other week and he echoed pretty much all my thoughts better than I'm able without getting wound up. A lot of my mates think similar.

Edited Friday at 12:43 by Davenport Nice

[den]

As an outsider who’s had nothing to do with the trust, it just appears that their aims - or reasons to exist have become a little lost. Is that fair?  They achieved their initial goal to make Ewood Park an Asset of Community Value (ACV). What next?

Any organisation must have a specific purpose. If they are to continue do they not need to reconsider what they stand for now?

[wilsdenrover]

29 minutes ago, Davenport Nice said:

The chap who writes the fan piece (Ian Herbert) in the Telegraph always strikes me as the type of person who would be good at leading or being influential in a WATR type group.

Articulate, well read, knowledgeable,  logical and calm. He was on a podcast the other week and he echoed pretty much all my thoughts better than I'm able without getting wound up. A lot of my mates think similar.

Are you blushing @Herbie6590?? 

[GHR]

17 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Are you blushing @Herbie6590?? 

Alias account IMO

[Forever Blue]

39 minutes ago, GHR said:

Alias account IMO

You can find the name ‘Ian’ in ‘Davenport Nice’ so it all fits 

[Herbie6590]

2 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

Are you blushing @Herbie6590?? 

My PR company is working hard this week clearly…just not on the right brief…😆

[Herbie6590]

2 hours ago, Davenport Nice said:

The chap who writes the fan piece (Ian Herbert) in the Telegraph always strikes me as the type of person who would be good at leading or being influential in a WATR type group.

Articulate, well read, knowledgeable,  logical and calm. He was on a podcast the other week and he echoed pretty much all my thoughts better than I'm able without getting wound up. A lot of my mates think similar.

That’s very kind that you think I could do it, but I genuinely think it’s a thankless task. 

[J*B]

4 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

You can find the name ‘Ian’ in ‘Davenport Nice’ so it all fits 

Same IP address… makes you think..! (It’s not really)

[Ozz]

3 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

That’s very kind that you think I could do it, but I genuinely think it’s a thankless task. 

It is!

[Bethnal]

Not having the assertion that “these people do more than you, stop complaining,” justifies their total inaction.

For a start - I’m confident that “voluntary” means they choose to do it. Complaining about criticism over your doing a bad job of a role you asked to do is a narcissistic trait. Outrage at being questioned over your actions equally so.

I was a member and stopped being because nothing comes back. It’s not democratic and the attitude of the Chair online speaks to the prospects of the organisation as a whole. For all those that spend time with the guy, who may privately confess to one way of thinking around the owners, ask yourself what he actually says publicly or does. Ask yourself what the real end goal of publicly declaring Rudy Gestede a good successor to Waggott as CEO would be. Ask yourself how someone who professes to love the club as much as being the chair of a supporters’ trust can hobnob and mingle with the very people holding the club down in the fan lounges.

Engagement only works when you get something back and for the trust, that applies both to their membership and the owners. They get nowt meaningful from the owners and their membership get nowt from them.

Again - complaining about criticism from your target stakeholders, over a job you volunteer to do, exposes the ego drive that leads people to take these roles. Biting your tongue over the past few years in the vain hope you’ll be given a board seat by the people killing the club, even moreso.

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

Aa a professional football Club you represent yourself to the best effect every time you play. I hope we win against Wolves 10-0.

However, winning promotion gives us the chance to secure the clubs future in many ways for generations to come. Plus the chance to get rid of these owners.

Every gane is a cip final in the PL and the financial benefits of promotion far outweigh some temporary enjoyment in a cup competition. 

 

Its depressing that the first thought is the financial benefits though.

We are football fans, to win an FA Cup would be something that you remember fondly for the rest of your life. It likely would never be topped in the next 50 years.

It would be better financially to get promoted, however theres nothing to suggest the owners would suddenly be willing to sell up. We would likely go up and back down and would be better off financially (or at least the owners would be) but does that outweigh the memories of winning the FA cup?

Every game isnt a cup final in the Premier League. If you was to win at home to Palace, it wouldnt feel half as good as winning a cup final. Even if we won at Old Trafford it wouldnt.

[onlyonejackwalker]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Its depressing that the first thought is the financial benefits though.

We are football fans, to win an FA Cup would be something that you remember fondly for the rest of your life. It likely would never be topped in the next 50 years.

It would be better financially to get promoted, however theres nothing to suggest the owners would suddenly be willing to sell up. We would likely go up and back down and would be better off financially (or at least the owners would be) but does that outweigh the memories of winning the FA cup?

Every game isnt a cup final in the Premier League. If you was to win at home to Palace, it wouldnt feel half as good as winning a cup final. Even if we won at Old Trafford it wouldnt.

Possibly, I just think the owners might receive an offer they could stomach if promoted and cut their losses. But nothing makes sense in Venkys Rover land so who truly knows.

[Herbie6590]

1 hour ago, Bethnal said:

 

Engagement only works when you get something back and for the trust, that applies both to their membership and the owners. They get nowt meaningful from the owners and their membership get nowt from them.

 

From pp 51/52 on this thread…

[Bethnal]

22 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

From pp 51/52 on this thread…

“We are a membership organisation, but we don’t really like what the membership tells us.”

[Herbie6590]

Harry Berry gets it…not surprisingly…

 

[Mattyblue]

Astute, as always… though obviously an avid reader of brfcs, if not poster. 😉

[Forever Blue]

20 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

From pp 51/52 on this thread…

Re your last paragraph, there was little anger towards JDT’s departure as we were on the crest of a slump. I think this time might be a little different as we’re 6th and Eustace is popular. 
 

So maybe Gen Z will get off tik tok and stage some kind of protest against our owners and board!

[Herbie6590]

Harry has let us publish his Twitter piece…easier to read here…

 

https://www.brfcs.com/articles/howling-at-the-moon/2135

[Forever Blue]

26 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

Harry has let us publish his Twitter piece…easier to read here…

 

https://www.brfcs.com/articles/howling-at-the-moon/2135

He’s basically saying only a boycott  would be effective. It’s been said a million times before to hit them in the pocket. However, that in itself is howling at the moon as we have a lot of stupid fans who don’t see the problem and will continue to attend (that’s not to say all attendees are stupid and don’t see the problem).

Time for protests. 

 

[scotchrover]

Does anyone know what the crack is with this lot? Surely, they should be preparing to coordinate protests now?

[Upside Down]

The trust aren't a protest group, that's not what they're about.

I'm waiting for their response to this latest debacle.

[chaddyrovers]