[Archived] Do Rovers fans in the main 'lack footballing knowledge'?

[Gav]

I brought up the 'lacking footballing knowledge' theme on another thread, and have argued against it vehemently in the past, but I do think it holds some truth the more I think about it.

I've been all over the world watching football and can count on one hand the amount of times I've heard home teams players being booed when the teams read out, or cheered when being substituted, it happens but very rarely. Most recent example would be Fellaini at United and we all know the United home crowd is made up of uneducated, in footballing terms, day trippers.

Off the top of my head we've had Jimmy Quinn, Jason Wilcox, Mark Atkins, Tim Sherwood, Richard Brown, Keith Andrews, Chris Brown and Lowe that have all been booed by their own fans, how can that be acceptable? how can that be anything other than a crowd, or section of, lacking footballing knowledge? 

Ninja Tattoo has also added Scott Sellars to the list.

I'm open to being convinced either way, but as someone who has never booed his own players ever I can't get my head around it. 

[RevidgeBlue]

No Rovers fans don't lack knowledge Gav. I'd say exactly the opposite is true and that most football fans are way more savvy than the "experts" give them credit for and that on the whole they aren't fooled by a player who either isn't good enough or more commonly is swinging the lead!

There may be very rare occasions when players are unfairly targeted. But that is human nature and not exclusive to Rivers fans.

 

[Stuart]

You really think this deserves it's own thread?

What you really mean is "Gav's opinion matters the most and everyone else is stupid".

 

[jim mk2]

 

Some Rovers fans are very critical - and they like to target certain players. Doesn't mean they lack football knowledge - you could make the case they know a bad player when they see one - but some fans would say they lack loyalty to all players who wear the shirt. I've cursed and shouted at our players but wouldn't boo them. 

[AllRoverAsia]

I do not think it has anything to do with having or not having 'football knowledge' whatever that may be.

I doubt its just a Rovers thing but certainly over the years certain of our fans have needed a scapegoat to vent their anger at. Perhaps a target for their life and not just football frustrations.

Perhaps its the water in Blackburn and maybe a happy pill is needed which some seem to be on already.

I dont boo individual Rovers players but would boo the team at half or full time if they were playing really badly.

I certainly criticise individual errors, once being asked politely to vacate the JW Upper for criticising too angrily a Robbo error that led to a Chelsea goal in the semi ... and missing the win in the pen shoot out!

But how anyone could ever boo Scott Sellars mystifies me. Pure class.

[Stuart]

Just now, jim mk2 said:

Some Rovers fans are very critical - and they like to target certain players. Doesn't mean they lack football knowledge - you could make the case they know a bad player when they see one - but some fans would say they lack loyalty to all players who wear the shirt. I've cursed and shouted at our players but wouldn't boo them. 

What's the difference?

[Glenn]

You missed Ashley Ward, II remember that cringeworthy moment our fans cheered his red card

(and personally, yes I do thing this deserves it's own thread, we don't charge per thread or anything).

[jim mk2]

Just now, Stuart said:

What's the difference?

Cursed or shouted when they make a silly. mistake. Booing is entirely different. Bleedin' obvious I would have thought 

[Guest]

Just now, Stuart said:

You really think this deserves it's own thread?

I think it's more fair to say that the abject situation at Rovers is clouding people's judgment when something good on the pitch happens. Anything good that happens seems insignificant while the club is not being run as it should.

[AllRoverAsia]

Just now, Stuart said:

What's the difference?

A boo goes like 'boooooo' but is premeditated to quite an extent.

A curse, from me at least, goes summat like 'fing hell u s-head' and is raw spontaneous emotion.

[Stuart]

Just now, jim mk2 said:

Cursed or shouted when they make a silly. mistake. Booing is entirely different. Bleedin' obvious I would have thought 

Oh so you shouted (something like) "Oh FFS Derrick" rather than "Derrick you are effing useless".

The latter being the same as booing - although less child-friendly.

Fair enough.

[AllRoverAsia]

I still think its the Blackburn water at fault.

[AllRoverAsia]

Just now, Glenn said:

You missed Ashley Ward, II remember that cringeworthy moment our fans cheered his red card

(and personally, yes I do thing this deserves it's own thread, we don't charge per thread or anything).

He did win the penalty that wasnt given though 

[jim mk2]

Just now, Stuart said:

Oh so you shouted (something like) "Oh FFS Derrick" rather than "Derrick you are effing useless".

The latter being the same as booing - although less child-friendly.

 

What a silly post. 

 

[Stuart]

Just now, AllRoverAsia said:

A boo goes like 'boooooo' but is premeditated to quite an extent.

A curse, from me at least, goes summat like 'fing hell u s-head' and is raw spontaneous emotion.

In that case, I respectfully disagree that there is a difference. Except that a boo can be misdirected (from a listeners perspective). A boo could be aimed at the ref, the manager or a player.

Plus both can be spontaneous.

I would add, anyone booing (or even taking the moral high ground by swearing at) Lowe as he walked off is pretty childish and probably an idiot or drunk - or all three. Anyone who stood with their arms folded does not lack football knowledge but rather chooses not to acknowledge a player who has done nothing on the pitch, nothing to warrant being the first name on the team sheet for three years and NOTHING to warrant being captain.

[Stuart]

Just now, jim mk2 said:

What a silly post. 

Why?

[jim mk2]

Just now, Stuart said:

Why?

 

.... because you don't know the difference calling a player out and booing.

Simple really. 

[jim mk2]

Just now, Stuart said:

 

I would add, anyone booing (or even taking the moral high ground by swearing at) Lowe as he walked off is pretty childish and probably an idiot or drunk - or all three. Anyone who stood with their arms folded does not lack football knowledge but rather chooses not to acknowledge a player who has done nothing on the pitch, nothing to warrant being the first name on the team sheet for three years and NOTHING to warrant being captain.

Using yet another thread to have a dig at Lowe. You need to see a psychiatrist. 

[Glenn]

Ladies, ladies. ball not the man, etc etc. ... or take it to PMs.

[Gone to seed]

Personally I don't think the propensity to boo one of your own players has anything to do with knowledge of football, but more likely that it is an indication of someone's values and standards. The lower the standard of personal decency and the more basic the values, the more likely there is to be a moronic and boorish tendency to boo.

As a Rovers fan of some 45 years standing, and having spent 25 years as a referee at various levels, I have seen a lot of things on the field of play, and heard a lot of cringeworthy noises and shouts coming from the sidelines. I have never boo'ed a Rovers player, however, and I never will. At times I have held my head in disbelief at some of the things I have seen at Ewood, and I dare say I have sworn the odd oath in response to some of the drivel that has been served up as entertainment, but the day I feel justified in booing a player in the famous Blue & White halves will be the last day I have anything to do with the club. End of.

If others want to boo, then be it on their own conscience... if they actually have one in the first place

[jim mk2]

Just now, Disenfranchised said:

Personally I don't think the propensity to boo one of your own players has anything to do with knowledge of football, but more likely that it is an indication of someone's values and standards. The lower the standard of personal decency and the more basic the values, the more likely there is to be a moronic and boorish tendency to boo.

As a Rovers fan of some 45 years standing, and having spent 25 years as a referee at various levels, I have seen a lot of things on the field of play, and heard a lot of cringeworthy noises and shouts coming from the sidelines. I have never boo'ed a Rovers player, however, and I never will. At times I have held my head in disbelief at some of the things I have seen at Ewood, and I dare say I have sworn the odd oath in response to some of the drivel that has been served up as entertainment, but the day I feel justified in booing a player in the famous Blue & White halves will be the last day I have anything to do with the club. End of.

If others want to boo, then be it on their own conscience... if they actually have one in the first place

 

Precisely. I would never boo any player, but there aren't many fans who've haven't lambasted a player when they've made a silly mistake or been particularly inept. 

[rigger]

The question being, Do Blackburn fans lack a knowledge of football? I would say no, but in the main the people who run the club do.

[Stuart]

Just now, jim mk2 said:

Using yet another thread to have a dig at Lowe. You need to see a psychiatrist. 

I thought that's who we were all talking about. Wasn't that the source material for the original post?

Keep up dear boy.

[jim mk2]

Just now, Stuart said:

I thought that's who we were all talking about. Wasn't that the source material for the original post?

Keep up dear boy.

I thought it was about football knowledge, and booing, not using it as a chance to criticise Jason Lowe (again)

[Stuart]

Just now, jim mk2 said:

.... because you don't know the difference calling a player out and booing.

Simple really. 

So you really think that a player walks back into the dressing room having been "called out" by which you mean sworn at and told how useless he is for most of the game but thinks to himself. It could have been worse, they could have boo'd.

The only difference is how you perceive your own intellect - as somebody who 'calls players out' - being superior to some inarticulate thick-neck who boos.