[Archived] Job losses

[Brownpants18]

Rovers have been grossly over staffed for sometime . They have 3 x more staff than Preston for example.

 I have also heard only three young players were offered terms and all three have turned down £200 per week, make of it what you will.

 

[JHRover]

Overstaffed and yet the basics - for example producing a proper matchday programme - appears to be too much to ask. 

One of the reasons we have a lot more staff than Preston would be having a Category A academy, which has strict rules on having a large roster of staff. In addition to that we have both a training ground and academy on 2 different sites.

These things are a cornerstone of the Jack Walker legacy, along with Ewood Park. Things that should set us apart from the other local clubs and should make this club the envy of the North West. If/when that goes then there won't be much left of his long term legacy at Rovers other than the memories.

If money is as tight as it sounds then clearly they will be having to contemplate losing category A academy status and making a substantial saving on that front.

It would of course be typical of Venkys to cut across the board including offloading staff members and yet continue to insist millions go into the academy every year.

[blueboy3333]

Just now, Brownpants18 said:

Rovers have been grossly over staffed for sometime . They have 3 x more staff than Preston for example.

 I have also heard only three young players were offered terms and all three have turned down £200 per week, make of it what you will.

 

Illuminatingly vague. Cleaning, Coaching , Stewarding, Bar, Playing?

[tomphil]

Over staffed in persons made from flesh and blood or just invisible persons names on the payroll ?

[Sparks Rover]

13 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

Illuminatingly vague. Cleaning, Coaching , Stewarding, Bar, Playing?

He is correct.  The academy and development centres are awash with tracksuit wearing types.  Compared to Preston, who play at UCLAN and have a coach and nothing  like at rovers.  You only have to look at thr bloody entourage even for a U23 game....all the  laptop trackie men will have to go.....

[Stuart]

7 hours ago, JHRover said:

Overstaffed and yet the basics - for example producing a proper matchday programme - appears to be too much to ask. 

One of the reasons we have a lot more staff than Preston would be having a Category A academy, which has strict rules on having a large roster of staff. In addition to that we have both a training ground and academy on 2 different sites.

These things are a cornerstone of the Jack Walker legacy, along with Ewood Park. Things that should set us apart from the other local clubs and should make this club the envy of the North West. If/when that goes then there won't be much left of his long term legacy at Rovers other than the memories.

If money is as tight as it sounds then clearly they will be having to contemplate losing category A academy status and making a substantial saving on that front.

It would of course be typical of Venkys to cut across the board including offloading staff members and yet continue to insist millions go into the academy every year.

It honestly sounds like the finances from Venkys have been turned off completely. If so then somebody somewhere will be scrambling to make ends meet. Not sure what the loss of revenue is compared to the lowering in cost but I wouldn't be surprised if somebody was banking on relegation and a further season of Championship contracts. What did Venkys last statement to the fans say again? IIRC there were certain expected words strategically absent.

Still it's all just part and parcel of the life cycle of football. Inevitably in League One you'll have to cut costs. It's natural. It's normal. You rise when you have rich owners and you fall when you have poor ow... hang on a minute!

[Brownpants18]

Next time Mr Senior or any of the other people who are extracting a living out of Blackburn Rovers are available to the public, ask the question, how many staff are employed by the club?

I stick with what I posted the club has been grossly over staffed in nearly all departments.

As for the youngsters this will all become clear in the next few days.

[blondie]

If I am not mistaken, Ian Battersby mentioned the duplication of roles in his Seneca attempt at helping the Rovers.

[tomphil]

2 hours ago, Stuart said:

It honestly sounds like the finances from Venkys have been turned off completely. If so then somebody somewhere will be scrambling to make ends meet. Not sure what the loss of revenue is compared to the lowering in cost but I wouldn't be surprised if somebody was banking on relegation and a further season of Championship contracts. What did Venkys last statement to the fans say again? IIRC there were certain expected words strategically absent.

Still it's all just part and parcel of the life cycle of football. Inevitably in League One you'll have to cut costs. It's natural. It's normal. You rise when you have rich owners and you fall when you have poor ow... hang on a minute!

Sounds like they certainly fear it has been turned off within the club which is a rumour that was coming out of there a while ago. We call the likes of Cheston with good reason but can't be easy not knowing what the hell is going on although I suppose it's just business as usual under Venkys.

[Dunnfc]

1 hour ago, Brownpants18 said:

Next time Mr Senior or any of the other people who are extracting a living out of Blackburn Rovers are available to the public, ask the question, how many staff are employed by the club?

I stick with what I posted the club has been grossly over staffed in nearly all departments.

As for the youngsters this will all become clear in the next few days.

It has to an extent been over populated with staff (248).

However the facilities BRFC have, academy A1 which specifies the amount of staff required, training ground in Brockhall all require significant levels of operations. 

Since the PL days we have shaved around 30 staff however these have mainly come from commercial, admin, grounds and not the playing/coaching levels. 

It's simple if you can't afford to run a club, then don't. anything else is a disservice. 

How can Mike Cheston make an honest assesment, he won't know who is on the payroll as each employee is paid by the State Bank of India on the wageslip, no mention of Venkys etc. So it could be Barry Rao's personal trust (Bank) paying the payroll then charging it back to the club accounts which is probably where Gandhi Babu enters the fray, still listed as a Rovers director too. 

[Dunnfc]

Just now, tomphil said:

Sounds like they certainly fear it has been turned off within the club which is a rumour that was coming out of there a while ago. We call the likes of Cheston with good reason but can't be easy not knowing what the hell is going on although I suppose it's just business as usual under Venkys.

It's never been on in fact the 80 million owed to parent undertaking can be attributed to the VHPL accounts in which around that figure from 2012 has seen a number of fixed and floating charges/ mortgages placed on it from institutions.

As i suspected a while ago, SBOI>VHPL>VLL>BRFC ..... Let us go bust, the banks won't come after Rovers they'll go after India. Rovers trade creditors are around 10 million and easily supportable in any sale agreement at full value.

[Stuart]

Just now, tomphil said:

Sounds like they certainly fear it has been turned off within the club which is a rumour that was coming out of there a while ago. We call the likes of Cheston with good reason but can't be easy not knowing what the hell is going on although I suppose it's just business as usual under Venkys.

The admission of high interest short term loans was the most obvious sign that Venkys are not putting money in the Bank of India have turned the taps off.

But if Venkys have loads of money, care about the club, and only use finance as a cash flow tool then why would they allow this to happen?

The fact the have suggests they either have no money, don't care or run the club on debt to avoid using their own money. Or all three!

[Dunnfc]

Bit of analysis I'm doing to support other things but here is Venkys floating charges against just VHPL. Check the majority of the dates then the capital entering the BRFC accounts. You will denote the balance sheet figure less costs of assets incidentally tallies with the 70+1.2 million figures with a difference of circa 20k, amountable to the GBP transaction of currencies as I used the opening days rate as opposed to the closing rate or average but over 72million, it's 20 k out and is based on the inception dates of the takeover so spans 6-7 years.

[Stuart]

1 hour ago, Dunnfc said:

Bit of analysis I'm doing to support other things but here is Venkys floating charges against just VHPL. Check the majority of the dates then the capital entering the BRFC accounts. You will denote the balance sheet figure less costs of assets incidentally tallies with the 70+1.2 million figures with a difference of circa 20k, amountable to the GBP transaction of currencies as I used the opening days rate as opposed to the closing rate or average but over 72million, it's 20 k out and is based on the inception dates of the takeover so spans 6-7 years.

What's with the 1997 date?

[Dunnfc]

Just now, Stuart said:

What's with the 1997 date?

Small charge satisfied and paid up. 

[lraC]

1 hour ago, Suhail Slayer said:

besides the yet to be announced riverside closure due to structural problems...

don't be surprised to find them laying an artificial pitch instead of returfing. 

big savings in running the undersoil heating and those lighting banks for the grass not to mention gound staff and overtime

they already priced it all up for that community pitch behind DE which of course isnt happening. smoke and mirrors.

pitch can then be hired out every day and night to boost cash aswell as regular concerts

At least Tony won't be able to mention how football is played on the grass anymore!

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, Dunnfc said:

It's never been on in fact the 80 million owed to parent undertaking can be attributed to the VHPL accounts in which around that figure from 2012 has seen a number of fixed and floating charges/ mortgages placed on it from institutions.

As i suspected a while ago, SBOI>VHPL>VLL>BRFC ..... Let us go bust, the banks won't come after Rovers they'll go after India. Rovers trade creditors are around 10 million and easily supportable in any sale agreement at full value.

I wonder what would happen then if someone offered them cold hard ten million cash for the club ?   

[north_ender]

15 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

He is correct.  The academy and development centres are awash with tracksuit wearing types.  Compared to Preston, who play at UCLAN and have a coach and nothing  like at rovers.  You only have to look at thr bloody entourage even for a U23 game....all the  laptop trackie men will have to go.....

Our academy isn't up to scratch at the moment. They used to train at Springfields next to the first team but Westley shoved them down the road to UCLan sports area in Cottam (UCLan lease there ends soon by the way), and they've been there ever since.

Current plan is for the first team to relocate to Ingol Golf club where Hemmings plans to build a 'Premiership' training ground and wants houses down to in order to fund it, then the youth team can have Springfields to themselves, which would be a decent training ground for a youth team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OUpDudsvXU

We hardly produce any homegrown players really. We can't get a good 'category' or whatever it's called because there's no indoor facility yet and etc. so all the Prem clubs mop up the local talent.

Our policy of picking said players up at 20/21/22 once they've failed at Prem clubs (Callum Robinson, Daniel Johnson, Ben Pearson, etc.) seems to work better.

[RevidgeBlue]

Back to the job losses it is of course disgraceful that people working on menial rates who might rely on the income are being cast aside whilst we continue to pay players like Stokes and Brown for doing nothing, and to a lesser extent no doubt vastly overpaying the likes of Cheston and Senior for not doing very much.

Unfortunately however these cleaning staff are the first casualties of the war being waged on the Club by the NAPM's. When a Company is in trouble and being badly run it is rarely the aquarium in the office which goes first it's the jobs of innocent employees. (Our "aquarium in the office" being the likes of Stokes and Wes Brown).

[Gav]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

Unfortunately however these cleaning staff are the first casualties of the war being waged on the Club by the NAPM's. 

 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

 

Unfortunately however these cleaning staff are the first casualties of the war being waged on the Club by the NAPM's.

Are you referring to the stay away fans as being responsible for jobs losses?....if so Rev your comment is a disgrace.

Venkys are to blame for our situation and NOBODY else.

[JonnyP]

I reckon the players should of agreed to pay a cleaners wage each would be a nice touch but would never happen

[tomphil]

Yeah if we got 12k instead of 10 everyone's job would be safe we wouldn't have to sell players and we'd be on course for a tilt at the top..........

Meanwhile in the real world as Cheston, Senior, Derek Shaw and others have said many times the owners are committed and we continue to rely on them for financial support. Therefore as soon as THEY slash that the club gets slashed, 30 million in players sales and 50 million in parachute money plus AA billion chickens and eggs per year doesn' t even stretch to a tub of Jiff these days never mind a decent player.

[AllRoverAsia]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Back to the job losses it is of course disgraceful that people working on menial rates who might rely on the income are being cast aside whilst we continue to pay players like Stokes and Brown for doing nothing, and to a lesser extent no doubt vastly overpaying the likes of Cheston and Senior for not doing very much.

Unfortunately however these cleaning staff are the first casualties of the war being waged on the Club by the NAPM's. When a Company is in trouble and being badly run it is rarely the aquarium in the office which goes first it's the jobs of innocent employees. (Our "aquarium in the office" being the likes of Stokes and Wes Brown).

It's actually not possible to respond honestly on a Public MB to a LIE like that.

[RevidgeBlue]

Just now, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Are you referring to the stay away fans as being responsible for jobs losses?....if so Rev your comment is a disgrace.

Venkys are to blame for our situation and NOBODY else.

Yes they are. Absolutely. However if people then decide rightly or wrongly to stay away  because of Venkys appalling track record then job losses are inevitable sooner or later down the line. And the cleaners won't be the last it's merely the start.

I'm sure if Venky's walked out on Monday most boycotters would consider their stance well worthwhile as unfortunate as what has happened to the cleaners is. They would be collateral damage as insensitive as the term is and sounds.