[Archived] Mowbray stays as manager

[Dunnfc]

Rigg obviously can spot a player and manager from Chris Samba, Vincent Kompany to Tom Cairney!

His time at Fulham isn't remembered well, he was brought in on the decline and made a few PR cock ups and got too involved in transfers and tactics but finally got the appointment right after Kit Symons for Slavisa Jokanovic. 

Id be keen for him to come here, certainly would raise the demands and standards expected within the club.

 

[Athlete]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well at the minute he coming in as part time advisor. Pasha appointment. 

Nixon tweets suggest that no one knows his role..probably come in as director of football eventually. 

Senior was trying to get rid of Coyle for weeks I believe. 

Pasha appointment more like shadow director.. Pasha shouldn't be anywhere near Ewood 

[Dunnfc]

Just now, Athlete said:

Pasha appointment more like shadow director.. Pasha shouldn't be anywhere near Ewood 

Nope in 7 years he's @#/? every decision he's had to make up.

[Athlete]

Just now, Dunnfc said:

Nope in 7 years he's @#/? every decision he's had to make up.

Yet he shouldn't even  be making decisions.. You just can't make it up.. Clubs a joke 

If it's true TMs p45 is next or quite possibly TM is about to throw the towel in 

[Dunnfc]

Just now, Athlete said:

Yet he shouldn't even  be making decisions.. You just can't make it up.. Clubs a joke 

When Darren Dein another ex SEM is allowed to head the management search and bring in 14 at Birmingham players then a former glucose biscuit salesman who takes the pish out of fans and tries to take cover at any time just seems a regular circus occurrence. Quite frankly we are an embarrassment to football especially the likes of Rochdale whom are so well run on very little.

[Bigdoggsteel]

23 hours ago, blueboy3333 said:

Mowbray's comments after the game yesterday were quite worrying:-

"They were decent, but I do expect Blackburn Rovers to be a lot better than Shrewsbury Town".

If he's transmitting that attitude to the team before an away game at the only unbeaten team in the league then it's no wonder they play at Ewood like they are going for a kickabout on the beach. The complacency (or is it hubris?) is astounding.

Half the fans are saying this is what he should be saying as opposed to building the opposition up. He really can't win. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

23 hours ago, islander200 said:

Haven't read the article, only seen his tweet,is it a Mowbray appointment though or is he being lined up over his head?Rigg did well as head of scouting under Hughes but is he now being brought in as Dof would have been a better appointment if it was made in the summer

 

23 hours ago, JHRover said:

Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. 

Better late than never, no? 

[JAL]

11 hours ago, Dunnfc said:

Rigg obviously can spot a player and manager from Chris Samba, Vincent Kompany to Tom Cairney!

His time at Fulham isn't remembered well, he was brought in on the decline and made a few PR cock ups and got too involved in transfers and tactics but finally got the appointment right after Kit Symons for Slavisa Jokanovic. 

Id be keen for him to come here, certainly would raise the demands and standards expected within the club.

 

Another bent one staining the English game looks like they've got them all lined up to head our way.

 

[blueboy3333]

30 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Half the fans are saying this is what he should be saying as opposed to building the opposition up. He really can't win. 

It doesn't matter what the fans say. They aren't in charge.

[JHRover]

11 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

 

Better late than never, no? 

Depends on what is actually is all about. Could go either way really. Of course in theory the more experience and know-how we have at the club the better, but we've seen all this before.

Senior, Shaw, Myers, Williams, Hunt - all in theory sensible appointments but all failed to do the job here because of these owners so unless that is going to change then its just another wage for a few months before he departs and we end up back at square one.

What impact will this have upon Mowbray? Surely if we need a D of F then he should have been here through the summer to handle the transfer window?

[Bigdoggsteel]

2 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

It doesn't matter what the fans say. They aren't in charge.

Exactly  

[lraC]

Just now, JHRover said:

Depends on what is actually is all about. Could go either way really. Of course in theory the more experience and know-how we have at the club the better, but we've seen all this before.

Senior, Shaw, Myers, Williams, Hunt - all in theory sensible appointments but all failed to do the job here because of these owners so unless that is going to change then its just another wage for a few months before he departs and we end up back at square one.

What impact will this have upon Mowbray? Surely if we need a D of F then he should have been here through the summer to handle the transfer window?

This all leads to the same thing. We will never have any success, whilst Venkys own the club, simple as that.

[Athlete]

1 minute ago, JHRover said:

Depends on what is actually is all about. Could go either way really. Of course in theory the more experience and know-how we have at the club the better, but we've seen all this before.

Senior, Shaw, Myers, Williams, Hunt - all in theory sensible appointments but all failed to do the job here because of these owners so unless that is going to change then its just another wage for a few months before he departs and we end up back at square one.

What impact will this have upon Mowbray? Surely if we need a D of F then he should have been here through the summer to handle the transfer window?

The impact would be TM heading for the exit door.. Every time a dof is brought in at any club when a manager is already in situ it always ends in tears 

[Bigdoggsteel]

3 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Depends on what is actually is all about. Could go either way really. Of course in theory the more experience and know-how we have at the club the better, but we've seen all this before.

Senior, Shaw, Myers, Williams, Hunt - all in theory sensible appointments but all failed to do the job here because of these owners so unless that is going to change then its just another wage for a few months before he departs and we end up back at square one.

What impact will this have upon Mowbray? Surely if we need a D of F then he should have been here through the summer to handle the transfer window?

There was a plan in place if we were relegated, like it or not. A new DOF coming in then would have muddled things up. Now is probably the best time IMO. 

Riggs CV is fair better than those you mention. He was also here during a time of real success and probably the best squad we had since winning the league. I would imagine the guy is no mug, if he has agreed to come back, he wont be risking his reputation. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, Athlete said:

The impact would be TM heading for the exit door.. Every time a dof is brought in at any club when a manager is already in situ it always ends in tears 

Not straight away. I would imagine Mowbray has until around the end of October to get us where we need to be. A DOF doesn't change that. He will be judged on results, nothing will change. 

[blueboy3333]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Exactly  

'Exactly' what? Saying 'we should be beating' Shrewsbury AFTER the game when we didn't play well and didn't win, and saying 'Rotherham are fantastic' (this will happen) before a game are completely different things.

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, blueboy3333 said:

'Exactly' what? Saying 'we should be beating' Shrewsbury AFTER the game when we didn't play well and didn't win, and saying 'Rotherham are fantastic' (this will happen) before a game are completely different things.

We should be beating them. 

[JHRover]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

There was a plan in place if we were relegated, like it or not. A new DOF coming in then would have muddled things up. Now is probably the best time IMO. 

Riggs Cv is fair better than those you mention. He was also here during a time of real success and probably the best squad we had since winning the league. I would imagine the guy is no mug, if he has agreed to come back, he wont be risking his reputation. 

Paul Senior said there was a plan in place for relegation which saw him directing the future. 24 hours later he was history. Then we had a long, expensive and critically important transfer window where we had to rebuild a squad and these owners threw all their weight behind Mowbray on the basis of a couple of meetings with him. A dangerous game when promotion is essential. Now, less than a month on from the window shutting, someone seems to have decided that we need some football expertise on the board after all.

We should build from the top down. Owners who decide what they want, how much they are prepared to put in and who they trust to make decisions, then a board/CEO/D of F who is empowered to run it for them, who in turn appoints a manager/head coach to deliver results. We seem to have owners who haven't a clue what they want or how to get it, an invisible shadow director who seems to understand the importance of experience yet has seen managers and directors come and ago at a high rate even by Venky standards whilst delivering further regression and relegation, a manager who was appointed in February as head coach but then left to do everything on his own all summer. No plan here.

Rigg has been out of club football for a while after leaving Fulham. Most Fulham fans aren't very keen on him given he was at the helm as they were relegated. Whilst he appears to have brought in Jokanovic, he also was around when they appointed Symons and Magath, so he doesn't seem to be too popular there.

Wouldn't surprise me if they brought Rigg in to 'headline' the upcoming consultation meeting. Bring him in, plonk him and Mowbray in for the questions, keep Cheston and Pasha out of the spotlight.

[chaddyrovers]

Well at the minute Rigg is here as an advisor on part time basis and not as DoF. 

At the minute Mowbray is here and getting on with the job. 

Do we need a new DoF? Depends on what his role is and what he is in charge of. 

[blueboy3333]

4 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

We should be beating them. 

They're top of the league with a manager at the top of his game. We aren't and haven't. He can start coming out with that nonsense when he's 10 points clear.

On the same tack, he's now blaming the players for Saturdays performance. It's not the first time either. How a man who refuses to play our most effective attacking option when we struggle to break teams down can accuse his team of not being 'brave enough' is beyond me.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/15554996.Tony_Mowbray_felt_Rovers_weren_t_brave_enough_on_the_ball_in_the_draw_at_Shrewsbury_Town/?action=success#comments-feedback-anchor

 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, blueboy3333 said:

They're top of the league with a manager at the top of his game. We aren't and haven't. He can start coming out with that nonsense when he's 10 points clear.

On the same tack, he's now blaming the players for Saturdays performance. It's not the first time either. How a man who refuses to play our most effective can accuse his team of not being 'brave enough' is beyond me.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/15554996.Tony_Mowbray_felt_Rovers_weren_t_brave_enough_on_the_ball_in_the_draw_at_Shrewsbury_Town/?action=success#comments-feedback-anchor

 

Managers do that sometimes to get a reaction from players. To be honest, he is right to. The players need to start putting in performances. Mowbray can only do so much. I agree that Chapman and Dack should start 

[Parsonblue]

16 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

There was a plan in place if we were relegated, like it or not. A new DOF coming in then would have muddled things up. Now is probably the best time IMO. 

Riggs CV is fair better than those you mention. He was also here during a time of real success and probably the best squad we had since winning the league. I would imagine the guy is no mug, if he has agreed to come back, he wont be risking his reputation. 

When Rigg was here last he was simply chief scout working under Hughes and with John Williams and Tom Finn running the club on very sensible lines.  A world of difference from where we are today.  There are very mixed views on his time at Fulham and at both Manchester City and QPR he simply followed Hughes to work under him doing a similar role to what he did at Ewood for Hughes.

[blueboy3333]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Managers do that sometimes to get a reaction from players. To be honest, he is right to. The players need to start putting in performances. Mowbray can only do so much. I agree that Chapman and Dack should start 

The players do need to start putting performances in, I agree. However, the manager loses credibility when he accuses others of the same cowardice he displays himself with his teams selections.

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, blueboy3333 said:

The players do need to start putting performances in, I agree. However, the manager loses credibility when he accuses others of the same cowardice he displays himself with his teams selections.

Ya, hopefully he sees his best team soon 

[Athlete]

1 minute ago, Parsonblue said:

When Rigg was here last he was simply chief scout working under Hughes and with John Williams and Tom Finn running the club on very sensible lines.  A world of difference from where we are today.  There are very mixed views on his time at Fulham and at both Manchester City and QPR he simply followed Hughes to work under him doing a similar role to what he did at Ewood for Hughes.

Totally different club these days if Rigg does his homework there's a good chance he'll swerve us