[Archived] Mowbray stays as manager

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

To be fair, if we finished 6th at the end of the season, all things considered that would be a failure.

Today did also raise more questions than answers.

That said, after 2 wins obviously he shouldnt be in danger of being sacked at the moment. 

I do feel that anything less than 9 points from 3 games ahead of Wigan but be a disappointment considering the fixtures and fact that we have catching up to do.

the season ends after 46 games not after 10 games usually. 

some games you have to battled to win points when you aren't at your best

lets just win the next game at Oldham

sacking managers when their club is in top 6 is crazy and show how some fans are never happy and expected far too much 

the season is 46 games long. its a marathon not a sprint 

[Athlete]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

To be fair, if we finished 6th at the end of the season, all things considered that would be a failure.

Today did also raise more questions than answers.

That said, after 2 wins obviously he shouldnt be in danger of being sacked at the moment. 

I do feel that anything less than 9 points from 3 games ahead of Wigan but be a disappointment considering the fixtures and fact that we have catching up to do.

He doesn't leave us confident of a top two finish and that's were we need to be.. 

Today we got away with it.. Big month coming up jury even more out.. We're in the play off spots so I don't think a sacking is justified yet 

[Athlete]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

the season ends after 46 games not after 10 games usually. 

some games you have to battled to win points when you aren't at your best

lets just win the next game at Oldham

sacking managers when their club is in top 6 is crazy and show how some fans are never happy and expected far too much 

the season is 46 games long. its a marathon not a sprint 

The sprint comes at the end chadster 

I wasn't happy when TM relegated us after the last few weeks he's left us with even more questions on his tactical ability than answers.. But as you point out I reckon it'd be pointless sacking him at this moment in time.. The time for that is if it really looks like a top two finish is beyond TM 

[Bigdoggsteel]

People calling for the manager to be sacked after 7 points from 9. Only at the Rovers and maybe Real Madrid 

[JacknOry]

43 minutes ago, RV Blue said:

After today I would sack him. There is no other way to describe him than he's thick, it's as simple as that. If Gillingham scored today (as they should have) everyone on here would be slating him, and their poor finishing/Raya's good shot stopping doesn't excuse his ineptitude. I can't remember leaving Ewood with less confidence in a manger than I had before the game when we won, I can't be the only ons.

I admit he made some strange decisions - but sacking him now would lead to what? A new manager coming in, disrupting what is the second best form in the division (yeah i know but it still counts) and then him finding his own team and formation etc. We are playoffs with another home game to come and games in hand, so while I agree with some of your doubts, i dont think now is anywhere near the right time to sack him.

In fact, this is the first time ever, i think, that i have heard somebody calling for a managers head after a home win.

[DE.]

We looked really good against Rotherham, a bit dodgy today but got the three points. Impossible to justify sacking Mowbray considering our recent overall form.

Performance wise we do need to improve, but results are good enough at the moment. We just have to hope that the team are gaining confidence and we'll see better football if this momentum continues. 

[roversfan99]

47 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

the season ends after 46 games not after 10 games usually. 

some games you have to battled to win points when you aren't at your best

lets just win the next game at Oldham

sacking managers when their club is in top 6 is crazy and show how some fans are never happy and expected far too much 

the season is 46 games long. its a marathon not a sprint 

I never said we should sack him, I said we shouldn't.

That said, anything less than a top 2 finish would be a failure. Finish.

[Dreams of 1995]

In no way shape or form does TM deserve to be sacked. However, to say that Gillingham shouldn't have scored, or didn't deserve to at least get a result today, is just a blatant lie. They had the better chances and our substitutions played into their hands. Had they more quality we'd be talking about a draw, possibly even a loss today.

It should be said that you have to win the ugly games to be promoted. You won't play brilliantly every week so to walk away with 3 points against a team after playing that badly is ok. If you had asked me before the game though I'd have said a home fixture vs bottom Gillingham should be an easy game - we should have been able to flex our prowess not sit in fear that one of them long balls is eventually going to drop to someone with the quality to finish.

Mowbray's substitutions and tactical switches were awful. Whittingham on the right with Bennett in the middle made absolutely no sense to me. Dack should have stayed on the pitch and Antonsson taken off for Chapman in a like-for-like. Both Dack and Antonsson weren't having their best games, although Antonsson hasn't exactly shone at all since coming, but in a situation like that where you have a choice of taking off two poor players surely a like for like swap and maintaining a working system is the better of the two options? Once he put Antonsson up top and switched to a 4-4-2 our midfield was vacant. Obviously Mowbray's thinking was that Whittingham didn't have the legs to be in the middle of that park. Nonsense really-how can he not have the legs to do that but be expected to operate as a winger and cover a slow Caddis?

One of the biggest gripes for me today was the set piece situation. We have a set piece specialist in Peter Whittingham so why is Charlie Mulgrew taking our corners? He's probably one of our best headers but he's having to deliver the ball because when anybody else took them they didn't beat the first man. That's criminal. Not exactly TM fault but a sad indictment of the state of the squad when situations like that are allowed to unfold.

[Rover_Shaun]

It's doubtful this side will gain promotion. And if it did it would be next seasons Bolton. Never ignore the Pune elephants in the room

[RV Blue]

1 hour ago, Biz said:

From my experience, sacking managers should be the last resort. There is no way we are at that stage, all things considered we are doing quite well, in the mix and overall, in 10 games we've played well.

Yea, some dodgy spells. Started poorly, but looked in control for long periods of games. Should've been out of sight at half time again today. Few suspect decisions, but something's obviously working, and many of the signings look good.

So really, for me the idea of sacking the manager is absolutely barmy, without a plan in place and without a semblance of reference to the ownership circumstances. I actually think it's bizarre, if we had Jack Walker as owner, with money and care to replace/support the new man - I'd STILL call it absolute madness in our current climb.

Each to their own like.

 

You are saying that like 'being in the mix' is an achievement, it isn't. With the squad we have, and the money we have spent, anything but automatic promotion is a complete failure.

The plan in place would be to give the job to Johnson, he's got more tactical nouse in his little finger than Mowbray has in his whole body

[RV Blue]

43 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

I admit he made some strange decisions - but sacking him now would lead to what? A new manager coming in, disrupting what is the second best form in the division (yeah i know but it still counts) and then him finding his own team and formation etc. We are playoffs with another home game to come and games in hand, so while I agree with some of your doubts, i dont think now is anywhere near the right time to sack him.

In fact, this is the first time ever, i think, that i have heard somebody calling for a managers head after a home win.

Sacking him now should lead to a competent manager coming in, not one that makes strange decisions, when does a manager that makes strange decisions end well? I can't remember Hughes making any strange substitutions, and if he did, he definitely didn't make 3 in one game.

Your last paragraph is my point.

[jw_]

I've said it before but I'll say it again the team reflect TM's pre match comments such as the one he trots out before every game "It's going to be a tough match" or "They're a tough team", consequently they play as if they are up against world beaters. I just wish he'd be more positive instead of being fearful of every game, let the lads play for gods sake.

[Reedy You're A Star]

This is Venky's Blackburn Rovers. TM is doing ok at the minute and why sack him and risk those @#/? idiots bringing in someone like Wes Brown in as manager or giving it to Dunn? We're in the mix, 6th with a game in hand after 10 games. Not great,not bad. We all hoped we'd be running away with it by now, but we're not. But we're not  a million miles away and there's 36 games to go. Anything can happen in that time. If we finish where we are now, it's not what we'd hoped for, but if we do end up promoted via the playoffs rather than as 1st or 2nd, noone will give 2 @#/?. The end result is the same, promotion. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should accept second best or having expectations dumbed down or any of that nonsense, we'd all rather avoid the lottery of the playoffs, but 6th isn't a complete failure, unless there's no promotion at the end of it then he should resign in embarrassment never mind be sacked.

[chaddyrovers]

19 minutes ago, RV Blue said:

Sacking him now should lead to a competent manager coming in, not one that makes strange decisions, when does a manager that makes strange decisions end well? I can't remember Hughes making any strange substitutions, and if he did, he definitely didn't make 3 in one game.

Your last paragraph is my point.

Who would you like to see appoint and what difference would they make to us?

[JBiz]

 

7 hours ago, RV Blue said:

You are saying that like 'being in the mix' is an achievement, it isn't. With the squad we have, and the money we have spent, anything but automatic promotion is a complete failure.

The plan in place would be to give the job to Johnson, he's got more tactical nouse in his little finger than Mowbray has in his whole body

I'm sorry to say RV, from my perspective- that's absolute stone cold "bunkum".

Perhaps it's a modern trend to be so short sighted? I mean, as "Reidy you're a star" points out, you'd have to be living in a bunker underground without communication to think that this ownership and management structure is geared for success.

You'd have to be in complete denial, in my opinion - to even remotely expect our delightful directors and owners to hire a top class manager for the job and give him time/money. Not that we shouldn't "want" or "expect" this, it's just not natural to expect things that've never looked like happening in this era.

I also think you'd have to be pretty wet behind the ears to think that a manager with zero first management team experience is a good choice. I mean, hasn't the experiments with Bowyer and the like taught you anything? It's like banging my head against a wall typing this, because I've said it time and time again; Whilst DJ might turn out to be great, do you really think we should be allowing someone to "cut their teeth" in this scenario? This scenario that dictates 6th after 10 games isn't good enough?

Would you be after sacking DJ if he's 8th after 20 games? If he stumbled in a few games, would it be "Damien Johnson is awful, I have more nouse than him"?

7 hours ago, RV Blue said:

Sacking him now should lead to a competent manager coming in, not one that makes strange decisions, when does a manager that makes strange decisions end well? I can't remember Hughes making any strange substitutions, and if he did, he definitely didn't make 3 in one game.

Your last paragraph is my point.

MH made some mistakes too, but you're comparing an era when we had little expectation, and constantly punched above our weight.

TM might make some strange decisions and he might not set up a team like the second best manager we've had in 35+ years, but I can't see the decision to sack him right now as anything but absolute utter cobblers.

If they sacked him tomorrow, my season ticket would be probably on a shelf or in a bin, it would be ludicrous, and taking all this into account- would probably make it LESS likely that we are promoted, in my humble opinion.

 

[Beta Ray Bill]

Here's an interesting one...

P10  W3  D3  L4  pts 12  pos 15th

Anyone want to guess the season?  (extra clue... we were 18 points behind the league leaders)

[martonrover]

14 minutes ago, Beta Ray Bill said:

Here's an interesting one...

P10  W3  D3  L4  pts 12  pos 15th

Anyone want to guess the season?  (extra clue... we were 18 points behind the league leaders)

2000 - 2001?

[Speedie's Gonna Get Ya]

Just now, martonrover said:

2000 - 2001?

1991-92

[Parsonblue]

8 hours ago, RV Blue said:

You are saying that like 'being in the mix' is an achievement, it isn't. With the squad we have, and the money we have spent, anything but automatic promotion is a complete failure.

The plan in place would be to give the job to Johnson, he's got more tactical nouse in his little finger than Mowbray has in his whole body

So I assume that you regard the efforts of Jack, Kenny and Ray in 1991-92 as a complete failure as we only just managed to retain a place in the play-offs on the last day of the season.  Yet, that victory at Wembley proved the launch pad for a tremendously successful period of our history which wouldn't have happened if your logic of sacking the manager had been applied when we lost six consecutive games towards the end of the season and slipped from top to clinging onto sixth place.

[Roverthechimp]

All this strange substitutions talk seems to be about 1 substitution yesterday unless people are suggesting that Graham for Samuel is also strange??

The manager judged that Dack should come off and moved Bennett (our most energetic and best tackler) to add bite in midfield. Leave whittingham on for some creativity - it didn't work but so well but it wasn't an entirely dum idea.

Tldr: we won ffs

[arbitro]

9 hours ago, RV Blue said:

After today I would sack him. There is no other way to describe him than he's thick, it's as simple as that. If Gillingham scored today (as they should have) everyone on here would be slating him, and their poor finishing/Raya's good shot stopping doesn't excuse his ineptitude. I can't remember leaving Ewood with less confidence in a manger than I had before the game when we won, I can't be the only ons.

I understand the frustrations but talk of Mowbray being sacked is just nonsense to me. We are sixth despite losing our first two league games and have a game in hand. We haven't played consistently well in any one game but there are signs that we can dominate this league with the squad we have. Mowbray has made mistakes for sure but in fairness has changed personnel and tactics frequently looking for the right formula. Out of the next five games four are eminently winnable which should see us really pushing on.

Mowbray shouldn't be wrapped in cotton wool and immune from criticism but neither should him being dismissed be up for discussion.

[rigger]

9 hours ago, frosty said:

They had the best, clearest chances of the game. Raya made some good saves but a better side would have scored at least one.

That is an opinion, the fact is they didn't score, I am happy!

[chaddyrovers]

8 hours ago, RV Blue said:

You are saying that like 'being in the mix' is an achievement, it isn't. With the squad we have, and the money we have spent, anything but automatic promotion is a complete failure.

The plan in place would be to give the job to Johnson, he's got more tactical nouse in his little finger than Mowbray has in his whole body

Why give the job to a novice? 

We have an experience manager and in the top 6 and still some people are moaning. We only played 10 games, still 36 games to go. We are winning games and keeping clean sheets..

You cant compare this to Mark Hughes era has that was a great achievement under him. He built 2 good teams. Made some great signings but some poor ones aswell. Plus tactically sometimes he got it wrong. 

[Beta Ray Bill]

26 minutes ago, martonrover said:

2000 - 2001?

Correct.

After the Fulham away match, I was sat eating a curry in Hammersmith with friends who had just seen their team go 10 straight wins and they had far more confidence in Rovers to come good than most Rovers fans. 

We then went on an eight match unbeaten run (W7 D1) until beaten at home by a team that prior to the match were 11 positions and 15 points behind us, namely... Gillingham!

 

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

18 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why give the job to a novice? 

We have an experience manager and in the top 6 and still some people are moaning. We only played 10 games, still 36 games to go. We are winning games and keeping clean sheets..

You cant compare this to Mark Hughes era has that was a great achievement under him. He built 2 good teams. Made some great signings but some poor ones aswell. Plus tactically sometimes he got it wrong. 

Hughes gave the team a style.  First bully boys, then a team that passed with pace.  We have neither of those assets regretfully.  I think Mowbray is  a point shy of the minimum expected after 10 games.  That said, after the first 2 games, he has probably surpassed what most people expected after that turgid start. 

Done enough to earn another 10 game review IMO.  Now if we aren't on at least 40 points by then, we may need to start asking questions - especially with the transfer window looming.  Anything better than 40, then we should let him get on with things