[Archived] When will the next general election be called?

[Baz]

12 hours ago, Bluebarley said:

The vote leave facts are all about the EU policy pressuring the NHS "The EU has taken over control of many areas of the public health policy" undermining to detriment, but for some strange reason you choose not to read that bit 1 point backed up. "Opinion or fact" you say you didn't ask for the facts regarding the titanic but now you say you wanted the facts for something else you never specified at the time? another big yawn. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/10/nhs-summer-crisis-ae-labour-hospitals NHS staff do enjoy taking summer holidays like the rest of us & that is a factor less staff = more strain on the NHS. http://www.bmj.com/content/352/bmj.i905. So yes there is parity the winters are very mild, I think this is sufficient to conclude you are indeed confused on this point? The facts & evidence are there for you to read but you still persist on asking questions without specifying & then repeating the same questions when the questions are answered. The chess was a breeze I did indeed enjoying thrashing my six year old at chess I find these things "intellectually stimulating" reminiscent to some people asking me the same questions over & over. I seriously hope the ignore feature works effectively on all boxes ticked, continuing debating with you I feel I need a summer break in a NHS unit.

 

If you aren't willing to look at direct evidence that disproves your logic that there are no winter pressures on the NHS feel free to ignore me. 

[Husky]

On 15/08/2017 at 10:29, Bluebarley said:

 Wow £350 million that could be utilised in our own healthcare.

Imagine what could have been done with the £3 BILLION that was spent on an unneeded aircraft carrier. @#/? social care and the NHS.

Go Tories Go!

 

[Gav]

Professor Stephen Hawking vrs Jeremy Hunt

Not even a contest, ones a world-renowned British theoretical physicist, known for his contributions to the fields of cosmology, general relativity and quantum gravity, especially in the context of black holes and ones a Tory **** 

 

[Husky]

Any word on proportional representation these days? Or did the truly democratic Brexit vote put an end to any hope of that (as in "look what chaos ensues when you give the people a truly democratic vote")?

 

 

 

 

[K-Hod]

There were a few calls for it as I recall (not from MPs), but I can't see it changing. I don't imagine any party would take it on as a priority. 

[blueboy3333]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/sep/25/hospital-bosses-forced-to-chant-we-can-do-this-over-ae-targets

Tory Britain.

 

[Baz]

1 hour ago, blueboy3333 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/sep/25/hospital-bosses-forced-to-chant-we-can-do-this-over-ae-targets

Tory Britain.

 

So there's was a meeting with representatives of the top 60 failing A&E departments with the top brass, and this was the help they were given?

Must have missed that Daily Mail headline that we have at least 60 failing NHS A&E departments under the Tories.

[JPTSwindon]

No chance of an election any time soon.

Polls are neck and neck.

Brexit needs to be concluded.

Labour MPs don't like Corbyn and fear the bubble will burst.

Tories gambled with a snap election and it didn't work.

MPs, Parties and volunteers have had enough elections for now!

Voter fatigue, the public would not thank politicians for another election.

[philipl]

 

Powerful

[Norbert Rassragr]

Surely even the Tories must think this government is awful in every way. The election was a complete cock up, there is no wider vision other than survival and letting the tax dodgers and banks off any reforms, the cabinet are all a bunch of back stabbing 4th rate Pillocks more interested in their career than the country and the brexit negotiations are laughable.

Labour are not that much more organised and have problems, but they also have a really enthusiastic grass roots movement, and a vision of how society should be, which at least disguises their difficulties and gives them errrm..... momentum.

 

 

[Baz]

2 hours ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

Surely even the Tories must think this government is awful in every way. The election was a complete cock up, there is no wider vision other than survival and letting the tax dodgers and banks off any reforms, the cabinet are all a bunch of back stabbing 4th rate Pillocks more interested in their career than the country and the brexit negotiations are laughable.

Labour are not that much more organised and have problems, but they also have a really enthusiastic grass roots movement, and a vision of how society should be, which at least disguises their difficulties and gives them errrm..... momentum.

 

 

Corbyn is doing ok, but Blair would have a majoity of over a hundred given the opposition, and would never have let Cameron feel so secure that he'd have a Brexit referendum.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Baz said:

Corbyn is doing ok, but Blair would have a majoity of over a hundred given the opposition, and would never have let Cameron feel so secure that he'd have a Brexit referendum.

Blair had a majority of over a hundred and threw it all away with his sucking up to Bush and involving us in unnessary foreign wars.

[Baz]

56 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Blair had a majority of over a hundred and threw it all away with his sucking up to Bush and involving us in unnessary foreign wars.

Blair had a majority of about 70 at his last General Election if I remember correctly? Yes the iraq war cost him a lot, wouldn't disagree, but Brown lost a lot due to his dour, dull and angry demeanour. 

Still think he'd walk it against May.

[jim mk2]

 

Brown was an intellectual giant compared to May and even though he was awkward in public he at least had personal warmth which you could never say about May. She's the most over-promoted minister since John Major, and the most useless and dangerous to this country's future prospects in my lifetime after Cameron. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

7 hours ago, Baz said:

Blair had a majority of about 70 at his last General Election if I remember correctly? Yes the iraq war cost him a lot, wouldn't disagree, but Brown lost a lot due to his dour, dull and angry demeanour. 

Still think he'd walk it against May.

When Labour was returned to power in May 1997 Blair had a majority of 179. A golden opportunity to transform the country was just thrown away. His personal vanity played a large part in this. History will not be kind to him in future generations.

Brown will be regarded in a better light in my opinion. Certainly his efforts to contain the world financial crisis will be praised in the history books you and I won't live to see.

[philipl]

May's problem is she is fundamentally thick.

Found that out when she was Home Secretary.

[Baz]

10 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

When Labour was returned to power in May 1997 Blair had a majority of 179. A golden opportunity to transform the country was just thrown away. His personal vanity played a large part in this. History will not be kind to him in future generations.

Brown will be regarded in a better light in my opinion. Certainly his efforts to contain the world financial crisis will be praised in the history books you and I won't live to see.

Things achieved under Blair / Brown:

Human rights act

Doubled apprenticeships

Tripled BHS spending

4 new medical schools

Sure start

900k pensioners out of poverty

Good Friday agreement

Equality commission

Human rights commission

Beat Kyoto greenhouse gas target

Stopped Milosevic in Croatia

Winter fuel allowance

73% decrease in homelessness

Free prescriptions for cancer patients 

Removed a lot of hereditary peers 

Free part-time nursery places for 3&4 year olds

Food standards agency

Freedom of information act 

Increased uni places

Peacekeeping intervention in Sierra Leone

20bn investment in improving social housing

Longest period of sustained low inflation since early 60s

Nhs waiting lists reduced by 500k

Lowest ever NHS waiting times

75% reduction in youth unemployment 

Free entry to museums and galleries

Autism act

Hunting ban

Ban on animal testing on cosmetics

10 years of continuous economic growth 

Nhs direct

Healthier school meals program

Wrote off up to 100% of debt owed by poorest countries

 

But yeah the right wing press will tell us he's a war criminal. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Baz said:

Things achieved under Blair / Brown:

Human rights act

Doubled apprenticeships

Tripled BHS spending

4 new medical schools

Sure start

900k pensioners out of poverty

Good Friday agreement

Equality commission

Human rights commission

Beat Kyoto greenhouse gas target

Stopped Milosevic in Croatia

Winter fuel allowance

73% decrease in homelessness

Free prescriptions for cancer patients 

Removed a lot of hereditary peers 

Free part-time nursery places for 3&4 year olds

Food standards agency

Freedom of information act 

Increased uni places

Peacekeeping intervention in Sierra Leone

20bn investment in improving social housing

Longest period of sustained low inflation since early 60s

Nhs waiting lists reduced by 500k

Lowest ever NHS waiting times

75% reduction in youth unemployment 

Free entry to museums and galleries

Autism act

Hunting ban

Ban on animal testing on cosmetics

10 years of continuous economic growth 

Nhs direct

Healthier school meals program

Wrote off up to 100% of debt owed by poorest countries

 

But yeah the right wing press will tell us he's a war criminal. 

Compared with the achievements of the post war Labour Government under much, much more difficult circumstances that isn't that impressive.

[jim mk2]

 

This country needs radical change similar to 1945. Does Jeremy Corbyn have the vision and the bottle to do it ? 

[philipl]

6 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

 

This country needs radical change similar to 1945. Does Jeremy Corbyn have the vision and the bottle to do it ? 

Doubtful and for sure he doesn't have the political chops to do it.

You cannot dragoon your Parliamentary Party (who still are fundamentally against him) when you yourself made defying the Whip an art form.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, philipl said:

Doubtful and for sure he doesn't have the political chops to do it.

You cannot dragoon your Parliamentary Party (who still are fundamentally against him) when you yourself made defying the Whip an art form.

Why does he have to dragoon them Phillip ? They are Labour MP's, they should be in favour of Socialist policies.

[Baz]

2 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Why does he have to dragoon them Phillip ? They are Labour MP's, they should be in favour of Socialist policies.

I think a lot of Labour MPs are pro socialist policies, but also conscious of not risking economic growth through over-borrowing,  and wary of abandoning a lot of the vote who are more centre ground. After all you have to be in office in order to make any changes.

[blueboy3333]

17 hours ago, Baz said:

Things achieved under Blair / Brown:

Human rights act

Doubled apprenticeships

Tripled BHS spending

4 new medical schools

Sure start

900k pensioners out of poverty

Good Friday agreement

Equality commission

Human rights commission

Beat Kyoto greenhouse gas target

Stopped Milosevic in Croatia

Winter fuel allowance

73% decrease in homelessness

Free prescriptions for cancer patients 

Removed a lot of hereditary peers 

Free part-time nursery places for 3&4 year olds

Food standards agency

Freedom of information act 

Increased uni places

Peacekeeping intervention in Sierra Leone

20bn investment in improving social housing

Longest period of sustained low inflation since early 60s

Nhs waiting lists reduced by 500k

Lowest ever NHS waiting times

75% reduction in youth unemployment 

Free entry to museums and galleries

Autism act

Hunting ban

Ban on animal testing on cosmetics

10 years of continuous economic growth 

Nhs direct

Healthier school meals program

Wrote off up to 100% of debt owed by poorest countries

 

But yeah the right wing press will tell us he's a war criminal. 

He is a war criminal. And I'm as right wing as Nye Bevan.

[blueboy3333]

56 minutes ago, Baz said:

I think a lot of Labour MPs are pro socialist policies, but also conscious of not risking economic growth through over-borrowing,  and wary of abandoning a lot of the vote who are more centre ground. After all you have to be in office in order to make any changes.

You seem to have fallen for the right wing propaganda yourself, Baz.  The 'centre ground' has shifted so far to the right as to make it meaningless. Michael Foot would see Corbyn as a neo-liberal.

[Baz]

9 hours ago, blueboy3333 said:

You seem to have fallen for the right wing propaganda yourself, Baz.  The 'centre ground' has shifted so far to the right as to make it meaningless. Michael Foot would see Corbyn as a neo-liberal.

The point is still valid though, the left will always vote Labour, the right Tory, its the middle ground between the 2 that tends to be the difference in winning a general election - Labour MPs think they shouldn' shift left away from those marginals where the election wins will come. At the end of the day, Corbyn can say or do whatever he wants, but he needs to win a general election to actually do anything. Tony Blair won 3 elections, the last one after Iraq. The right hate him, because he did what they say is impossible - a Labour government that ran a stable economy and a progressive manifesto - the far left hate him because he didn't follow the policies that kept them out of power for 18 years. The general public backed him.