[Archived] When will the next general election be called?

[philipl]

5 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

The Irish border problem is main stumbling block as I see it. 

Actually the Good Friday Agreement which underlies the border issue is.

The GFA is such a fudge that it is hard to see

1) even with goodwill on all sides, how more fudge can be overlaid on it to remain meaningful which is the only solution the UK is offering

2) how anyone either in the UK or EU with any concern about border integrity can fudge it (remember take back control of our borders?)

Would any Government survive ripping up the Good Friday Agreement?

[philipl]

7 hours ago, Skiptonrover said:

Sorry I was under the impression I asked jim the question have you become jims voicepiece, why not let jim answer the question after all it was addressed to him.

OK I will let the Daily Mail answer

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5139855/Backlash-voters-say-50bn-Brexit-bill-high.html

 

[Vinjay]

I don't think Jim will appreciate that as I recall he's not a great fan of the Daily Mail.

[philipl]

On 03/12/2017 at 22:35, Vinjay17 said:

I don't think Jim will appreciate that as I recall he's not a great fan of the Daily Mail.

That was the whole point. EVEN THE DAILY MAIL..

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

On 3 December 2017 at 22:35, Vinjay17 said:

I don't think Jim will appreciate that as I recall he's not a great fan of the Daily Mail.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

[philipl]

Getting exciting.

Davis will probably be forced to admit he lied to Parliament about impact assessments today.

That should force a resignation and weaken Calamity May even more.

Election could be closer than we think. By the way, NONE of this is the fault of the EU. Just good old fashioned home grown rubbish British Government.

[Baz]

Davies should be sacked for lying. The government should be sacked for having carried out no economic impact study on Brexit over 2 years since calling the referendum. 

The Brexiters where keen to point out (wrongly) that a position of strength in any negotiation was the ability to walk away. Well having no clue of the economic impact of ANY possible deal before going to the table is jaw-dropping. Are these people really in charge of our country?  

[philipl]

Good old Davis.

He got away from lying by proving he is a complete and utter idiot- then giggled about it. 

But he could be opening himself to a huge array of unintended consequences by admitting he is literally not doing the Cabinet job he was appointed to.

Oh and Political Betting just posted this:

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/12/07/welcome-to-the-new-age-of-despair-in-british-brexit-politics/

Get ready for the Maidenhead by-election.

[Paul]

16 minutes ago, philipl said:

Good old Davis.

He got away from lying by proving he is a complete and utter idiot- then giggled about it. 

But he could be opening himself to a huge array of unintended consequences by admitting he is literally not doing the Cabinet job he was appointed to.

Oh and Political Betting just posted this:

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/12/07/welcome-to-the-new-age-of-despair-in-british-brexit-politics/

Get ready for the Maidenhead by-election.

That’s such a wide open bet that it isn’t very relevant. We only have three weeks of 2017 left!

I’m just gobsmacked about the lack of planning. No economic impact assessment is stunningly incompetent. Unbelievable that the government can contemplate working in this manner. 

I realise it’s obvious May is as thick as two short planks, Davis doesn’t have two brain cells to rub together, Johnson, Hunt and Gove are simply out for themselves, Grayling a yes man and Green a w***** ? but surely someone has wondered what might be the consequence of Brexit? This is basic business strategy - what if?

I’m I also read there is no post Brexit strategy but can’t find a link. 

Ah well in the words of some leavers “it’ll sort itself out.” Can’t help but feel we are royally f*****

[philipl]

May is thick. Davis is actually very bright but so convinced by his own omnipotence he is bone idle and never prepares for anything. Utterly fatal approach when clashing with the best brains of the EU. Davis and Britain are getting minced to such an extent that the most effective politician arguing Britain's corner now is Juncker.

Seriously

Think about that.

As for planning for post Brexit. British businesses and institutions are doing that- it is called Brexodus contingency planning.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

32 minutes ago, Paul said:

That’s such a wide open bet that it isn’t very relevant. We only have three weeks of 2017 left!

I’m just gobsmacked about the lack of planning. No economic impact assessment is stunningly incompetent. Unbelievable that the government can contemplate working in this manner. 

I realise it’s obvious May is as thick as two short planks, Davis doesn’t have two brain cells to rub together, Johnson, Hunt and Gove are simply out for themselves, Grayling a yes man and Green a w***** ? but surely someone has wondered what might be the consequence of Brexit? This is basic business strategy - what if?

I’m I also read there is no post Brexit strategy but can’t find a link. 

Ah well in the words of some leavers “it’ll sort itself out.” Can’t help but feel we are royally f*****

As usual the party that is always wrapping itself in the Union Flag is more concerned about staying in power than looking after the best interests of the country.

[Mike E]

On 06/12/2017 at 09:58, philipl said:

Getting exciting.

Davis will probably be forced to admit he lied to Parliament about impact assessments today.

That should force a resignation and weaken Calamity May even more.

Election could be closer than we think. By the way, NONE of this is the fault of the EU. Just good old fashioned home grown rubbish British Government.

...and this lack of productivity is blamed by the Chancellor on disabled workers. The same disabled workers who were forced into unsuitable work by cuts to disabled benefits and increased difficulty in getting what remained. Either that or disabled people kill themselves.

The Tories caused this. As I added on Facebook, so did a German clown in the 1930s with a little black moustache and a stiff arm.

[Jimbo]

27 minutes ago, Mike E said:

The same disabled workers who were forced into unsuitable work by cuts to disabled benefits and increased difficulty in getting what remained. Either that or disabled people kill themselves.

Not only that, but  the closure of Remploy, a system that allowed the dignity of work to disabled people, was a disgrace. - It was a major welfare-to-work provider, delivering a range of contracts and employment programmes, for people with substantial barriers to work. Between 2009 and 2014, it found 100,000 jobs for disabled people.

[Vinjay]

6 hours ago, philipl said:

Good old Davis.

He got away from lying by proving he is a complete and utter idiot- then giggled about it. 

But he could be opening himself to a huge array of unintended consequences by admitting he is literally not doing the Cabinet job he was appointed to.

 

Sounds familiar...

[Baz]

Talking about productivity, the government's figures are based on OBR productivity forecasts that are consistently wrong. Take a look at this graph, and bear in mind the gloomy economic future over the next few years being forecast using these over-optimistic figures.

[Mike E]

37 minutes ago, Vinjay17 said:

Uncertain how someone who went to Oxford can be referred to as "thick". Only in Lingardland.

Just because one is very intelligent, doesn't absolve them from being thick.

[jim mk2]

Some Oxford colleges continue to  include on their entry form the question, "Which year did your father / grandfather attend?", in other words the old boy elite network is still thriving in 2017. It's clear many people are allowed into Oxbridge only because of family connections and are indeed "thick". There's a few of them in the present government.

[broadsword]

Yep, having worked with someone who went to Oxford, who managed to get himself locked into the building, I heartily agree

[Gav]

1 hour ago, Vinjay17 said:

Uncertain how someone who went to Oxford can be referred to as "thick". Only in Lingardland.

Thick as pig sh1t on several levels:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/21/oxford-graduate-sues-university-1million-did-not-get-first-class/amp/

[JPTSwindon]

10 hours ago, Mike E said:

The same disabled workers who were forced into unsuitable work by cuts to disabled benefits and increased difficulty in getting what remained. 

Except the Gov is rightly spending £3bn a year MORE on supporting those with disabilities and long-term health conditions, but don't let the facts get in the way of your blinkered views.

[JPTSwindon]

On 27/09/2017 at 05:31, JPTSwindon said:

No chance of an election any time soon.

Polls are neck and neck.

Brexit needs to be concluded.

Labour MPs don't like Corbyn and fear the bubble will burst.

Tories gambled with a snap election and it didn't work.

MPs, Parties and volunteers have had enough elections for now!

Voter fatigue, the public would not thank politicians for another election.

Still stands.

There is zero appetite in Parliament for another election. 

[Baz]

14 minutes ago, JPTSwindon said:

Except the Gov is rightly spending £3bn a year MORE on supporting those with disabilities and long-term health conditions, but don't let the facts get in the way of your blinkered views.

Blinkered? Pot and kettle?

https://fullfact.org/economy/spending-disability-benefits-going-or-down/

[philipl]

7 hours ago, JPTSwindon said:

Except the Gov is rightly spending £3bn a year MORE on supporting those with disabilities and long-term health conditions, but don't let the facts get in the way of your blinkered views.

Because of demographics, the British population is getting older and more infirm so spending should be rising by at least £10bn a year more

[JPTSwindon]

8 hours ago, Baz said:

Blinkered? Pot and kettle?

https://fullfact.org/economy/spending-disability-benefits-going-or-down/

That was a projection in 2016 in the week, for which there have been significant changes across a number of areas. For example the proposed £1.2bn cut to UC was cancelled following the resignation of IDS.

So the Government is spending £3bn more a year on supporting those with disabilities and long-term health conditions.  This is also expected to rise every year during this Parliament.

[JPTSwindon]

1 hour ago, philipl said:

Because of demographics, the British population is getting older and more infirm so spending should be rising by at least £10bn a year more

Have you just plucked the £10bn out of the air?  

We do have an ageing population but Pensions is not included in the £50bn and remember DLA / PIP is not available to new claimants over 65.

The rise is mostly down to PIP being more accessible than the older DLA benefit, so more people are able to secure a higher (and correct) rate of support.  This is a good thing.