[Archived] Rovers v Burnley

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

22 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Playing wise, I think this is the worst collection of players since Ken Furphy's early days.  Even in the darkest days of the early Furphy era, I didn't feel as much despair.  They wouldn't have given Burnley such an easy ride as that spineless lot did last night.

You could see that Furphy knew what he was doing then.  He was moving out the guys who were feeling sorry for themselves and thought they were too good for the 3rd Division. He was bringing in the sort of players that would roll their sleeves up, get stuck in, and ultimately begin the long climb out of the mire.

I thought Mowbray would adopt the same policies but at the moment we're just shuffling the deck.

[RV Blue]

12 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Slept on it and I've decided that last night's result (while painful) was in reality just 'expected'.

Eg: If we'd lost 2-0 to Stoke or West Brom I'd feel ok.

It was a useful exercise, really, as it confirms who SHOULD start vs MK Dons. Unsure about injuries but if possible:

                            Raya

  Nyambe Lenihan Mulgrew Doyle

Bennett Smallwood Evans Chapman

                             Dack

                           Samuel

Great minds, WWWM!

Surely Conway has to play after his last two performances? I think Dack is out on Saturday so it would be pretty simple to slot Conway in, and move Bennett behind Samuel. If Dack is fit though, I wouldn't mind playing Bennett at right back and leaving Nyambe out. Once Evans gets injured (and he will), Bennett can come in next to Smallwood, like he did last night. If the manager keeps it that simple, we should be more than good enough to go up this season.

[Mike E]

Aye, wouldn't mind that.

[tomphil]

2 hours ago, Blow-in said:

I thought Raya was poor on both the goals, and made a few comfortable saves that any keeper should have made. Bennett came on made tackles and could have scored it was not a great performance but it was better then most on the field.

I worry about our back 4 we give up far too many chances and Raya is not the kind of keeper who will win you games. Thank God for Chris Wood tonight or it would have been embarrassing he was my Rover's MOM 

Agree on Raya he's a show pony who pulls off some good saves but really lacks that solid look on the basics, positioning is poor. A lot of it will come with experience but we want a solid back line to build on there's no room for sentiment or experiments in key areas if you want promotion.

[JHRover]

22 minutes ago, Biz said:

Imagine how embarrassing it must be to see your team play in a proper stadium but two leagues below...

Mark my words, give it 5 years and they'll be back on the bones of their arse complaining about how the directors sponged them!

Dyche can really polish a turd, but the minute he walks, the minute that lot sink like a stone. Remember lads - despite all our success, we never played them 2 divisions below us. 

If this had been ten or twenty years ago Dyche would have been long gone by now. A bigger club would have picked him up some time ago and they would almost certainly have dropped back into the Championship because of it.

When you look at what happened to us with Souness and Hughes - both did good jobs over a 4 year period before being poached by bigger Premier League clubs - Dyche has done arguably a better job than those two yet remains in place.

Some nut job dingles really believe that he is ultra loyal and sticking around for some sort of project. Wrong. He's there because nobody bigger has ever seriously offered him a job, and for the time being surviving in the bottom 5 of the Premier League is the best it has ever been and probably will ever be for him. He was going to ditch them for Sunderland until Advocaat came out of retirement.

Unfortunately in today's day and age with the amount of foreign managers and the media love-in for contintental managers the opportunities for bigger clubs to come and poach him haven't materialised. In years gone by the Southamptons, West Hams, Evertons of this world would have taken a punt on him but these days its all about going foreign meaning for old school British managers with the less attractive styles of play are pushed down the pyramid and find opportunities to progress very limited.

Because of this the best he'll get is a Palace or Stoke job when they come up but its unlikely still, so he'll be there for some time yet. We just need to hope he delivers another relegation and then moves on.

[Gav]

6 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

You could see that Furphy knew what he was doing then.  He was moving out the guys who were feeling sorry for themselves and thought they were too good for the 3rd Division. He was bringing in the sort of players that would roll their sleeves up, get stuck in, and ultimately begin the long climb out of the mire.

I thought Mowbray would adopt the same policies but at the moment we're just shuffling the deck.

I don't think the 'roll their sleeves up' type of players are in abundance these days Tyrone.

When very very average players are on the road to being millionaires by the time they're 21, where's the motivation? 

When was the last time we saw a 90 minute all energy 'Robbie Savage' type performance anywhere? let alone at Ewood?

Jason Lowe was all action but limited ability, he'd have come off that pitch last night having ran himself into the ground, but that type of roll your sleeves up player are few and far between.

 

[Mercer]

Dyche on the pitch incident as reported on BBC:

 

"It seemed a long time before anyone did anything," said Dyche.

"Our players had to eventually defend themselves and that can't be right anywhere in football.

"We were going to go on because I can't have that - not to do anything ridiculous but just to say 'this can't happen'."

"To think you go to the extreme [of escorting fans] and then someone just wanders onto a football pitch is a bit bizarre at least," added Dyche.

"There's all kinds of things going on in the world, and when people get on a football pitch it has to be stopped very quickly.

 

However, Mowbray didn't see it !!!

 

'Blackburn manager Tony Mowbray said he did not see the incident but criticised the actions of the fan'.

 

Dyche talks an awful lot of sense.

What a terrible indictment of our club.  I think Cheston, Silvester and Caley should all be sacked - they have a collective responsibility.

 

 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, RV Blue said:

After the team he picked last night, the MK Dons game now has to be win or get sacked doesn't it? Mowbray has put his Rovers career on the line as far as I'm concerned. Win it and we might be able to forgive him for picking that side last night, lose and what he did is unforgivable.

no it isn't. Managers need time and this sacking culture is pathetic and sadly very sad. we have signed 9 players that Mowbray wanted. any new manager might want to change the playing staff around and sign his type of players. so it could be another season before we get promotion.

 

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, Mercer said:

Dyche on the pitch incident as reported on BBC:

 

"It seemed a long time before anyone did anything," said Dyche.

"Our players had to eventually defend themselves and that can't be right anywhere in football.

"We were going to go on because I can't have that - not to do anything ridiculous but just to say 'this can't happen'."

"To think you go to the extreme [of escorting fans] and then someone just wanders onto a football pitch is a bit bizarre at least," added Dyche.

"There's all kinds of things going on in the world, and when people get on a football pitch it has to be stopped very quickly.

 

However, Mowbray didn't see it !!!

 

'Blackburn manager Tony Mowbray said he did not see the incident but criticised the actions of the fan'.

 

Dyche talks an awful lot of sense.

What a terrible indictment of our club.  I think Cheston, Silvester and Caley should all be sacked.

 

 

I didn't see the fan run on the pitch or which stand he came from but just the fan on the floor after a Burnley player put him on the floor.

[Mercer]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I didn't see the fan run on the pitch or which stand he came from but just the fan on the floor after a Burnley player put him on the floor.

Were you asleep or drunk ?

[FGS5635]

Unless you bring fences back, 1 steward isnt going to stop some bafoon who wants to get on the pitch.

That said Dyche was right, the reaction time of all the stewards, police etc once he was on the pitch was poor

What an absolute plantpot that guy was and his gormless mate who followed him. An embarrasment to the club, to the fanbase and society in general.

[rog of the rovers]

The stewarding was very bad, the idiot had the freedom of the pitch for a good 30 seconds or so before anyone else ran on.

It sounds pedantic, but he could have been carrying a knife, a lifetime ban and heavy fine should be the least of his punishment.

 

As to the game, it unfortunately, played out as you'd expect.

A rebuilding, mid table, League One side were completely outclassed by a solid, well run, mid table Premier League side.

 

Lots of obvious negatives, but trying to look for some ''positives'' - Chapman looks like he has something to offer, Samuel put himself about nicely up top, looked more solid when Bennett and Conway came on, Mulgrew is a still with us, and clearly a good player for a League One team.

Move on.......Hopefully next time we meet, we'll be on an upward trajectory!

 

[Blue blood]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

no it isn't. Managers need time and this sacking culture is pathetic and sadly very sad. we have signed 9 players that Mowbray wanted. any new manager might want to change the playing staff around and sign his type of players. so it could be another season before we get promotion.

 

Goal post change!

Anything less than promotion, based on what we've spent and wages compared to other clubs, TM being in the job and having space to chose his team and most of all because we need promotion, is FAILURE.

[JHRover]

22 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Dyche on the pitch incident as reported on BBC:

 

"It seemed a long time before anyone did anything," said Dyche.

"Our players had to eventually defend themselves and that can't be right anywhere in football.

"We were going to go on because I can't have that - not to do anything ridiculous but just to say 'this can't happen'."

"To think you go to the extreme [of escorting fans] and then someone just wanders onto a football pitch is a bit bizarre at least," added Dyche.

"There's all kinds of things going on in the world, and when people get on a football pitch it has to be stopped very quickly.

 

However, Mowbray didn't see it !!!

 

'Blackburn manager Tony Mowbray said he did not see the incident but criticised the actions of the fan'.

 

Dyche talks an awful lot of sense.

What a terrible indictment of our club.  I think Cheston, Silvester and Caley should all be sacked - they have a collective responsibility.

 

 

As disgraceful as it was lets not forget that a very similar incident happened the last time we played at their place when at least one Burnley supporter entered the pitch during the game. My memory is sketchy and I don't think he approached any Rovers players but nonetheless he got past security and ran around on the pitch for a while.

Very easy for Dyche to play the high and mighty card whilst ignoring something very similar being allowed to happen by his own club/fans.

In terms of Rovers it shows once again the amateurish standards that have built up

Once upon a time we regularly had 25,000+ gates and 6-7,000 away fans and the club managed perfectly well. These days the very mention of a crowd above 15,000 and the club can't cope with the pressure.

[islander200]

22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

no it isn't. Managers need time and this sacking culture is pathetic and sadly very sad. we have signed 9 players that Mowbray wanted. any new manager might want to change the playing staff around and sign his type of players. so it could be another season before we get promotion.

 

Chaddyrovers some of Mowbray's team selections have been crazy.Sticking with Antonsson up front on his own for 65 minutes was baffling,Mowbray watches this guy in training everyday yet chooses to play him up front on his own when he is clearly not suited to the role.Playing 3 at the back earlier in the season,I could go on .He isn't  good manager,he did well at West Brom but that was years ago.I like him as a person and he is clearly passionate about the game but tactically he's clueless

[Dreams of 1995]

28 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

no it isn't. Managers need time and this sacking culture is pathetic and sadly very sad. we have signed 9 players that Mowbray wanted. any new manager might want to change the playing staff around and sign his type of players. so it could be another season before we get promotion.

 

Mowbray deserves to have his job under consideration because of the risk he took.

In my job if I go to my boss and say we need to forget this venture because this one looks more promising - convince them to put all their eggs in that basket and then subsequently fail I would be under review.

Mowbray essentially let this game by us go because he 'has one eye on the MK Dons game'. I'm sorry but it simply doesn't work that way. We should be able to get a result against MK Dons with the team fielded yesterday and play our stronger team against Burnley, who are, by all accounts, the worst Premier league team to come to Ewood in years. I'm not just saying that either - they were for the taking yesterday.

I am not saying he deserves to be sacked or we should sack him but you can't say that the MK Dons isn't a must win game now. He's rolled the dice - a failure to win is a failure for this club. If we lose on saturday he will have certainly lost a large proportion of this fan base.

And don't blame the 9 players/time to gel for his decisions. Giving players time to gel has nothing to do with going into that game with Graham, Bennet, Evans, Conway and Samuel on the bench whilst we are forced to watch Gladwin, Anton-never and Feeney throw away our hopes of a win.

[longsiders1882]

Morning all.

One shining light for you must be Mulgrew - I though he was excellent in the second half (hard to see in the first half down the other end).

On the fans on the pitch - never been one to condemn a whole set of supporters because a few people can't handle their drink/drug combination and behave like d**ks. I don't know how you stop them - but a quicker reaction from the stewards and police next time would be nice.

Anyway enjoy the rest of your season, hope we don't get you in the FA Cup!

[JHRover]

35 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

we have signed 9 players that Mowbray wanted. any new manager might want to change the playing staff around and sign his type of players. so it could be another season before we get promotion.

 

I'm not sure what your point is here.

To start with 'it could be another season before we get promotion' suggests you're already coming round to the idea that we might not be going up this season. That's after 3 league games. I've always had you down as an optimist so for you to be already thinking about being in this league for more than 1 year suggests you aren't very confident in this team/manager.

I'm afraid that isn't good enough. With the money spent and the experience of the players in our ranks talk about a longer term project simply isn't acceptable. Promotion is essential. A top 6 finish and an unfortunate defeat in the play-offs might be forgiveable and earn another shot next season, but really if we aren't at least in the top 6 this season then it has been another catastrophic season and waste of millions of pounds once again.

What makes you think we have time to look at next season? Income is plummeting, the fanbase is collapsing, if Mowbray can't create a team capable of promotion from what he's had then what will he get next summer to do it? The loans will go back, the wage bill will drop again, the better players will all go again and its another rebuild but this time it will be mid-table Lge 1 stuff.

What point are you raising with your '9 players that Mowbray wanted'?

At the end of the day we have let 15 go. Some weren't good enough, one or two probably weren't affordable, but nonetheless we allowed that situation to develop. If I was the manager I would have signed at least 9 players and they would have been players I liked. That doesn't mean I have the ability to forge them into a promotion winning side. Mowbray is the manager and waved goodbye to 15 in the summer. Its not an achievement or something unusual for the manager to then recruit some players he likes. If he wasn't signing players he liked then we'd be back to the days of people in the shadows signing players.

So far 'his type' of players look well off what is required. We don't have the time to sit around waiting for things to come good.

[Husky]

1 hour ago, Speedie Dived said:

Sadly a lot dont and are still getting the "what did you expect last night" , "two divisions above" non sense.

Some on here would be cheer leading if we started the season in the conference.

Is *Rovers Fan still a dirty word on here?

Seems so. *I-Iappy Clapper

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, longsiders1882 said:

Morning all.

One shining light for you must be Mulgrew - I though he was excellent in the second half (hard to see in the first half down the other end).

On the fans on the pitch - never been one to condemn a whole set of supporters because a few people can't handle their drink/drug combination and behave like d**ks. I don't know how you stop them - but a quicker reaction from the stewards and police next time would be nice.

Anyway enjoy the rest of your season, hope we don't get you in the FA Cup!

Me too.

[FGS5635]

Every squad has 9 new players at this stage of the season. Its part and parcel of the merry go round of modern day football

[JHRover]

Just now, FGS5635 said:

Every squad has 9 new players at this stage of the season. Its part and parcel of the merry go round of modern day football

Exactly. Nonsense to think that we're some sort of club in transition because we've signed 9 and meanwhile everyone else hasn't signed anyone. If I could be bothered I'd do a list of League One clubs transfer business this summer. Everyone has signed a lot of players.

[Gav]

30 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Mowbray deserves to have his job under consideration because of the risk he took.

In my job if I go to my boss and say we need to forget this venture because this one looks more promising - convince them to put all their eggs in that basket and then subsequently fail I would be under review.

Mowbray essentially let this game by us go because he 'has one eye on the MK Dons game'. I'm sorry but it simply doesn't work that way.

Short sighted in my opinion, when will poster learn that changing managers isn't going to alter our current predicament? when we've been through 20/30/40 managers?

Nobody was more angry with the team selection that me, but lets not forget we've been stuffed by Southend and Doncaster Rovers this season with our 3rd division superstars in the lineup.

Keep changing the manager does nothing more than pull the wool over the eyes of the fans that haven't accepted our current predicament, simple as that. 

 

[chaddyrovers]

59 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Were you asleep or drunk ?

no I was talking to a friend about the shocking defending for Cork's goal

46 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

Goal post change!

Anything less than promotion, based on what we've spent and wages compared to other clubs, TM being in the job and having space to chose his team and most of all because we need promotion, is FAILURE.

no goal post change. Mowbray's target is promotion.

I talking if we change manager and the new manager wants to change the current squad to his own type of squad

31 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Chaddyrovers some of Mowbray's team selections have been crazy.Sticking with Antonsson up front on his own for 65 minutes was baffling,Mowbray watches this guy in training everyday yet chooses to play him up front on his own when he is clearly not suited to the role.Playing 3 at the back earlier in the season,I could go on .He isn't  good manager,he did well at West Brom but that was years ago.I like him as a person and he is clearly passionate about the game but tactically he's clueless

I agree with Antonsson point totally.

3 at the back? I don't dislike the formation but you want to play 3-5-2 formation then the squad need to set for that formation. it isn't. set up for 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 formations

26 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Mowbray deserves to have his job under consideration because of the risk he took.

In my job if I go to my boss and say we need to forget this venture because this one looks more promising - convince them to put all their eggs in that basket and then subsequently fail I would be under review.

Mowbray essentially let this game by us go because he 'has one eye on the MK Dons game'. I'm sorry but it simply doesn't work that way. We should be able to get a result against MK Dons with the team fielded yesterday and play our stronger team against Burnley, who are, by all accounts, the worst Premier league team to come to Ewood in years. I'm not just saying that either - they were for the taking yesterday.

I am not saying he deserves to be sacked or we should sack him but you can't say that the MK Dons isn't a must win game now. He's rolled the dice - a failure to win is a failure for this club. If we lose on saturday he will have certainly lost a large proportion of this fan base.

And don't blame the 9 players/time to gel for his decisions. Giving players time to gel has nothing to do with going into that game with Graham, Bennet, Evans, Conway and Samuel on the bench whilst we are forced to watch Gladwin, Anton-never and Feeney throw away our hopes of a win.

don't agree with that Burnley are the worst PL team to come to Ewood Park in Years. that match day squad cost nearly 50 mil or so. Dyche has built a PL squad there that will stay up this season and been around 13th/14th in the league.

I want promotion this season so for me, the league is most important. But some of players performances yesterday were poor and simply not good enough and hardly forcing themselves into the 1st 11 either.

14 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I'm not sure what your point is here.

To start with 'it could be another season before we get promotion' suggests you're already coming round to the idea that we might not be going up this season. That's after 3 league games. I've always had you down as an optimist so for you to be already thinking about being in this league for more than 1 year suggests you aren't very confident in this team/manager.

I'm afraid that isn't good enough. With the money spent and the experience of the players in our ranks talk about a longer term project simply isn't acceptable. Promotion is essential. A top 6 finish and an unfortunate defeat in the play-offs might be forgiveable and earn another shot next season, but really if we aren't at least in the top 6 this season then it has been another catastrophic season and waste of millions of pounds once again.

What makes you think we have time to look at next season? Income is plummeting, the fanbase is collapsing, if Mowbray can't create a team capable of promotion from what he's had then what will he get next summer to do it? The loans will go back, the wage bill will drop again, the better players will all go again and its another rebuild but this time it will be mid-table Lge 1 stuff.

What point are you raising with your '9 players that Mowbray wanted'?

At the end of the day we have let 15 go. Some weren't good enough, one or two probably weren't affordable, but nonetheless we allowed that situation to develop. If I was the manager I would have signed at least 9 players and they would have been players I liked. That doesn't mean I have the ability to forge them into a promotion winning side. Mowbray is the manager and waved goodbye to 15 in the summer. Its not an achievement or something unusual for the manager to then recruit some players he likes. If he wasn't signing players he liked then we'd be back to the days of people in the shadows signing players.

So far 'his type' of players look well off what is required. We don't have the time to sit around waiting for things to come good.

My first point was related to if we change manager after giving Mowbray a summer to bring in his own players then any new manager might want to change the playing squad to his own type of squad resulting in promotion not being achieved to next season.

the fanbase is there if we were winning more and playing good football then I'm sure they will be more fans in the ground. Fanbase is there just look at Liverpool and Man Utd cup game proves this

we didn't let 15 players go as 6 players were loan players. so hardly count tbh

 Mowbray has made 9 signings and some look good like Samuel, Smallwood, Dack but Gladwin, Caddis and Whittingham look of the pace.

[AAK]

55 minutes ago, JHRover said:

As disgraceful as it was lets not forget that a very similar incident happened the last time we played at their place when at least one Burnley supporter entered the pitch during the game. My memory is sketchy and I don't think he approached any Rovers players but nonetheless he got past security and ran around on the pitch for a while.

Very easy for Dyche to play the high and mighty card whilst ignoring something very similar being allowed to happen by his own club/fans.

In terms of Rovers it shows once again the amateurish standards that have built up

Once upon a time we regularly had 25,000+ gates and 6-7,000 away fans and the club managed perfectly well. These days the very mention of a crowd above 15,000 and the club can't cope with the pressure.

In the Fa Cup game one of their lot squared up to Steven Reid.