[Archived] Rovers v Burnley

[Speedie Dived]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Do we have lower quality players though? That is most definitely up for debate 

Without doubt we have lesser quality players, we have bought one from the championship who is struggling and the rest are from league 1. 

Majority of players who left have/will be in a side that's a division above us.

[JHRover]

Just now, RV Blue said:

That wasn't Raya's fault, Ward's pass was completely under hit.

I wasn't really aiming to criticise Raya, more the relentless desire to pass back to him and that everyone in the team seems to expect an eternity on the ball without the opposition chasing it down. Alongside that we have nobody apart from maybe Samuel that will do the same to the opposition and bomb it forward to pressure their keeper.

[OJRovers]

26 minutes ago, Hasta said:

I get what you are saying, but we kept hoofing it out of play and mis-controlling it under no pressure. The players are simply poor.

That's not to take away from Burnley's quality as they did a very professional premier-league job on us. Just don't let their quality show up how technically poor and lacking in football intelligence the likes of Gladwin, Feeney and co are.  Does anybody STILL believe we have the best squad in league one?

 

 

The fact is that we have the highest paid and most expensive squad in League One, and that is what Mowbray and the players should be judged on.

[tomphil]

3 hours ago, roverstdt said:

I saw the game last night and I think there is a gulf between fans expectation and reality. What I witnessed last night was a hardworking Rovers team that were outthought, out played, and who were better organised. Is this suppose to be a surprise? No, not at all. Time have changed and Burnley have become a stable strong premier league club that people look up to, just like we were during our time in the PL. 

I am not angry at Mowbray either for fielding a weakened side against them. Were we ever going to the Cup? No, our priority has to, has to, has to be the league and that can only come by sacrificing a few matches here and there. Even the matches the mean the most to us such as Burnley. It was a good game for Raya who will build up his confidence with a few fine saves, same for Chapman and Smallwood. Now we move on to the weekend where we have the Franchise coming to us (A team i despise even more than Burnley having been raised in an AFC Wimbledon family). Now is the time to make it count. If we go away with a win it was a good gamble by Mowbray. If we lose or draw, there is only so long the honeymoon period will last. 

 

Some fair points but you have to understand there was always going to be a slightly hysterical reaction to any defeat v Burnley such are the feelings between the two sets of fans, always have been always will be. Any neutral who witnessed the pre season Lancs Cup tournos of  years ago would have been forgiven for thinking they'd just walked into an FA cup semi final or something so keenly contested were those games on and off the pitch.

Talk to older non Rovers fans across this area and you'll often get a tale of how they went on a Blackburn v Burnley game with some Rovers mates in the 70's and witnessed the shenanigans. These games are legendary around these parts and should ALWAYS be treated as such by whoever is passing through the playing or coaching staff.

Can they say they all gave it their best shot last night ?   Sorry but no and that's not good enough.

Anyway as you say we move on but failure to have a decent reaction on Saturday in terms of selection and performance and there'll be pitchforks out again.

[philipl]

Very visibly League 1 v Premier League last night.. We were OK ish for 20 minutes until they grabbed the game by the scruff.

I feared 0-5 at half time so we did OK second half.

As for the loons on the pitch and our "stewarding". The club will rightly get clobbered for that.

 

[harryhealless1928]

Agreed,we are good at paying high wages(for our level)and doleing out generous contracts.

 

The real miss last night was Lenihan(still injured???).Thought Mowbray took the three worst performers off,given he had no suitable better defenders on the bench.There always seems a marked reluctance to substitute defenders unless injured. At least Antonsson ran about a bit in the best Jason Lowe traditions,not sure Feeney or Whittingham even did that!

Whilst we might not have the ability of a Premier League side,our fitness levels are just awful..something only Lambert adressed in his short time here. Mowbray saying he had no other options..what about Tomlinson(instead of Whittingham)or Rankin-Costello for Feeney.Can they really perform any worse?

[roverstdt]

14 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Some fair points but you have to understand there was always going to be a slightly hysterical reaction to any defeat v Burnley such are the feelings between the two sets of fans, always have been always will be. Any neutral who witnessed the pre season Lancs Cup tournos of 25+ years ago would have been forgiven for thinking they'd just walked into an FA cup semi final or something so keenly contested were those games on and off the pitch.

Talk to older non Rovers fans across this area and you'll often get a tale of how they went on a Blackburn v Burnley game with some Rovers mates in the 70's and witnessed the shenanigans. These games are legendary around these parts and should ALWAYS be treated as such by whoever is passing through the playing or coaching staff.

Can they say they all gave it their best shot last night ?   Sorry but no and that's not good enough.

Anyway as you say we move on but failure to have a decent reaction on Saturday in terms of selection and performance and there'll be pitchforks out again.

I agree with you completely Tom. I just feel with our position we need to focus on ourselves and the big picture rather than these situations that can only generate negative and angry reactions.  

[Guest]

The hurt comes from the defeat but, more so, seeing the absolute gulf in quality between the two sets of players in action. Knowing it is one thing; seeing it happen is nauseating.

Many of us haven't had the experience of being down here in the doldrums, myself included. Perhaps that's what some of us need to get rid of that spoilt superiority that we take for granted.

[harryhealless1928]

On the positive side,look at Chris Woods(lack of)finishing.?? Ha!ha!

 

So maybe Antonsson needs a bit more time(WITH a strike partner aka Samuels ).

[Gav]

So the burnley fans in the away end throwing flares which resulted in ........yes you guessed it, burnley fans needing hospital treatment for burns......

Bit like burnley fans in the away end throwing asbestos tiling which resulted in........yes you guessed it, burnley fans needing hospital treatment for injuries.....

Obviously left the shared brain cell at home on more than one occasion.

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

One occasion in the 2nd half when one of our CBs played a predictable ball back to Raya. Raya then expected plenty of time to launch it forward but one of the dingles (can't remember which) decided he was going to bust a gut to chase the ball down and pressurise Raya. Lo and behold Raya panicked and ended up booting the ball into the dugout. All because of our obsession with sending it back to the keeper and even a dingle eventually worked out that it might be a good idea to chase those back-passes down and see if an error could be forced.

When was the last time anyone from Rovers was seen demonically chasing down a backpass/loose ball and forcing the opposition into an error/giving it away?

I made a similar comment in the last minute of stoppage time when the ball was played towards our right hand defensive corner. They were 2-0 up, game over and didn't have to chase but Arfield sprinted to press Caddis who knocked it long for either Tarkowski or Long to head it back. Dyche demands that from his players and they certainly don't fail him.

[Mercer]

1 hour ago, Peteb2014 said:

The clubs policy is that if somebody makes it on the pitch that the St Johns who act as stretcher bearers are the ones who are supposed to go on the pitch after them as they are wearing football boots so have better footing on the pitch than a steward wearing shoes never understood it myself surely as part of the role of being a steward is to deal with that sort of thing

A nation's primary duty is to ensure the safety of its citizens.

Similarly, Rovers should strive to ensure the safety of all in the stadium whether it be players, officials, fans etc.

To me, generally there were less stewards on duty than there were last season. When the first fan got on the pitch, I fully expected to see the two huge guys, who escorted the ref/linesmen last seaon on and off the pitch, to be on the scene in a flash.  I suspect number of safety staff employed by Rovers has fallen significantly. Thankfully, neither of the idiots pulled a knife or even worse.  I think Rovers have been negligent and will now pay a heavy price.

[Skiptonrover]

1 hour ago, Pedro said:

Wow, that's idiotic. One day someone is going to go on the pitch and stab an opposing player. They need taking down as soon as possible. I've heard the idiots from yesterday have both been charged. Something along the lines of One for assaulting a player and police officer, one a steward and both for unlawfully entering the field of play. For a moment of being a Billy big balls and having a cute little hug with each other, at least one will now get sent down, if they work possibly get fired for gross misconduct but luckily for them, they'll get banned for 5years and won't have to sit through any more of the Venky years...every cloud.

Agree in the main, I don't think if I was a steward on minimum wage I'd be too eager in confronting any fan who could be potentially tooled up not for that kind of money, most want a easy life & I don't blame them.

[FGS5635]

Its practically impossible to stop an idiot getting on the pitch. There are plenty stewards spread out around the pitch. But if a plantpot runs at a gap between them then he is on the pitch in a couple of seconds.

Its wrong to fault the club for someone getting on.

They are at fault though for the speed and manner of the response once he got on the pitch

[MCMC1875]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

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[Dreams of 1995]

30 minutes ago, harryhealless1928 said:

Agreed,we are good at paying high wages(for our level)and doleing out generous contracts.

 

The real miss last night was Lenihan(still injured???).Thought Mowbray took the three worst performers off,given he had no suitable better defenders on the bench.There always seems a marked reluctance to substitute defenders unless injured. At least Antonsson ran about a bit in the best Jason Lowe traditions,not sure Feeney or Whittingham even did that!

Whilst we might not have the ability of a Premier League side,our fitness levels are just awful..something only Lambert adressed in his short time here. Mowbray saying he had no other options..what about Tomlinson(instead of Whittingham)or Rankin-Costello for Feeney.Can they really perform any worse?

 

What is for certain is that Tomlinson cannot be any worse than Gladwin. If I was Tomlinson I could fully understand Whittingham being given a chance before me, if Whittingham takes that chance then that is up to him, but it must be so disheartening to not get a chance in the squad because of that complete waste of space. The same goes with Rankin-Costello.

In fact, any young player has, in my opinion, every right to be angry as hell that the likes of Feeney, Gladwin & Ward are all chosen ahead of them. Give Antonson another performance like that and he can join that list too.

Tomlinson would have ran his heart out last night. He is a local lad and knows the importance of this game. Gladwin & Feeney are nothing but journeymen after their next pay cheque 

[Irishrover213]

21 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

 

What is for certain is that Tomlinson cannot be any worse than Gladwin. If I was Tomlinson I could fully understand Whittingham being given a chance before me, if Whittingham takes that chance then that is up to him, but it must be so disheartening to not get a chance in the squad because of that complete waste of space. The same goes with Rankin-Costello.

In fact, any young player has, in my opinion, every right to be angry as hell that the likes of Feeney, Gladwin & Ward are all chosen ahead of them. Give Antonson another performance like that and he can join that list too.

Tomlinson would have ran his heart out last night. He is a local lad and knows the importance of this game. Gladwin & Feeney are nothing but journeymen after their next pay cheque 

Feeney is a coyle signing. He was bad under GB when he came 1st. I'd get rid of him he offers very little. He can cross the ball but that's it. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, arbitro said:

I made a similar comment in the last minute of stoppage time when the ball was played towards our right hand defensive corner. They were 2-0 up, game over and didn't have to chase but Arfield sprinted to press Caddis who knocked it long for either Tarkowski or Long to head it back. Dyche demands that from his players and they certainly don't fail him.

It's like any other walk of life, attitude is everything. I used to train apprentice engineers, the thing I looked for in a kid most of all was a good attitude.  Engineering skills I could put there but good attitudes, work ethic, honesty, admitting when you're wrong, etc can't be easily taught.

Our lot don't do things like the hard pressing you mentioned because at the moment that sort of ethos doesn't exist at the club.

[donnermeat]

2 hours ago, Pedro said:

Wow, that's idiotic. One day someone is going to go on the pitch and stab an opposing player. They need taking down as soon as possible. I've heard the idiots from yesterday have both been charged. Something along the lines of One for assaulting a player and police officer, one a steward and both for unlawfully entering the field of play. For a moment of being a Billy big balls and having a cute little hug with each other, at least one will now get sent down, if they work possibly get fired for gross misconduct but luckily for them, they'll get banned for 5years and won't have to sit through any more of the Venky years...every cloud.

They were carrying on like they were Apollo Creed and Rocky Balboa after they had that race on the beach in Rocky III. Albeit more inebriated and far less athletic.

About the same level of cringe.

[NinjaTattoo]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

You don't buy the argument that them being able to sign 2 players for 23million doesn't give them an advantage? Am, ok. Teams and players can have all the passion in the world, but quality counts. Same as when we were top dogs and lording it over them 

How do you think Robbie Brady would get on in league 1?

Im not saying that , course it does thats why teams in decent postion of being able to do so will go out n spend £xx million on players knowing that they will get a return on investment in the ways of goals,, those players cost 23million "Fans shouldn't forget that their goals cost 23 million last night." the goals didnt cost that but I know where your coming from. 

Thats not to say that because we only pay a fraction of that we should get less, end of the day quality counts BUT on the day on the pitch no matter what price tag ( I still believe a price tag doesnt reflect the quality of a player but thats another debate) Id expect a Blackburn Rovers player playing against Burnley at Ewood put a shift in, run till you drop, come off at 90mins barly able to walk. Not coming away without having a shot on target.

like i say the score line was about right tbf, given where they are and how much we have fallen over the yrs but how many times have we played against team far far superior to us and ok we got beat but ffs we went down fighting.

Number of times I seen Ronaldo getting kicked off the park, Jones had Beckham in his pocket ALL 90mins, how many times did Tugay rule the roost in CM,  teams always knew coming to ewood your gonna have to be on your A game and whilst quality does rise to the top that performance last night and since the kean days we have lost the will to fight.

The further we slip downwards the more games like last night are a smack in the teeth BUT again Ill say this to play like we did last night is embarrassing not matter if its against Real Madrid or Chorley FC

[tomphil]

16 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

It's like any other walk of life, attitude is everything. I used to train apprentice engineers, the thing I looked for in a kid most of all was a good attitude.  Engineering skills I could put there but good attitudes, work ethic, honesty, admitting when you're wrong, etc can't be easily taught.

Our lot don't do things like the hard pressing you mentioned because at the moment that sort of ethos doesn't exist at the club.

Going through the motions.

It's been absolutely rife through the club in the last 6 years at every level with the odd exceptions.

[Pedro]

45 minutes ago, donnermeat said:

They were carrying on like they were Apollo Creed and Rocky Balboa after they had that race on the beach in Rocky III. Albeit more inebriated and far less athletic.

About the same level of cringe.

Hahaha! Great comparison. It was a beautiful moment for them I'm sure.

[darrenrover]

2 hours ago, tomphil said:

Some fair points but you have to understand there was always going to be a slightly hysterical reaction to any defeat v Burnley such are the feelings between the two sets of fans, always have been always will be. Any neutral who witnessed the pre season Lancs Cup tournos of  years ago would have been forgiven for thinking they'd just walked into an FA cup semi final or something so keenly contested were those games on and off the pitch.

Talk to older non Rovers fans across this area and you'll often get a tale of how they went on a Blackburn v Burnley game with some Rovers mates in the 70's and witnessed the shenanigans. These games are legendary around these parts and should ALWAYS be treated as such by whoever is passing through the playing or coaching staff.

Can they say they all gave it their best shot last night ?   Sorry but no and that's not good enough.

Anyway as you say we move on but failure to have a decent reaction on Saturday in terms of selection and performance and there'll be pitchforks out again.

You're right on every point tomphil.

It's not so much the defeats, it's the manner of the defeats and performances that's the concern.

We all want Mowbray to succeed as we did Bowyer because they are genuinely nice guys. Mowbray has had a relative free hand in bringing in the players he wanted and they do take time to gel admittedly but that does not excuse the apparent lack of motivation and effort to date. Add in the bizarre team selections and tactics and quite rightly Mowbray is being questioned.

We're playing the mighty MK Dons, Rochdale and Fleetwood in the coming weeks and it's only right that we expect and demand that they are all put to the sword.

I have some sympathy with Mowbray because it can't be easy working with the d1ckheads upstairs and the absentee landlords.

442, pace and passion and he won't go far wrong IMO.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

You don't buy the argument that them being able to sign 2 players for 23million doesn't give them an advantage? Am, ok. Teams and players can have all the passion in the world, but quality counts. Same as when we were top dogs and lording it over them 

How do you think Robbie Brady would get on in league 1?

Brady would do ok. He's at his level on the bench for Burnley. Not a Premier League starting player for me.

[Bigdoggsteel]

7 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Brady would do ok. He's at his level on the bench for Burnley. Not a Premier League starting player for me.

I think he will get in there and do well. Good hardworking pro. Definitely no Duffer