[Archived] Lenihan has broken foot

[philipl]

Any idea when he will be back?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Broken bones in the foot seem to take a while to heel. I wonder why we get so many of these types of injuries these days ?  I can't think of any similar instances in the distant past, it was more broken legs then.  Modern boots ( slippers ) could have a bearing on it.

[AllRoverAsia]

13 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Broken bones in the foot seem to take a while to heel. I wonder why we get so many of these types of injuries these days ?  I can't think of any similar instances in the distant past, it was more broken legs then.  Modern boots ( slippers ) could have a bearing on it.

The flimsy upper portion on the modern boot must be a factor as it cannot protect against much impact.

They give little foot protection........but look nice in pink, green, orange, blue  complete bowlacks.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

When I was playing ages ago Stan Milburn, Bobby Charlton's uncle, came working at the place I was at and joined our works team. Stan had been a long time pro and had played at the top level. When we were all getting changed I looked at his boots. They were like today's industrial safety boots with studs in them !  Quite heavy and  high sided on the ankle.  I was joking with him about them, comparing his to my more modern " Puma " boots. He said " Listen son, I've never had an ankle or foot injury in 20 years ".

[AllRoverAsia]

I was just thinking about an early pair of football boots I had.

A toe cover that was steel hard and I scored a few rockets with a 20 yard toey....Nail in studs...Laces so long they were used to bind the boot firmly to the foot...Dubbin.

Mind you I then got a pair with numbers on (Gola?). Supposed to help with shooting and passing as in knowing which part to use for a back-heel etc. Unbelievably stupid and embarassing to admit.

Can't do a shaking head emoticon.

[Pedro]

On 9/3/2017 at 21:37, arbitro said:

Something appears to be really odd here. If it is the injury he received a month ago and, despite scans and intense treatment it has only just been diagnosed then somebody should be held accountable. What I found really stupid about this was that he stayed on at Southend despite clearly having an injury. We had used all our substitutes so he went up front and tried manfully to run and kick the ball but it was clear to all he was severely impeded by his injury. I might have the wrong e d of the stick here but hasn't there been several criticisms of our medical staff recently.

'Our' medical staff didn't used to do the scans etc. The players would go to the local hospital or a private clinic like Beardwood.  The people who do the scans (whether they are at the NHS hospital or a private clinic) are often the same group of professionals (E.g. NHS one day, private clinic another - like Dr Batty would).  I know this because my wife is a radiographer and she has scanned many players over the Premier League years, whether they be ours or the opposition. She's moved on from there now, so I don't know if Rovers players go there currently.  Due to the costs of machines, it is highly unlikely that things have changed (in terms of getting MRI scans and high quality X Rays) but with our cost cutting,  it could be possible that they go to a cheaper clinic or there is even a basic ultrasound machine on site which is relatively cheap and can show certain levels of damage and the operator may not be as clued up as they'd like to believe, unlike the properly qualified staff at the hospital.  

What is most likely though, is the fact that feet are very complex with lots of bones, so you never know, something might have been missed. Also, there are different types of fractures that you can have. Some are when the bones are displaced, rather than 'cracked' which aren't as obvious and may need time to settled down to diagnose accurately. There's one called a Jones fracture that is like that and they need surgery because they mess with the flow of blood around the foot. Although conspiracies and bashing the club is much more common, it's probably one of those.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, philipl said:

Any idea when he will be back?

According to this, 'several months'.

[arbitro]

26 minutes ago, Pedro said:

'Our' medical staff didn't used to do the scans etc. The players would go to the local hospital or a private clinic like Beardwood.  The people who do the scans (whether they are at the NHS hospital or a private clinic) are often the same group of professionals (E.g. NHS one day, private clinic another - like Dr Batty would).  I know this because my wife is a radiographer and she has scanned many players over the Premier League years, whether they be ours or the opposition. She's moved on from there now, so I don't know if Rovers players go there currently.  Due to the costs of machines, it is highly unlikely that things have changed (in terms of getting MRI scans and high quality X Rays) but with our cost cutting,  it could be possible that they go to a cheaper clinic or there is even a basic ultrasound machine on site which is relatively cheap and can show certain levels of damage and the operator may not be as clued up as they'd like to believe, unlike the properly qualified staff at the hospital.  

What is most likely though, is the fact that feet are very complex with lots of bones, so you never know, something might have been missed. Also, there are different types of fractures that you can have. Some are when the bones are displaced, rather than 'cracked' which aren't as obvious and may need time to settled down to diagnose accurately. There's one called a Jones fracture that is like that and they need surgery because they mess with the flow of blood around the foot. Although conspiracies and bashing the club is much more common, it's probably one of those.

I once had to have a private medical done at Beardwood and the doctor was the one who did medicals for Sutton and Batty (I'm sure there were more but he only mentioned them two). He was orthopedic specialist and he pretty much concentrated on bone structure. 

Rovers used to have some kind of mobile scanner which they used to take to away games with them.

Something clearly has been missed but I don't believe it should have been. Perhaps from the early prognosis it could have been but Lenihan must have sill felt discomfort which should have rung alarm bells. A month after the original injury sounds quite ridiculous.

[Pedro]

Only just saw that it's a stress fracture. Treatment will be similar, it's about getting the blood flow going to that area again so it heals.  They start off resting (which he has) and hopefully that sorts it. Then when they follow up with another scan, if it isn't healing, they'll put a pin and screw in.  Everything fits in with that, so no conspiracy or cover up here.

[blueboy3333]

48 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Mind you I then got a pair with numbers on (Gola?). Supposed to help with shooting and passing as in knowing which part to use for a back-heel etc.

What if you got the numbers mixed up? Do you think this is what happened to (insert player of choice)?

[blueboy3333]

Just now, Pedro said:

Only just saw that it's a stress fracture. Treatment will be similar, it's about getting the blood flow going to that area again so it heals.  They start off resting (which he has) and hopefully that sorts it. Then when they follow up with another scan, if it isn't healing, they'll put a pin and screw in.  Everything fits in with that, so no conspiracy or cover up here.

Spoilsport.

[arbitro]

2 minutes ago, Pedro said:

Only just saw that it's a stress fracture. Treatment will be similar, it's about getting the blood flow going to that area again so it heals.  They start off resting (which he has) and hopefully that sorts it. Then when they follow up with another scan, if it isn't healing, they'll put a pin and screw in.  Everything fits in with that, so no conspiracy or cover up here.

He had three or four scans in the days after sustaining the injury according to Mowbray.

https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2017/august/mowbray-wont-rush-lenihan-back/

 

[AllRoverAsia]

Just now, blueboy3333 said:

What if you got the numbers mixed up? Do you think this is what happened to (insert player of choice)?

Don't know. I kept tripping over looking down at the numbers 

[Pedro]

Just now, blueboy3333 said:

Spoilsport.

I'm not saying that it wasn't Sheffield Utd. who picked it up though...so let the story run free ?

[Pedro]

Just now, arbitro said:

He had three or four scans in the days after sustaining the injury according to Mowbray.

https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2017/august/mowbray-wont-rush-lenihan-back/

 

'Scans' is such a broad term though.  To be honest, it sounds like they struggled to pinpoint it and tried various kinds of scan. It often goes to X Ray or ultrasound (that mobile scanner you mentioned) and then to MRI (the expensive/detailed one). Or maybe someone just waggled the ultrasound probe on his foot for a few days in a row hoping for the best?

[blueboy3333]

4 minutes ago, Pedro said:

I'm not saying that it wasn't Sheffield Utd. who picked it up though...so let the story run free ?

Ah, so your saying Sheff Utd paid for the treatment?

I knew it!

[K-Hod]

1 hour ago, AllRoverAsia said:

The flimsy upper portion on the modern boot must be a factor as it cannot protect against much impact.

They give little foot protection........but look nice in pink, green, orange, blue  complete bowlacks.

A very good and often overlooked point is this. A lot of them are synthetic nowadays rather than leather (I think for the benefit of quicker players), problem is, like you say, they are more flimsy!

Can't go wrong with an old school pair of Kaisers or Copa Mondials!

[Bigdoggsteel]

Ya, the boots nowadays are terrible for protection. Even if a big lads stands on your foot you are likely to break it. I have seen a Nike pair recently that looked like they were knitted. Crazy. You wouldn't have seen Kevin Moran or Colin Hendry wear that rubbish. 

[Skiptonrover]

All your Nike, adidas etc, it's all made in far eastern sweatshops mass produced for the western market imo the quality isn't there. The price that people pay it could be made here with less profit margins & a better deal for the economy.

[RV Blue]

I can half understand a quick wideman wearing crappy flimsy boots but not a supposed hard centre back.

[Tugay's Right Foot]

5 hours ago, RV Blue said:

I can half understand a quick wideman wearing crappy flimsy boots but not a supposed hard centre back.

they are so light and almost-not-there that they can shave off 0.001 secs off the first few yards of pace

[K-Hod]

8 hours ago, Bluebarley said:

All your Nike, adidas etc, it's all made in far eastern sweatshops mass produced for the western market imo the quality isn't there. The price that people pay it could be made here with less profit margins & a better deal for the economy.

The cost of renting premises and paying wages would be miles more though....

[Skiptonrover]

1 hour ago, K-Hod said:

The cost of renting premises and paying wages would be miles more though....

Wages would, premises would be offset with the purchasing model. It's all profit a Nike tee-shirt superdry or whatever made in Bangladesh ect I think it's exploitation to a degree regarding the labour aspect. There's no reason why we can't create our own manufacturing hubs instead of Outsourcing some items elsewhere, the quality would improve as well.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

37 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

The cost of renting premises and paying wages would be miles more though....

My first really good pair of boots ( PUMA, just like the ones Keith Newton was wearing at the time )  ) came  from a sports shop in central Manchester that was run by a ex England and Lancashire cricketer. When I'd chosen the ones I liked best  I discovered that they were £5.50 and I only had  £5.00 with me. 

I was really gutted and the guy must have seen how I felt. He said " I'll tell you what son, give me the £5.00 and bring me the £0.50 next week ". 

Can you see that happening now ?

The following Saturday I went over with my ten bob note.

[AllRoverAsia]

11 hours ago, Bluebarley said:

All your Nike, adidas etc, it's all made in far eastern sweatshops mass produced for the western market imo the quality isn't there. The price that people pay it could be made here with less profit margins & a better deal for the economy.

The boots are made to specific design and quality control of the 'brand'.

The 'sweatshops' are a bit more modern that the name suggests. Labour exploitation is more country specific.