[Archived] Rovers v Charlton

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31 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Yes but neither of them are managing Blackburn Rovers.

Aside from some devastatingly good spells in matches, I wouldn't say we've exactly dominated matches. That's what you're alluding to with regards to possession, but there's enough evidence to suggest that possession can be irrelevant.

The only statistic that matters is the result, which we're producing consistently now without being dominant. If you're bothered by possession, Tyrone, then you'll be waiting a very long time for that to happen at this club. It simply does not matter.

[JHRover]

15 hours ago, toogs said:

The music for many years was deafening to the point of not being able to have a conversation with the person stood next to you. I think that is more important. I go to gigs for loud music. 

I don't remember it ever being that loud. At present there is no point even playing music before the match because it is so quiet it can't be heard. People wonder why the atmosphere at home games is so poor and I think one of the reasons is the lack of effort before and during the game to create this. Nobody goes to the game for loud music but I've been to places like Stoke and Millwall where the home club goes to lengths to stir up the home fans before the game and it clearly contributes to the atmosphere.

Playing 'the wild Rover' and 'final countdown' every week at inaudible volumes is weary and certainly isn't going to get the atmosphere going as the players emerge from the tunnel.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Phil T said:

I still think Lenihan might go in the transfer window, but if he doesn't..

We should put Lenihan on defence, alongside Downing, and push Mulgrew into central midfield, alongside Smallwood. Mulgrew has been great in defence for us, but at the end of the day, he is a better midfielder than defender, just as Lenihan is a better defender than midfielder.

At the same time, stick Evans on the transfer list, and let's give Tomlinson some fair game time when Mulgrew or Smallwood are knackered.

Mulgrew isn't a midfielder anymore, hasn't got the fitness for the role. Lenihan is a centre back but reading the Lenihan thread  so e rumours if him playing right back. 

on Evans, I think maybe it time to rid myself

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, JHRover said:

I don't remember it ever being that loud. At present there is no point even playing music before the match because it is so quiet it can't be heard. People wonder why the atmosphere at home games is so poor and I think one of the reasons is the lack of effort before and during the game to create this. Nobody goes to the game for loud music but I've been to places like Stoke and Millwall where the home club goes to lengths to stir up the home fans before the game and it clearly contributes to the atmosphere.

Playing 'the wild Rover' and 'final countdown' every week at inaudible volumes is weary and certainly isn't going to get the atmosphere going as the players emerge from the tunnel.

sorry JH, but the music has been far too loud for years now. 

I don't want music being too loud so that you cant hear your friends talking like we had the other week in Blackburn end. 

[toogs]

3 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I don't remember it ever being that loud. At present there is no point even playing music before the match because it is so quiet it can't be heard. People wonder why the atmosphere at home games is so poor and I think one of the reasons is the lack of effort before and during the game to create this. Nobody goes to the game for loud music but I've been to places like Stoke and Millwall where the home club goes to lengths to stir up the home fans before the game and it clearly contributes to the atmosphere.

Playing 'the wild Rover' and 'final countdown' every week at inaudible volumes is weary and certainly isn't going to get the atmosphere going as the players emerge from the tunnel.

I remember it being that loud in the blackburn end I can assure you. It was diabolical.

The best way to "whip the fans up" is on the pitch (player investment, running the club properly) so that you feel part of something good. Anything else is sticking plasters. Get the basics right first.

I personally have no complaints about the music volume at all now. It's much better in my opinion.

 

[JHRover]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

sorry JH, but the music has been far too loud for years now. 

I don't want music being too loud so that you cant hear your friends talking like we had the other week in Blackburn end. 

I'm talking about 3-4 songs here. One or two as the players emerge in the first and second halves, one as they walk off at the end of each half. Increasing the volume so that it can be heard will not prevent fans from communicating with their friends all afternoon. It doesn't prevent hundreds of thousands of supporters at other grounds who play music at a louder volume from socialising at the match 

I'm not asking for a 90 minute rock concert that prevents those attending from speaking to each other.. I'm suggesting one simple and cheap way of trying to improve the atmosphere at games and perhaps getting those at Ewood a bit more 'up for it' by varying away from the same tired old songs played at low volume.

[OJRovers]

What was the atmosphere like at Ewood yesterday? Any improvement?

[1864roverite]

16 more wins required happy Xmas ??????☄️☄️☄️☄️

[Rogerb]

15 minutes ago, OJRovers said:

What was the atmosphere like at Ewood yesterday? Any improvement?

Not much very quiet for much of first half however crowd did try to raise players when Charlton were having a lot of possession in second half.

[Cherry Blue]

13 minutes ago, OJRovers said:

What was the atmosphere like at Ewood yesterday? Any improvement?

Not really. Good repeat/joined songs from Darwen End to Blackburn End with Jack Walker Upper always in there. In truth with less than 10k being divided up around  ground, its nit likely to happen. As I've said before, credit to those who make a visible attempt to encourage raised voices. 

[Gav]

1 minute ago, meadows said:

What time do you get on Jack? I’m seldom on before five to three and never have been since I was very young to be honest. 

If someone asked me to produce a list Of 100 things I could give a toss about regarding the matchday experience, the DJ/records played before we come out would be close to number 100. 

I speak as someone who is passionate about music, buys hundreds of records and attends dozens of concerts each year...I really have never seen any more added value in any  link between loud records and football than when they used to have brass bands and police dogs jumping through hoops at half time. 

Thats because you're a Blackburn Rovers fan and don't know any better.

Ask Everton fans about Z-Cars, City fans about Blue Moon, Liverpool fans about 'You'll never walk alone', Leeds fans about 'Born Slippy' and even Rovers fans about 'The final countdown' - All songs that have played a part in rousing the crowd from a slumber on many occasions.

 

[jim mk2]

1 hour ago, toogs said:

I remember it being that loud in the blackburn end I can assure you. It was diabolical.

 

 

Agree with this. The music (muzak) was far too loud in the recent past. Even now it's too loud, and adds nothing to the occasion

But why do we have to have music blaring out at all ? Football's lost so much in recent years through lack of atmosphere so I would go back to having no music at all before a game.

A traditional football match of the 1960s would have a band marching up and down the pitch playing military-type music, then, with about 10 minutes to kick-off they'd march off and fans would take over singing and chanting their favourite songs  until the widely-anticipated arrival of the teams on to the pitch (no warming up on the pitch in those days).

It all made for a wonderful atmosphere that was generated entirely by the fans. 

 

[Gav]

16 minutes ago, meadows said:

 I rest my case. An overblown slice of faux Euro-auto-translate  metal is the best we can come up with? I’d sooner have the Four Pennies or “Eeh By Gum We’ll Make It A Day”

And I do speak as one who insists England teams at Wembley should emerge in pork pie hats and shades doing the nutty walk to “One Step Beyond” 

Even when we win the Premier League and staged the Monday night presentation we did no better than a pseudo-Beach Boys tribute act whose last hit was two decades distant to play Live on the Ewood centre circle 

Ten points to the first person to name them.  

You couldn't have missed or avoided the point more if you'd tried meadows.

Footballs coming home, Euro 96? New order Italia 90? Captured a nation.

 

 

[bob fleming]

22 minutes ago, meadows said:

Even when we win the Premier League and staged the Monday night presentation we did no better than a pseudo-Beach Boys tribute act whose last hit was two decades distant to play Live on the Ewood centre circle 

Ten points to the first person to name them.  

Dead Kennedys?

[Garage Flower]

Surely everyone is in agreement that blasting out Seven Nation Army every time we score needs to stop. Who started that was it Paul Lambert? Some legacy him turns up sells our best player, gets goal music after goals then @#/?s off after a few months. 

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, meadows said:

What time do you get on Jack? I’m seldom on before five to three and never have been since I was very young to be honest. 

If someone asked me to produce a list Of 100 things I could give a toss about regarding the matchday experience, the DJ/records played before we come out would be close to number 100. 

I speak as someone who is passionate about music, buys hundreds of records and attends dozens of concerts each year...I really have never seen any more added value in any  link between loud records and football than when they used to have brass bands and police dogs jumping through hoops at half time. 

(Clarification For younger viewers - the brass bands didn’t jump through blazing hoops at half time, just the dogs. If they had that pre-match I probably would get on early) 

Usually between 2:50 and 2:55. I don't think it matters what they do before about 2:57 but when the ground is as close to full as it is going to be then they should at least try to generate some sort of atmosphere. I'll stop short of encouraging Leicester/Fulham style clappers but a bit of imagination wouldn't do any harm. Alan Myers seemed to have a few ideas now he's gone its the same old stuff every week.

Yesterday, for example, we had the kids waving flags in front of the JW. The announcer then did the 'please welcome Charlton and Blackburn Rovers' line but it was with a complete lack of enthusiasm so much so I wasn't even sure whether the teams were coming out of the tunnel or not. Then at a ridiculously low volume they started playing 'The Final Countdown' as the players shook hands. 

I've absolutely no interest in music or particularly which artists/songs get played. I don't have a music collection of any description. But I know from experience that clubs can help improve atmospheres and add to the occasion through the use of music. 

As mentioned above, if Everton suddenly played Z Cars on low volume or Liverpool did away with You'll Never Walk Alone the pre-match atmospheres at those grounds wouldn't as good as they are famous for. Stoke had an excellent bloke with the microphone who got things going at the Britannia and then the players emerged to 'We'll be with you' played at high volume around the ground and unsurprisingly the Britannia became known for its noise and atmosphere.

Chaddy - I'm sure there aren't many Liverpool season ticket holders asking for YNWA to be turned down to a lower volume because they want a natter with their mates before kick off. I expect most appreciate it is part of pre match experience.

[blueboy3333]

Just now, JHRover said:

The announcer then did the 'please welcome Charlton and Blackburn Rovers' line but it was with a complete lack of enthusiasm so much so I wasn't even sure whether the teams were coming out of the tunnel or not.

He sounded clinically depressed.

1 minute ago, JHRover said:

I've absolutely no interest in music

Coldplay fan?

[Gav]

14 minutes ago, meadows said:

If your experience of football is enhanced by what music you associate with it, lovely.

Personally I couldn’t recall what was playing when we got promoted in 75 or 79, won the FMC to in 1987 or what played Before or after games in any season between 1991 and 1995. 

I was in Italy more or less the duration of Italia 90 so any enthusiasm for New Order passed me by I’m afraid.- as it has done  at any stage I’ve been on UK soil since “Everything’s Gone Green” and “Ceremony” 

With respect you're not the music fan you profess to be then meadows, or the football fan either, the two are inextricably linked for many. 

 

[blueboy3333]

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A good match blog from an Addicks perspective.

[Mattyblue]

As others have said they need to scrap the goal music immediately. When Graham made it 2-0 the ‘ei ei ei o’ was drowned out by it.

One of the joys of football is celebrating a late goal, you don’t need the tannoy blaring out.

[Gav]

19 minutes ago, meadows said:

No I’m just not someone who sees the symbiotic link you do. That precludes me from being a football fan or a music fan? Congratulations on that deduction. 

It was your dismissive attitude to JH's post that struck a cord meadows.

Music has always been a massive part of the football movement, in 75, 79, 87, 95 and today, just for the record.

 

[bazza]

44 minutes ago, meadows said:

Personally I couldn’t recall what was playing when we got promoted in 75 or 79, won the FMC to in 1987 or what played Before or after games in any season between 1991 and 1995. 

 

The song " Hey Baby Ooh Aah" always reminds me of winning the League Cup in Cardiff in 2002.

Similarly The Proclaimers' "I would walk 500 miles" is associated with the FA Cup semi-final versus Chelsea at Old Trafford.

I still love listening to a recording I made of Radio Rovers' build up to a home game against Huddersfield Town in what is now known as The Championship in around 2000. There was an interview with Tony Parkes about our recent cup victory 1-0 at Anfield (Nathan Blake?)  The music was a mixture with D.J.Sakin "Close your mind for the love of a princess" being my favourite, building up to Queen with "We will rock you".  Wonderful memories of football stirred by music.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

Usually between 2:50 and 2:55. I don't think it matters what they do before about 2:57 but when the ground is as close to full as it is going to be then they should at least try to generate some sort of atmosphere. I'll stop short of encouraging Leicester/Fulham style clappers but a bit of imagination wouldn't do any harm. Alan Myers seemed to have a few ideas now he's gone its the same old stuff every week.

Yesterday, for example, we had the kids waving flags in front of the JW. The announcer then did the 'please welcome Charlton and Blackburn Rovers' line but it was with a complete lack of enthusiasm so much so I wasn't even sure whether the teams were coming out of the tunnel or not. Then at a ridiculously low volume they started playing 'The Final Countdown' as the players shook hands. 

I've absolutely no interest in music or particularly which artists/songs get played. I don't have a music collection of any description. But I know from experience that clubs can help improve atmospheres and add to the occasion through the use of music. 

As mentioned above, if Everton suddenly played Z Cars on low volume or Liverpool did away with You'll Never Walk Alone the pre-match atmospheres at those grounds wouldn't as good as they are famous for. Stoke had an excellent bloke with the microphone who got things going at the Britannia and then the players emerged to 'We'll be with you' played at high volume around the ground and unsurprisingly the Britannia became known for its noise and atmosphere.

Chaddy - I'm sure there aren't many Liverpool season ticket holders asking for YNWA to be turned down to a lower volume because they want a natter with their mates before kick off. I expect most appreciate it is part of pre match experience.

Within all fairness Liverpool's song of you'll never walk alone is their club song. 

We dont have a club song. I have no problem with music playing as the players come out but some of half time music is far too loud or before the game in concourse section. No problem with the song we played when we win at the end of the game. 

Playing loads of music isnt going to get me signing during the game. I dont listen to any artists or have any favourites anymore. I did like U2 and The Killers but now just listen to TalkSport or Capital Manchester when in car. Depends on my mood and where im going. 

I get to the ground about 2pm to 2.30pm. 

[Vinjay]

13 hours ago, Paul said:

In seven short words you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the very important role a club such as Blackburn Rovers can play in the local and international community. 

Matchday has always generated a significant local revenue for the businesses close to Ewood, from pubs, to newsagents, chippies and a couple of lads running a £3 parking lot. Matchday would regularly bring an average of 25,000+ to the area. It’s very easy to demonstrate how this can add £150-250,000 to the local economy at every game.

Of equal and possibly greater import was the influence in the 1990s of putting Blackburn and east Lancashire on the world map for millions who would never otherwise have heard of the town. 

One simple sentence betraying a high level of selfishness and ignorance. 

What has the revenue effect on Ewood based businesses relative to other areas of the town got to do with international recognition? You have taken my remarks completely out of context as have those who liked the above quoted post. Also take into account I was responding to a post that suggested supporting local businesses is one of the main reasons people should go to Ewood. Who's gonna decide to stop boycotting just because a local newsagents might make less money? Also I pointed out why those particular businesses should be regarded as more important than those elsewhere in the town?

I daresay those people who first heard of Rovers in the 90's haven't suddenly forgotten. As for me not considering international recognition important that's nonsense. In my selfishness and ignorance I constantly talked about marketing across the wider Lancashire region and globally. Though obviously at that point the club was in a much stronger position. Albeit one that was at risk of being eroded by serious neglect which others like yourself wouldn't acknowledge.

Independent newsagents, takeaways (no shortage of competition there) aren't gonna make anyone rich and as for public houses anyone with business smarts should avoid!

[Oldgregg86]

I always remembered the boys are back in town being played at the first game at ewood I went to. Rocking all over the world being played at the millennium stadium and dancing on the seats while the trophy was paraded. Even the champions league anthem while waiting in anticipation for Rovers to kick off whilst sat as a kid in front of the TV. Then the three lions anthem from 96 which imo will never be beaten although stop crying your heart out after England are eliminated is usually the song played as the light goes out. I agree music and football is and always has been intrinsically linked 

I went watching Liam Gallagher last night and he came out to football fans singing oh Manchester is wonderful so it can work both ways