[Archived] Is there really a problem with match fixing.

[lraC]

Apologies in advance for anyone annoyed at me bringing this subject up again. Although some posters on here have understandably pointed out, that the surprise appointment of Coyle, was unlikely to have made anyone rich, by betting on it, are there really any grounds for accepting, that club owners, or people who have influence in sport, never get involved in fixing of some description?

I read the article below this morning, as it was tweeted. Although this relates to a completely different sport, I can’t help thinking, that somewhere along the line, the answer to the perplexing ownership of our club, will lie in the gambling arena.

http://www.snookerbacker.com/2017/12/29/if-it-aint-broken/

 

 

[Garage Flower]

No there isn’t. Next question?

[philipl]

Making money on betting on the opposition is more reliable than betting on yourselves.

Seeing it is the season for panto..

OH YES THERE IS

 

 

[Hasta]

Snooker and other one on one sports are easier to fix because obviously there is only a single participant. I once knew of someone who took part Ina darts event that was prices up at the bookies and, as he was probably going to get beat anyway, we implored him to lose 5-0 and make us some cash. He refused so we all backed 5-0 anyway and were all gutted when he pinched a leg 

I struggle to see major footy league football results being fixed unless the result is beneficial to both sides (you often get draws on the final day in Serie A being priced up at odd on). However stuff like time of first booking and other spot bets such as that, I'm sure will be fixed regularly done quite regularly across the world. 

If you're pricing up Ethiopian Antelopes versus the Tunisian Tigers in a pre-season friendly you deserve to be had.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

There were rumours of devious goings on in the old days when players weren't on mega bucks as they are today.  Members of teams that were safe in mid table being offered inducements to take it easy against relegation threatened teams during the game etc. How many players would you need to be " off colour " to give you a big advantage even if the rest of  the team were busting a gut ? Three would do in my opinion, especially in the days before substitutes. The goalkeeper would be my favourite to have a word with.

No names no pack drill but I can remember some really strange goalkeeping performances in the past were the goalie in question seemed to be doing his best to get out of the way of the shot instead of saving it.

[Norbert Rassragr]

There's probably loads of match fixing in places like Singapore, or Hasta's Tunisian Tigers games. Lutz Pfannensteil's autobiography is evidence of that. And Serie A has often had match fixing scandals (Juventus were relegated as a punishment, and the World Cup legend Rossi came back from a 2 year ban for example). Oh and loads of referees in Germany were taking bungs a while ago. So it isn't outside the realms of possibility, however much a player earns. They can burn that money up like nobodies business if they develop a gambling problem, and the dodgy bookmakers would start tapping them up with something innocuous like the colour of his boots, and then reel them in. With club ownership being rather convoluted and cloudy in this country, who can really say some of these 'Chinese consortium' type of set ups don't have bad eggs?

I always thought the Man City 7-0 win against Sheffield Wednesday a season or two ago looked suspicious. It was a cup game, but watch Kirkland's performance, he practically jumps out the way for a few of the goals.

[philipl]

A handy guide for fixing a football match.

https://www.amazon.com/Insiders-Guide-Match-Fixing-Football/dp/0991823842

Declan Hill has never been sued for this by the way.

Read it and then ask yourselves, do these descriptions possibly remotely also apply to what I have read about certain Rovers manager, players and management and surely not to any advisers and agents? This is a genuine question, not a lead on and I am not suggesting anything beyond reading a book with an open mind. 

And of course is it unreasonable then to question the number of own goals two players have scored or what happened at least eight Premier League games in our relegation season with the reputed rows between manager and players and players throwing tantrums at each other in the dressing room and on the pitch and so on...?

By the way, you don't need to go to Africa or look at pre-season friendlies:

https://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110513/football/Norway-Malta-Euro-2008-qualifier-cited-in-biggest-match-fixing-trial.365098

http://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2016-12-04/local-news/Football-betting-and-match-fixing-bribes-For-the-sake-of-the-game-6736167467

http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/sports/football/71092/fifa_investigating_malta_football_game_for_alleged_matchfixing

Or to little Malta:

http://www.espn.com/soccer/blog/name/93/post/1839946/headline

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/dec/11/nottingham-forest-anderlecht-match-fixing-scandal-1984

[lraC]

The first time, I was ever suspicious of anything going on in an English game, was when Bruce Grobelaar was accused of conceding goals purposely. Some of those shown at the time, did look a bit suspect. More recently, I think a couple of Stanley players had a bit of a problem, in the last game of the season, a few years ago. Without looking it up, I think they bet on them losing their last game and that is what happened 

[dingles staying down 4ever]

I think players could quite easily pick money up without influencing a game by influencing other things like time of first throw in or time of first yellow card.

[lraC]

2 hours ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

I think players could quite easily pick money up without influencing a game by influencing other things like time of first throw in or time of first yellow card.

I think Matt Le Tiss admitted that in his autobiography. 

[JacknOry]

Yes he did - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/6130280/Matthew-Le-Tissier-admits-being-part-of-attempted-betting-scam-at-Southampton.html

[lraC]

30 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

Yes he did - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/6130280/Matthew-Le-Tissier-admits-being-part-of-attempted-betting-scam-at-Southampton.html

I am genuinely very surprised, he was never charged for that, as despite this not affecting the result, it is an attempt to extort money from the bookmakers and is therefore deception.

[Commondore]

Sweden has had problems with this lately, mostly in lower leagues but even one of the bigger games in the top division was postponed last season due to one of the teams' goalkeepers telling that he had been approached by an ex-player with the promise of cash if he threw the game. Seems to be connected to local organized crime rather than international gambling syndicates. 

[J*B]

Didn’t an ex pompy player say Redknapp instructed them to put the ball out for a throw in from kick off if they ever won the toss?

[lraC]

15 hours ago, J*B said:

Didn’t an ex pompy player say Redknapp instructed them to put the ball out for a throw in from kick off if they ever won the toss?

That may have been his dog, Arry is innocent!!!

[Norbert Rassragr]

Sounds like a Redknapp kind of move. How people saw him as a lovable hero is beyond me. He usually left clubs saddled with debts, won next to nothing and was probably taking bungs on transfers.

[philipl]

https://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20180109/football/six-malta-u-21-players-banned-for-match-fixing.667550?utm_source=tom&utm_campaign=top5&utm_medium=widget

Life bans from football for two youngsters.

 

[philipl]

http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/news/xtra/84183/football_corruption_were_up_against_organised_crime

[lraC]

It seems to be even worse in cricket. I saw a link on Twitter earlier this week and some of the goings on there were amazing.

[philipl]

Oh yes, cricket has a terrible problem. 

Again it all stems from betting being illegal and therefore unregulated on the sub-continent. Over £1bn (yes that's billion) will change hands illegally on an India v Pakistan one day match.

[Leonard Venkhater]

On 12/30/2017 at 08:21, Garage Flower said:

No there isn’t. Next question?

Irony?

[Norbert Rassragr]

1 hour ago, philipl said:

Oh yes, cricket has a terrible problem. 

Again it all stems from betting being illegal and therefore unregulated on the sub-continent. Over £1bn (yes that's billion) will change hands illegally on an India v Pakistan one day match.

On a related note, nothing to see here.............
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/uae-cricket-match-investigation-uae-ajman-all-stars-league-wickets-video-viral-match-fixing-a8186621.html

And here is the Man City game I may have suggested was dodgy before. Some very suspicious goalkeeping, defending and body language (especially Lampard's goal).