[Archived] Message to Venky's

[philipl]

1) Hope you enjoyed yesterday's match. That is what a real football match with real fans is all about with the promise of plenty more to come over the next 20 games

2) I hope you can see why appointing an agent to run a football club doesn't work. THEY ARE USELESS! At any level of football, you have very fit athletes and experienced coaches who know what is not a terribly complicated game inside out. Margins are fine and anything less than 100% commitment results in bad results. Agents are at least 50% committed to their own pockets, not to the owners and not to the football club they are running. Been a hard lesson for you to learn and excruciating for us fans watching you learn it.

3) Thanks for continuing to put the money in now the club is on very hard times three levels below where we would have been without being destroyed by the agents. Yes you have lost money through bad advice and your own misjudgements but all credit to you for keeping us solvent now.

[J*B]

  On 14/01/2018 at 09:23, meadows said:

Wolves not doing too badly on the counsel of an agent 

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They’ve spent 16m on a holding midfielder and are trying to sign a striker from Milan for 32m. Whilst in the Championship. They may we get promoted but history shows that sort of transfer spend in such a short time is a FFP disaster waiting to happen for a club of Wolves size. 

[philipl]

  On 14/01/2018 at 09:23, meadows said:

Wolves not doing too badly on the counsel of an agent 

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It is still illegal

[tomphil]

Odd reply to the OP that, almost defensive

How long will that last at Wolves ?  It could work anywhere could even have worked here if they hadn't installed their own stooge.  Object of any agent or agency is to get in stitch as much up as possible as quickly as possible before it goes pear shaped, that's business and that's what it is to them just business.

Wolves might go up but you only see the damage when the struggles begin and the sale of players starts for the %, massive turnover of players, staff, managers most with the same connections. Relegation with loads on huge long term contracts which swallows up all the parachute money all the while the % fly out.

No doubt it's more beneficial to keep a club in the Prem as it allows more lucrative double dealing but once it begins to slide it's a case of get as much out as quickly as you can regardless of where it ends up or what's left.

Lets have a look at Wolves in 3 or 4 years time before spouting off.

[blueboy3333]

  On 14/01/2018 at 09:23, meadows said:

Wolves not doing too badly on the counsel of an agent 

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That doesn't make it right.

[Bigdoggsteel]

The difference with wolves is they appointed a good manager and signed players who improved on what they had. 

[tomphil]

Maybe their owner has actually read a book about football before he bought the club and is directing the agent rather than the other way around.

[Stuart]

Message to Venkys: SELL.

[blueboy3333]

  On 14/01/2018 at 11:52, meadows said:

Yes and there’s no law of the land or rule within Football that says an individual managing a football club is forbidden to regard the word of one particular advisor above others. 

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There is against 3rd party ownership of players. People more connected than you and I see that as being a possibility at Rovers. It is widely used in Portugal and Portuguese speaking countries. What a strange coincidence.

 

[Dunnfc]

  On 14/01/2018 at 11:31, Bigdoggsteel said:

The difference with wolves is they appointed a good manager and signed players who improved on what they had. 

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And players who belong to Mendez agency or the traffic group who equally operate out of Portugal and even own Estoril. 

Heavy into Monaco and Benfica, look at the players from there and Manutd, Wolves who are swapping about. If they don't make it at one team of they pop to Wolves. The benfica ones pre Monaco were certainly part owned by Mendez like lindlof at Man Utd, he's artificially Inflating fees by moving them on between each other and hiding ownership which is permitted in Portugal just not the Uk.

Jota,

Neves,

Miranda,

Costa,

Cavaleiro,

January target Felipe Oliveria (Norwich) and signed young Spanish kid from Valencia are all Gestitfute clients. Gestifute who've been wheeling and dealing with the rights of some of the above. 

Darren Dein davids son and Jerome Anderson prodigy is equally replicating our misfortune on Birmingham as they're all his "recommendations". 

[Norbert Rassragr]

The club looks like it is being run by Mr. Mendes. The transfers are carefully managed to fit into a country's rules, whilst the Portuguese clubs get little money from transfers, and are like those zombie ants that are infected with a parasitic fungus.

It will eventually end in tears for Wolves, and they'll have a Portsmouth style collapse, with Mendes and friends running off with the money. The set up is just a higher class, better managed situation we have/had with Jerome Anderson.

[philipl]

  On 14/01/2018 at 12:41, meadows said:

I honestly can’t imagine myself or anyone else objecting if Rovers suddenly spent a raft of cash through one trusted agent of an obviously talented manager and stood double figures clear of the Championship play-off places though. 

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Steve Kean cough

The question at Ewood is was it one trusted agent of an obviously untalented manager put  into rubber stamp said agent's economic interests?

[Hasta]

But Wolves were never an established premier league club basking in the mega millions of  premier league riches at the time their agent got involved.The signings and transfer dealings they are making are obviously improving the club. The moves they have made on paper are logical.

Ours were not. The ins and outs of players and managers that we made were obviously done to make money for certain people and certainly were detrimental to the clubs performance. 

An equivalent scenario to what happened to us would be If an agent took over Leiceater now, sold Vardy, Ndidi, Mahrez and Schmeical and brought in his own lad, some random South Americans and a coach that had never managed to be manager. Then they were relegated.

[blueboy3333]

  On 14/01/2018 at 12:29, meadows said:

Which players at Wolves are “third party owned?”

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Maybe a few of the ones they've signed since he and his client manager (sound familiar?) have been there? Who knows?  I'm sure the FA are on the case though. Oh, hang on...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/19/jorge-mendes-wolves-influence-chinese-owners-signings

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/22/-sp-jorge-mendes-agent-third-party-ownership-players

I'm sure it's all above board though

[Dunnfc]

  On 14/01/2018 at 13:07, Hasta said:

But Wolves were never an established premier league club basking in the mega millions of  premier league riches at the time their agent got involved.The signings and transfer dealings they are making are obviously improving the club. The moves they have made on paper are logical.

Ours were not. The ins and outs of players and managers that we made were obviously done to make money for certain people and certainly were detrimental to the clubs performance. 

An equivalent scenario to what happened to us would If an agent took over Leiceater now, sold Vardy, Ndidi, Mahrez and Schmeical and brought in his own lad, some random South Americans and a coach that had never managed to be manager. Then they were relegated.

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Let's no go forgetting the roles of Paul Agnew in this either. Another of Jeromes worms.

[philipl]

Back to the intent of the original post, I do genuinely hope Venky's enjoyed watching yesterday's game.

[Leonard Venkhater]

  On 14/01/2018 at 13:27, philipl said:

Back to the intent of the original post, I do genuinely hope Venky's enjoyed watching yesterday's game.

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LOL

[blueboy3333]

  On 14/01/2018 at 14:16, meadows said:

Well Third Party

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??????

[AJW]

I just get the feeling wolves are heading for  a QPR sized fall 

[Dunnfc]

Wolves 34 million euros bid turned down for yep a Portuguese gestifute Mendez player https://www.football-italia.net/115349/wolves-approach-andre-silva

[Norbert Rassragr]

What a coincidence regarding the agent representing the player. I believe Meadows is saying there's nothing to see here, as Mendes would just happen to trouser a nice cheque if that move came off. Nope, no corruption like what happened under Kean at all.

My message to Venky's is just sell up and eff off you clowns. 

[Craigman]

  On 14/01/2018 at 08:54, philipl said:

1) Hope you enjoyed yesterday's match. That is what a real football match with real fans is all about with the promise of plenty more to come over the next 20 games

2) I hope you can see why appointing an agent to run a football club doesn't work. THEY ARE USELESS! At any level of football, you have very fit athletes and experienced coaches who know what is not a terribly complicated game inside out. Margins are fine and anything less than 100% commitment results in bad results. Agents are at least 50% committed to their own pockets, not to the owners and not to the football club they are running. Been a hard lesson for you to learn and excruciating for us fans watching you learn it.

3) Thanks for continuing to put the money in now the club is on very hard times three levels below where we would have been without being destroyed by the agents. Yes you have lost money through bad advice and your own misjudgements but all credit to you for keeping us solvent now.

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I assume the Venky's were at the games yesterday then! How come?

[Gav]

Despite meadows affection for agents running football clubs he fails to mention Walter Zenga an absolute disaster at Wolves, who Mendez first appointed, then Lambert who had players bought he never wanted and also failed miserably.

So whilst it's going well at the moment it won't last, it can't last, it's all about money money money.

oh yes and a message to Venkys:

The sooner you **** off the better.

[tomphil]

Sunderland, Villa etc all enjoyed an influx of cash from new ownership and maybe a little purple patch but look at them now. No long term plan it's all try for success in the short term and that's all agents care about make it whilst you have chance.

Oddly we seemed to be one of the only ones who didn't receive a massive influx of cash, not even what was promised in sale terms at first. Quite the opposite the cutbacks and black holes in the finances started almost straight away, seemed as though some where intent on getting their initial stake money back asap.

Stinker.

[Leonard Venkhater]

  On 14/01/2018 at 16:22, Craigman said:

I assume the Venky's were at the games yesterday then! How come?

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Haha..No, I just thought it was a kind of therapeutic intervention to prompt change in behaviour.

Think.psychiatric adolescent unit. Angry adolescent has run amok, smashing windows, ,breaking the 26 " TV, smearing unmentionable over the walls and even attacking staff.

Dr Philip, the psychiatrist, begins by praising him for the fact that he tidied his room that morning!