The Godlike Genius of Charlie Mulgrew

[Hasta]

1 hour ago, DE. said:

We're still scoring goals, we're just back to conceding 2+ a match which Mulgrew isn't going to help with.

 We are still scoring away from home. Excluding the brum penalty, its just 2 goals from open play in last 4 game at Ewood.

[DE.]

Just now, Hasta said:

 We are still scoring away from home. Excluding the brum penalty, its just 2 goals from open play in last 4 game at Ewood.

Problem is I looked back at the goals Mulgrew scored last season a while ago and I don't think we won any game he scored in. Possibly one - but generally speaking his goals counted for nothing other than a slight improvement on our goal difference. 

I'm not sure Mulgrew coming back under Mowbray is realistic anyway. His sudden departure was very strange and it feels like something happened between them which might not be reconcilable. 

Edited January 1, 2020 by DE.

[Hasta]

Just now, DE. said:

Problem is I looked back at the goals Mulgrew scored last season a while ago and I don't think we won any game he scored in. Possibly one - but generally speaking his goals counted for nothing other than a slight improvement on our goal difference. 

I'm not sure Mulgrew coming back under Mowbray is realistic anyway. His sudden departure was very strange and it feels like something happened between them which might not be reconcilable. 

I agree in general. I just think his free kick delivery was so much better that we scored more goals from corners and free kicks into the box. Statistically that may be wrong.

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, DE. said:

Problem is I looked back at the goals Mulgrew scored last season a while ago and I don't think we won any game he scored in. Possibly one - but generally speaking his goals counted for nothing other than a slight improvement on our goal difference. 

I'm not sure Mulgrew coming back under Mowbray is realistic anyway. His sudden departure was very strange and it feels like something happened between them which might not be reconcilable. 

The way we are fixed for injury prone centre halves/defenders I'd have him back. He'd be better than having to play Smallwood or Evans at centre half for instance Magloire is back playing for Rochdale. He's been starting at right back for them. When does his loan end ? I've got tickets for the Rochdale v Newcastle FA Cup game on Saturday and I was hoping to do a bit of scouting.

Edited January 1, 2020 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[DE.]

Just now, Hasta said:

I agree in general. I just think his free kick delivery was so much better that we scored more goals from corners and free kicks into the box. Statistically that may be wrong.

 

I don't think he had any assists last season, although obviously that doesn't account for knock-downs, scrambles, etc from his free kicks. He just wasn't directly putting any set pieces onto the head or feet of our players to score. He was great at hitting the net from those kinds of positions for sure though. According to Transfermarkt he only has one assist for this season and no goals, but I don't know if he's on set piece duty for Wigan. 

[DE.]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

The way we are fixed for injury prone centre halves/defenders I'd have him back. He'd be better than having to play Smallwood or Evans at centre half for instance Magloire is back playing for Rochdale. When does his loan end ? I've got tickets for the Rochdale v Newcastle FA Cup game on Saturday and I was hoping to do a bit of scouting.

Just shows how shit our transfer business has been when we're talking about bringing Mulgrew back to play in defence!

[OscarRaven]

Back at Rovers at his own request. Odd one. That's a hefty wad of cash keeping the bench warm.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18162508.rovers-defender-opts-cut-short-loan-spell-wigan/

[simongarnerisgod]

please don`t put him at centre back tony,stick him in midfield to replace evans,he can use his passing ability,the speed we play,he`ll see plenty of the ball

[joey_big_nose]

1 hour ago, simongarnerisgod said:

please don`t put him at centre back tony,stick him in midfield to replace evans,he can use his passing ability,the speed we play,he`ll see plenty of the ball

He won't be closing anyone down though.....

I can only hope he has come back as he thinks he may get a move. To say he is finished at Rovers is to put it mildly.

[DE.]

16 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

He won't be closing anyone down though.....

I can only hope he has come back as he thinks he may get a move. To say he is finished at Rovers is to put it mildly.

With the way we play we really need both CM's closing down and working hard. A Tugay-esque player doesn't fit into our current setup. Part of the reason Evans/Travis go so well together is that they both get around the pitch - Travis roaming a little whilst Evans sweeps up behind him. Mulgrew hasn't got the legs for either role so I don't foresee putting him in midfield going very well.

[pjt]

I suspect this might be a case of I will ask to go back, you then sign me permanently for no fee as they don't want to pay my wages to sit on the bench, and you save the loan fee for the rest of the season.  May be wrong though!

[Giant]

Or maybe he just loves it at Rovers and just wants to see if he can get back into the team.

[Mr. E]

Is there any position we can play him other than anywhere in defense? Brilliant at set pieces and we are desperately missing a specialist in that area, but he simply cannot play in the back anymore, no way. But I'm not sure where he can play with his lack of space. CM somewhere? Eh this is a hard one.

Football Manager team would be (not a serious suggestion):

Travis - Mulgrew - Evans/Johnson

Gallagher -  Graham -  Armstrong

So a 4-3-3 and abandon wing play basically, go through the middle.

Edited January 15, 2020 by Mr. E

[Hasta]

16 minutes ago, pjt said:

I suspect this might be a case of I will ask to go back, you then sign me permanently for no fee as they don't want to pay my wages to sit on the bench, and you save the loan fee for the rest of the season.  May be wrong though!

I suspect it's more of a case of him knowing we have paid players off previously.

It's not working out for him at Wigan so he may as well go back and see if he can get a lump sum from Rovers to pay him to terminate his contract. Opens his options for next year.

[Proudtobeblue&white]

Am I being cynical, but if I'm on £x amount of loads per week for the next eighteen months, go home, and either sit out my contract, or force a pay off?  Happy days!

Edited January 15, 2020 by Proudtobeblue&white

[Blue blood]

44 minutes ago, pjt said:

I suspect this might be a case of I will ask to go back, you then sign me permanently for no fee as they don't want to pay my wages to sit on the bench, and you save the loan fee for the rest of the season.  May be wrong though!

If this were the case it's a bit devious and disloyal to a club that stood by him and helped his career no end, but I wouldn't be that unhappy (or unhappy at all) as we had got him off the books. 

[AllRoverAsia]

The Mulgrew situation has its origin with those generous folk chucking other people's money around on contract extensions largely based on the Manger's amazing feat on getting those same players to achieve promotion from the depths of L1.

Go for it Charlie, whatever you are up to

[Silas]

"Since Mulgrew signed stats for league games from transfermarkt.com:

With Mulgrew in team
12 games
Clean sheets 4
Goals conceeded 15
Wins: 3
Draws: 3
Loses: 6
Win ratio: 25%
Clean sheet ratio: 33%
Conceed ratio: 1.25

Without Mulgrew
14 games
Clean sheets: 1
Goals conceeded: 24
Wins: 1
Draws: 4
Loses: 9
Win ratio: 7%
Clean sheet ratio: 7%
Conceed ratio: 1.71

So no loss in Mulgrew then as we only won more games, conceeded less and kept more clean sheets with him in the team..."

 

From a Wigan messageboard. They're arguing over how big a loss he is to them.

Didn't we have similar stats on here that showed the exact opposite for us?! 

[bluebruce]

12 minutes ago, Silas said:

"Since Mulgrew signed stats for league games from transfermarkt.com:

With Mulgrew in team
12 games
Clean sheets 4
Goals conceeded 15
Wins: 3
Draws: 3
Loses: 6
Win ratio: 25%
Clean sheet ratio: 33%
Conceed ratio: 1.25

Without Mulgrew
14 games
Clean sheets: 1
Goals conceeded: 24
Wins: 1
Draws: 4
Loses: 9
Win ratio: 7%
Clean sheet ratio: 7%
Conceed ratio: 1.71

So no loss in Mulgrew then as we only won more games, conceeded less and kept more clean sheets with him in the team..."

 

From a Wigan messageboard. They're arguing over how big a loss he is to them.

Didn't we have similar stats on here that showed the exact opposite for us?! 

They sure did. And that was with all the goals he scored for us, which I don't think he has been doing there? Seems much better suited to Wigan than us, unless he was just in a comfort zone here.

Seems odd he has been told he will be 5th choice there if true.

[Silas]

12 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

They sure did. And that was with all the goals he scored for us, which I don't think he has been doing there? 

"How many assists did he provide? I must admit I was a bit disappointed with his output from set pieces considering his record apart from that one that hit the post can’t remember him being particularly deadly."

 

From same thread. 

[bluebruce]

10 minutes ago, Silas said:

"How many assists did he provide? I must admit I was a bit disappointed with his output from set pieces considering his record apart from that one that hit the post can’t remember him being particularly deadly."

 

From same thread. 

Oh, someone in the transfer thread on here said he didn't take their set pieces 

[Silas]

16 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Oh, someone in the transfer thread on here said he didn't take their set pieces 

"Mulgrew was definite 1st choice centre back, playing well and responsible for our only attacking threat with his set piece delivery before he got injured. Not sure how he suddenly transforms into a fringe player who was shit just because he left."

 

Not according to them. But who knows, football fans have form for chatting shit. ?

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, Silas said:

"Mulgrew was definite 1st choice centre back, playing well and responsible for our only attacking threat with his set piece delivery before he got injured. Not sure how he suddenly transforms into a fringe player who was shit just because he left."

 

Not according to them. But who knows, football fans have form for chatting shit. ?

It was DE on the other thread, and he was saying it was based on what they were saying on their forums...so fuck knows.

Maybe he got taken off them before his injury.

[Ossydave]

Its actually unbelievable how many fans on Twitter and the like are creaming themselves over Mulgrews return and suggesting he plays in pretty much every position on the park ?

Lovely guy, forever grateful for his performances in league one, but hell fire if you think he deserves a place in the team be it in goal, defence, midfield or up front you need locking in a cellar or something. 

[joey_big_nose]

I've had a cracking idea.... We could play him up front! Scores goals, got a bit of quality, not any slower than Graham....

In jest. But certainly would be better than Brereton. Not sure any worse than Gallagher...