[Archived] Rovers v Bury

[Mattyblue]

A few booed, doesn't take many voices to make it sound like the whole crowd are at it.

[Rogerb]

Watching Evans last night in the first half the thought crossed my mind I could be watching Jason Lowe such were the similarities in performance

[Bigdoggsteel]

13 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

'The minimum I should be able to answer'. Jesus. Because I've said we lack some width and height/physicality I need to produce a ready made list of players available for us to sign. Not my job. I'd say 95% of this message board has been saying the same over the past few months; it's hardly an alternative point of view.

Anyway, I don't want to detract away from the match thread further.

Saying you can't name one player we could sign to improve the areas you are naming as needing improving is poor. Saying that you can't because "you aren't paid thousands to do so" is a cop out. 

Anyways, stay on the fence ,but watch those splinters

[Hasta]

8 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Saying you can't name one player we could sign to improve the areas you are naming as needing improving is poor. Saying that you can't because "you aren't paid thousands to do so" is a cop out. 

Anyways, stay on the fence ,but watch those splinters

Nope he is right. You can expect him to watch our team and performances and comment on where it can be improved. You can't expect him to study every EFL squad and know who plays where and who is available.

It's ridiculous.

However if he spent 37.5 hours a week researching those teams he may well be able to come up with some names.

 

[AAK]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Saying you can't name one player we could sign to improve the areas you are naming as needing improving is poor. Saying that you can't because "you aren't paid thousands to do so" is a cop out. 

Anyways, stay on the fence ,but watch those splinters

There's no doubt about it, this squad needs another big overhaul if we go up. Armstrong, Payne, Antonson, Chapman will have gone back to their parent clubs, Conway is struggling in league 1 never mind Championship and could go, Evans could go. So Straight away we need 6 new signings. Then you're going to need upgrades on Samuel, Caddis and Gladwin who frankly aren't good enough in league 1. So maybe 9 new players. Some money will need to be spent via venkys, but will they do it? What they've spent this season they are going to need to triple that probably because they are going to need championship quality players to be competitive.

[DE.]

21 minutes ago, Preben said:

I'm away so didn't see the match. It seems it wasn't a classic but hard work saw us through. I'm happy with that. Did we really boo a team that finished at the top of the league?

There were audible boos at half time - fully deserved imo, we were shocking. Second half the short corners were getting some people's backs up. It was more disgruntlement than outright booing though, and I think it was mainly because we looked like we had no idea what we were doing with those short corners. There was no obvious plan and we usually ended up losing possession. When people saw the same thing happening repeatedly it obviously started to grate. Then we finally did just cross the ball directly from a corner (crowd pressure or instructions from the manager?) and it was still useless so I suppose we just aren't good at corners. There was also ironic cheers when our centre backs came up for a corner, which was unnecessary imo. We've been so poor at defending in recent times that I can't blame Mowbray for wanting to keep our defenders back, regardless of who we're playing.

The Sky commentators made a pretty big deal out of the crowd supposedly causing the players to struggle in the second half. It was funny firstly because it suggested we were actually decent in the first half, and literally right after they were having a go at the crowd destroying the players' confidence we scored. So, yeah. Don't think it had that much of an impact. We were crap before small sections of the crowd started booing and crap when they did start booing. We only looked remotely decent after the second went in and Bury basically gave up. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

9 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Nope he is right. You can expect him to watch our team and performances and comment on where it can be improved. You can't expect him to study every EFL squad and know who plays where and who is available.

It's ridiculous.

However if he spent 37.5 hours a week researching those teams he may well be able to come up with some names.

 

If he says a player is weak,than surely it's not too much to expect that he has an improvement in mind? Otherwise what is he comparing said players perceived weakness against? 

Example. A-Your car is a piece of crap. Says who? Me. Right,feck off. B- Your car is a piece of crap, an Aston Martin DB9 would be much better. Yes it would,but I can't afford that. C-Your car is a piece of crap, a Range Rover would suit your needs better because...... ah,OK,that's makes sense on how it improves on my car.

In the above replace Evans or whoever with car 

Suggesting an alternative instead of just criticizing brings far more to the conversation. 

[DE.]

Could replace Evans with a traffic cone last night and it probably would have been more effective tbf.

[Mike E]

1 hour ago, joey_big_nose said:

On reflection one option not majorly considered is Lenihan could play in midfield. He's a square peg like Bennett, but has more experience there.

I expect Mowbray will give that a shot next as he will be desperate for Mulgrew, Lenihan, Williams, Bell and Nyambe all to play but not convinced by 352 after last night.

So....

 

------------------------------Raya

Nyambe----Mulgrew-------Williams-----Bell

--------------Smallwood-------Lenihan

------------Payne--------Dack-----Armstrong

-----------------------------Graham

He's got a real selection nightmare at the moment.

The irony is that it's Lenihan's actual position

If Mowbray is to persist with 3-4-1-2 as yesterday, then play Payne in place of Evans, allowing Dack to roam more while Payne plays the initial pass and joins. Also, I'd play Nyambe in the right in place of Bennett (who I like, btw).

It also needs Williams to get passes in behind the opposition winger for Bell to run onto. The few times Bell got the ball wide, he frightened the life out of Bury, but for whatever reason Williams was reluctant to make those passes.

352 isn't awful, and we can use it well.

In the end, I feel the 4231 mentioned above by JBN is our best, but I'd have Lenihan at the back in place of Williams, and Bennett in the middle.

[joey_big_nose]

1 hour ago, OJRovers said:

Anyone know what was going on with all the short corners?

Think Dack and Armstrong fancied their chances to dribble into the area and create chaos. However didn't work out.

[JBiz]

1 hour ago, DE. said:

Second half the short corners were getting some people's backs up. It was more disgruntlement than outright booing though, and I think it was mainly because we looked like we had no idea what we were doing with those short corners. There was no obvious plan and we usually ended up losing possession

.Then we finally did just cross the ball directly from a corner (crowd pressure or instructions from the manager?) and it was still useless so I suppose we just aren't good at corners. 

The Sky commentators made a pretty big deal out of the crowd supposedly causing the players to struggle in the second half. It was funny firstly because it suggested we were actually decent in the first half, and literally right after they were having a go at the crowd destroying the players' confidence we scored. So, yeah. Don't think it had that much of an impact. We were crap before small sections of the crowd started booing and crap when they did start booing. We only looked remotely decent after the second went in and Bury basically gave up. 

The corner stuff was first half not second. We had a corner from the left and it was cleared by their centreback. We played the next short, worked a chance into the box but it came to nothing. Next time we have a corner, the fans seem to lose their minds! Booing your own team because they aren’t playing every corner the same.. that’s embarrassing for me.

The irony is we’ve never looked dangerous from direct set pieces like that all season. In fact I seem to recall we’ve scored 1 - (probably wrong) a Mulgrew at the back post after a flick on from Downing, all season.

To actually froth at the mouth shouting for us to “whip it in” with this in mind seems absolutely barmy, and as I said - thoroughly embarrassing. I think the team bowed to the pressure and put it in the box - hey presto, cleared easily.

I obviously understand that the frustration was cumulative, coming from being so wooden and poor first half but it’s not an excuse. As people rightly point out, booing makes a hell of a lot of noise and it made it seem like all the crowd had jumped on the teams back. We aren’t going to help the team if we act like this, and I will not change from that viewpoint. The frustration from the crowd made us far more nervous last night, it’s almost visible.

I've seen talk about “happy clappers” down the years, time to coin a new phrase; The “boo crew” need to wake up! 

 

[Tom]

2 hours ago, OJRovers said:

Anyone know what was going on with all the short corners?

I quite like them when used on the odd occasion to keep them on their toes, in fact Chapman scored from one at Ewood earlier this season.

The problem last night was there was no plan to them, we passed it short then didn't have a clue what to do with it.

We really need to work on our corners we win a lot but rarely make them count.

On the point of booing I booed at half time against Oldham but not last night, didn't think it was atrocious enough to justify that and the game was still there to be won, seen a lot say how counterproductive it is but on the evidence of first half v second half maybe it wasn't so, you can imagine the manager pointing it out in his half time rant!

Is it me or does Ripley look like he enjoys a kebab or three?

[FGS5635]

1st thing with corners is mulgrew needs to stop taking them. We lack height and cant have a centre half not in the box

[G Somerset Rover]

3 minutes ago, Tom said:

Is it me or does Ripley look like he enjoys a kebab or three?

A modern day Neville Southall. At the other end of the scale, looks to me like Lenihan could do with some feeding up. Looking very slender on his return.

[Exiled in Toronto]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

A few booed, doesn't take many voices to make it sound like the whole crowd are at it.

Mainly because everyone else was silent. I have to say that watching the Pompey game was an eye-opener (and ear-opener) to me as to what home support could be like. Imagine if that lot had just gone top of the table.

[JacknOry]

I know that Mulgrew is easily our best dead-ball specialist but the rest must really stink if he is taking corners. I guess Whittingham was initially planned/signed for this aspect too and he is out. 

Ideally we need a CB or two in the box for corners - not taking them.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Just now, JacknOry said:

I know that Mulgrew is easily our best dead-ball specialist but the rest must really stink if he is taking corners. I guess Whittingham was initially planned/signed for this aspect too and he is out. 

Ideally we need a CB or two in the box for corners - not taking them.

I’m getting fed up of Charlie’s inswingers, which seem to be on the menu based on us scoring from one once back in August.

[FGS5635]

Doesn't matter how good mulgrew is at corners if snow white and the crew are in the box

[JacknOry]

Just now, Exiled in Toronto said:

I’m getting fed up of Charlie’s inswingers, which seem to be on the menu based on us scoring from one once back in August.

its just, we dont really have any good targets in the box anyway as we are so small so its understandable that they have tried to think about doing something else. Why not just let someone else take them and throw him in the box?

[Exiled in Toronto]

2 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

its just, we dont really have any good targets in the box anyway as we are so small so its understandable that they have tried to think about doing something else. Why not just let someone else take them and throw him in the box?

Agreed, and I’d say the same for Dack for any knockdowns. Corners are the sort of thing Bennett should be doing, as he certainly isn’t going to score being on the receiving end.

[JacknOry]

Just now, Exiled in Toronto said:

Agreed, and I’d say the same for Dack for any knockdowns. Corners are the sort of thing Bennett should be doing, as he certainly isn’t going to score being on the receiving end.

Good point about Dack too, he could be a right menace in there or on the edge of the box for any that come back out.

[Giant]

When Smallwood does eventually serve his ban, the best move would be to put Lenihan in midfield.

[DE.]

59 minutes ago, Biz said:

The corner stuff was first half not second. We had a corner from the left and it was cleared by their centreback. We played the next short, worked a chance into the box but it came to nothing. Next time we have a corner, the fans seem to lose their minds! Booing your own team because they aren’t playing every corner the same.. that’s embarrassing for me.

The irony is we’ve never looked dangerous from direct set pieces like that all season. In fact I seem to recall we’ve scored 1 - (probably wrong) a Mulgrew at the back post after a flick on from Downing, all season.

To actually froth at the mouth shouting for us to “whip it in” with this in mind seems absolutely barmy, and as I said - thoroughly embarrassing. I think the team bowed to the pressure and put it in the box - hey presto, cleared easily.

I obviously understand that the frustration was cumulative, coming from being so wooden and poor first half but it’s not an excuse. As people rightly point out, booing makes a hell of a lot of noise and it made it seem like all the crowd had jumped on the teams back. We aren’t going to help the team if we act like this, and I will not change from that viewpoint. The frustration from the crowd made us far more nervous last night, it’s almost visible.

I've seen talk about “happy clappers” down the years, time to coin a new phrase; The “boo crew” need to wake up! 

First half, second half... it's all blurred in my mind at this point. I do agree that we are very poor on corners and have been all season. Short, long, medium... all the same, useless. You could say the same about the formation chatter, really. 4-2-3-1, 3-5-2, 5-3-2, 3-4-1-2, 9-0-1, 6-3-1... it doesn't really seem to matter. We roughly play the same regardless of our formation - slow, boring, plodding, until somebody like Mulgrew or Dack steps up to spark us to life with a little bit of quality. That's going to be our lot this season irrespective of formation, imo, so why spend time worrying about it?  

As for the team being more nervous after the boos, I can't say I saw that, although maybe it was more obvious at the ground than it was on the TV. We were terrible before any booing started though, so what was the excuse then? If the players can't handle a small amount of boos or the pressure of playing a smaller team at home then we had better hope we don't get into the playoffs, because they will totally crumble. 

[Hasta]

2 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

If he says a player is weak,than surely it's not too much to expect that he has an improvement in mind? Otherwise what is he comparing said players perceived weakness against? 

Example. A-Your car is a piece of crap. Says who? Me. Right,feck off. B- Your car is a piece of crap, an Aston Martin DB9 would be much better. Yes it would,but I can't afford that. C-Your car is a piece of crap, a Range Rover would suit your needs better because...... ah,OK,that's makes sense on how it improves on my car.

In the above replace Evans or whoever with car 

Suggesting an alternative instead of just criticizing brings far more to the conversation. 

Yes but at some point you have had to buy cars so at some point you have done research and looked into them because you are going to spend your money on them. Daft analogy.

I'd never heard of Bradley Dack and Harry Chapman until we were linked but I knew we could get better players than Jason Lowe and Liam Feeney,

[Bigdoggsteel]

4 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Yes but at some point you have had to buy cars so at some point you have done research and looked into them because you are going to spend your money on them. Daft analogy.

I'd never heard of Bradley Dack and Harry Chapman until we were linked but I knew we could get better players than Jason Lowe and Liam Feeney,

So you don't do any research on football,you just come on message boards and complain? Far enough. Well if you didn't know anything about cars, you would look pretty foolish going around advising others or questioning their car. Would you not agree? 

Well done on knowing we could get better than those 2. Who had you in mind, Kante and Messi?