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[chaddyrovers]

13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

In general hes been a threat in most games, and hes a very good intelligent footballer. Its a myth that his impact is strictly when coming off the bench. I feel like you are only saying that to staunchly defend Mowbray.

Samuel has done nothing for months and months, he has blown every chance hes had in that time and you seem to be in the minority who dont have any questions about his attitude and his body language. Everytime the ball went to him he seemed to lose it, he offered no threat against a slow Bradford team. If Graham doesnt make Monday then Armstrong should play central, hes smaller but the ball sticks to him much more, his attitude is excellent and hes on loan.

Like I suggested, I seem to be in the minority regarding Evans, he did some good things but he wasted 2 good chances and he gave the ball away so much. 

I saying it cos I feel he has more of an impact coming off the bench 

Samuel didn't lose the ball everytime so maybe watch the game back and watch it properly cos you are telling arent the truth. offer no threat? did you actually what the game properly? cos Samuel run in behind should have result in Bradford defender being sent off so clearly he offered a threat them???

[roversfan99]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I saying it cos I feel he has more of an impact coming off the bench 

Samuel didn't lose the ball everytime so maybe watch the game back and watch it properly cos you are telling the truth. offer no threat? did you actually what the game properly? cos Samuel run in behind should have result in Bradford defender being sent off so clearly he offered a threat them???

I know I am telling the truth.

Yes I was there, and Samuels performance was one that particularly frustrated me, and I was glad when he came off, and Payne came on, albeit he should have started.

[LDRover]

Samuel is crap. It's no coincidence that we got our goals once he was replaced. He won't make a footballer while he's got a hole in his arse and needs shipping out while there's a slim chance we can recoup some cash for him. 

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I know I am telling the truth.

Yes I was there, and Samuels performance was one that particularly frustrated me, and I was glad when he came off, and Payne came on, albeit he should have started.

No Payne shouldnt have started. Was very poor last game. 

Samuel performance didnt frustrated one bit. He lack confidence and needs a goal. 

You arent truth about Samuel keep losing the ball as its a lie. 

[DE.]

I actually thought Evans was average at best until Samuel came off, and missed a couple of very good chances. Our change of dynamic once Samuel and Antonsson were hooked seemed to help him perform a lot better, including his nicely weighted pass to Dack for the first goal. I don't think that opportunity happens with Samuel still on the pitch.

Samuel just doesn't seem to be on the same wavelength as our other attacking players, and is reacting with frustration. Whether that's due to a lack of playing time or a lack of adaptability I'm not sure. Either way I think it'd be best for all parties if he moved on in the summer regardless of which division we end up in.

[USABlue]

9 hours ago, Stuart said:

Not aimed at any one individual but the forum would be much healthier if quite a few followed that advice.

I also post on another forum - music-related not football. On there people have very different views about likes and dislikes but for some reason the responses to negative posts are completely different. Everyone seems to implicitly understand that opinions are subjective and even negative views are accepted. Nobody “isn’t a real fan” because if it. Shame that can’t be adopted on here.

The condescending tone (“real fans would..., etc.”) from those keen to shut “negative people” up is what causes most of the rows on here.

For a group of (mainly) blokes there are more grudges and longer memories that a free-dabber night at Gala Bingo.

To me, not that anyone cares, the real bothersome part is the name calling and not being man enough to admit if you are wrong.  Too many times I see a direct insult stemming from a difference in opinion.  Just because a person thinks differently does not make them stupid or a moron.  If you are wrong admit it, don't keep trying to find reasons to validate your mistake.  My 2 cents.

[USABlue]

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I thought it was very strange to see Samuel and Antonsson both starting with Payne on the bench and so it proved.

Samuel is awful, literally nothing sticks with him and he looks disinterested. Hope he gets shipped out in the summer. People saying hes young to support him but he wont get better with the attitude he seems to have.

Antonsson is technically so inferior to all of our other players, the ball bounces off him and his movement lacks any intelligence, he clogs up space rather than opening it up and it leaves the player on the ball short of options.

I felt like our attacking performance in general was rather fractured, rather laboured, that said Bradford were shocking and it meant that if anyone would score it would always be us. We have players that other teams at this level dont have, that get us goals with quality regardless of how good we are looking. We have played worse and we have played much better but it doesnt matter at this stage.

Payne has to be a starter from here on in, him Dack and Armstrong link up so well, they make runs for each other, the ball sticks to them, Payne was the gamechanger. We missed Graham as well.

Raya again was causing his own shaky moments from nothing, a couple of horrendous kicks and flapped once or twice, maybe he lost his concentration having not been tested.

Dack is a class above, alot wasnt coming off for him, wasnt his best game by any stretch but he always impacts games.

Bennett filled in well at right back, the defence had a weak underbelly with the injuries/unavailability but they luckily didnt test it at all.

Surprised Evans got picked out by Mowbray as man of the match, he gave the ball away quite a bit really. 

 

Funny, I thought Raya did better, kept most of his kicks in the field of play and actually came and PUNCHED clear a couple of times.

[Oldgregg86]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Antonsson was even worse up front earlier in the season, as lightweight and ineffectual as youll find. In his defence, he had a purple patch where he got a few goals from the wing therefore he merited a place and hes got some credit in the bank from that.

Now theyve tried up, his general game comes more into focus, and he offers absolutely nothing, you watch Dack, Payne, Armstrong and Graham all with their clever movement, one touch play and close control and then Antonsson (and Samuel) both look totally out of their depth, constantly losing the ball with their first touch, poor movement etc.

 

That's why I said lower league. I should of rephrased that as the lower end of the league we are in. He is a striker. Just a poor one who isn't good enough for rovers

[roversfan99]

Just now, Oldgregg86 said:

That's why I said lower league. I should of rephrased that as the lower end of the league we are in. He is a striker. Just a poor one who isn't good enough for rovers

Apologies, I wasnt disagreeing necessarily, to be honest im not too sure what he is and thats part of the problem.

[Roverthechimp]

Not understanding the criticism of Samuels attitude - thought he worked and tried and did some good things but didn't "click". 

Antonsson for me is a frustrating player. Gets in great positions, finds space and creates a few chances in every game but his finishing lets him down.

Also thought Raya was much more confident and decisive om crosses than previous games.

[philipl]

This is an even bigger result considering the result at Rochdale on Good Friday.

4 goal swing in our favour on GD puts us out of sight on that too.

[USABlue]

Yes thanks Rochdale

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I think we've seen enough of Antonnson to know he shouldn't be starting games for us. There can't be many more ineffectual players playing at this level. What  Leeds were thinking of payng a big fee for him I'll never know. Anybody still think we should be signing him on a permanent deal ? 

[Parsonblue]

30 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I think we've seen enough of Antonnson to know he shouldn't be starting games for us. There can't be many more ineffectual players playing at this level. What  Leeds were thinking of payng a big fee for him I'll never know. Anybody still think we should be signing him on a permanent deal ? 

Antonnson is rather like Samuel, in that they seem to perform better in away games than at Ewood.  Clearly, away from home we tend to look at hitting teams on the break and they get the space to run behind defenders which they don't get at Ewood.  Anotonnson has scored a number of important goals this season - prior to getting injured - by drifting in from the left so has made a valuable contribution.  If he could rediscover the form he showed prior to injury and if he wasn't overly expensive I might be tempted to add him to the squad.  Another factor to take into consideration would be the budget that we are working with in the summer but, as Millwall have shown, you don't need to spend a huge amount of money to be competitive.

[JBiz]

18 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I thought it was very strange to see Samuel and Antonsson both starting with Payne on the bench and so it proved.

Samuel is awful, literally nothing sticks with him and he looks disinterested. Hope he gets shipped out in the summer. People saying hes young to support him but he wont get better with the attitude he seems to have.

Antonsson is technically so inferior to all of our other players, the ball bounces off him and his movement lacks any intelligence, he clogs up space rather than opening it up and it leaves the player on the ball short of options.

I felt like our attacking performance in general was rather fractured, rather laboured, that said Bradford were shocking and it meant that if anyone would score it would always be us. We have players that other teams at this level dont have, that get us goals with quality regardless of how good we are looking. We have played worse and we have played much better but it doesnt matter at this stage.

Payne has to be a starter from here on in, him Dack and Armstrong link up so well, they make runs for each other, the ball sticks to them, Payne was the gamechanger. We missed Graham as well.

Raya again was causing his own shaky moments from nothing, a couple of horrendous kicks and flapped once or twice, maybe he lost his concentration having not been tested.

Dack is a class above, alot wasnt coming off for him, wasnt his best game by any stretch but he always impacts games.

Bennett filled in well at right back, the defence had a weak underbelly with the injuries/unavailability but they luckily didnt test it at all.

Surprised Evans got picked out by Mowbray as man of the match, he gave the ball away quite a bit really. 

 

We lost a player in the run up to kick off that’s why Samuel started. I also think he’s an asset for his age, especially third tier. I’m guessing you won’t agree as you “seem” to be completely out of touch on that one. He’s not a world beater don’t get me wrong, but how can you write him off on something he “seems” to have? More starts in a team more set up to play to his strengths, and I think you’d see more from Samuel.

Antonsson technically inferior to Paul Downing? I’d argue Marcus has a great shot, good in thr air, a good turn of pace and buckets of strength and energy. He’s certainly not a wide man though, a position he’s actually looked decent for us all season. He works really hard and can use both feet - decent option to me.

We are third tier. I think this escapes some people’s reality. We’ve played a 4231 pretty much for months using Graham as the link, yet you’d expect Samuel to pick up that role perfectly against two decent centre halves, after likely finding out about it 20 minutes before kick off. We attacked well but failed to capatlise first half then two subs directly influenced the play and ultimately carved Bradford up.

Evans fought hard, was combative and at times actually looked quite sharp with turning defense into attack. It was one of his better games and I think anyone who’s regulary watched Corry since we bought him would agree, he’s not had many of them recently.

Raya is still young but his technical ability (shot stopping, handling and kicking) is that of a very good keeper. I think he already looks more confident than early in the season, there is a reason why they say a keepers “prime” is in their 30s.

The only things I’d agree on is Bennett can play literally anywhere and do a job and Dack is easily a class above most teams on his own. 

It’s hard to truly work out just how good of a signing he might be in terms of our near future. Hats of to Tony on that one. 

[benhben]

Thought we looked a lot more balanced with Aamari Bell at left back than Williams. Tidier on the ball and keen to get forward with a bit of pace. Didn't do many things wrong defensively. 

Slightly worrying my phone spell check wants to call him alarm bell

[blueboy3333]

Antonnson has a great shot and buckets of strength? I've heard it all. His shots are like backpasses and he's dreadful at holding the ball up when played up front precisely because he's so weak.

He's a poacher because he's good at finding space on the box. He'd probably score a fair few goals in this league playing up front with someone who could hold it up and do all the graft for him.

[JBiz]

9 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

Antonnson has a great shot and buckets of strength? I've heard it all. His shots are like backpasses and he's dreadful at holding the ball up when played up front precisely because he's so weak.

He's a poacher because he's good at finding space on the box. He'd probably score a fair few goals in this league playing up front with someone who could hold it up and do all the graft for him.

I don’t think he’s a wide man, and he’s scored a few good goals for us from that position too. He’s not a lightweight either, I think you’d see that at a higher level because most teams are overly physical in league one, especially defensively.

Hence good strength and a shooting ability! He’s nowhere near DG, but I’d suggest both Graham and Mulgrew are top flight squad men on their days, playing two tiers below their own potential ability.

I think relative to the division, Samuel/Antonsson are very good options. I think Armstrong is already ready for the division above but I think we’d need more natural wide players if we are to keep a 4231 in the championship.

[blueboy3333]

Just now, Biz said:

I don’t think he’s a wide man, and he’s scored a few good goals for us from that position too. He’s not a lightweight either, I think you’d see that at a higher level because most teams are overly physical in league one, especially defensively.

Hence good strength and a shooting ability! He’s nowhere near DG, but I’d suggest both Graham and Mulgrew are top flight squad men on their days, playing two tiers below their own potential ability.

I think relative to the division, Samuel/Antonsson are very good options. I think Armstrong is already ready for the division above but I think we’d need more natural wide players if we are to keep a 4231 in the championship.

We'll agree to disagree on his shooting and strength! Agree about the need for wingers if we go up. Or at least one. I think our squad as it stands is good enough to make a mark on the championship if we get there. A dominant mobile central midfieder, competition at right back and CB and the likes of Armstrong returning and we'd have a decent squad. I thought Grayson was right when he said our squad/team is better than last season. Millwall & Preston have shown you don't have to spend big to do well. We might have to learn to defend corners and set pieces though.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Antonsson is absolutely garbage.  Good engine and that's where it ends.  Striker version of Lowe 

[Pedro]

18 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Antonsson was even worse up front earlier in the season, as lightweight and ineffectual as youll find. In his defence, he had a purple patch where he got a few goals from the wing therefore he merited a place and hes got some credit in the bank from that.

Now theyve tried up, his general game comes more into focus, and he offers absolutely nothing, you watch Dack, Payne, Armstrong and Graham all with their clever movement, one touch play and close control and then Antonsson (and Samuel) both look totally out of their depth, constantly losing the ball with their first touch, poor movement etc.

 

Antonsson is a serial scuffer and Samuel is a poor man's Marcus Bent. Both need replacing next season, regardless of league.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

11 minutes ago, Biz said:

We lost a player in the run up to kick off that’s why Samuel started. I also think he’s an asset for his age, especially third tier. I’m guessing you won’t agree as you “seem” to be completely out of touch on that one. He’s not a world beater don’t get me wrong, but how can you write him off on something he “seems” to have? More starts in a team more set up to play to his strengths, and I think you’d see more from Samuel.

Antonsson technically inferior to Paul Downing? I’d argue Marcus has a great shot, good in thr air, a good turn of pace and buckets of strength and energy. He’s certainly not a wide man though, a position he’s actually looked decent for us all season. He works really hard and can use both feet - decent option to me.

We are third tier. I think this escapes some people’s reality. We’ve played a 4231 pretty much for months using Graham as the link, yet you’d expect Samuel to pick up that role perfectly against two decent centre halves, after likely finding out about it 20 minutes before kick off. We attacked well but failed to capatlise first half then two subs directly influenced the play and ultimately carved Bradford up.

Evans fought hard, was combative and at times actually looked quite sharp with turning defense into attack. It was one of his better games and I think anyone who’s regulary watched Corry since we bought him would agree, he’s not had many of them recently.

Raya is still young but his technical ability (shot stopping, handling and kicking) is that of a very good keeper. I think he already looks more confident than early in the season, there is a reason why they say a keepers “prime” is in their 30s.

The only things I’d agree on is Bennett can play literally anywhere and do a job and Dack is easily a class above most teams on his own. 

It’s hard to truly work out just how good of a signing he might be in terms of our near future. Hats of to Tony on that one. 

We are talking about the Antonnson that plays for Blackburn Rovers aren't we ? I don't recognise that description at all. If he was good in the air he would have hit the target with that headed chance he missed on Thursday night. It reminds me of the people who used to say MGP was good in the air until I asked " OK, how many headed goals has he scored ? "

He's very average pace wise, very rarely beats an opponent,  and as for strength - I've never seen him take the ball off an opponent in a challenge yet.

He's a willing runner who's good at finding space in the box and he has two good feet. For me he just doesn't contribute enough.

I wouldn't sign him even if we stay down. He wouldn't get us out of this league and he isn't good enough for the Championship.

[FGS5635]

Antonsson has the strength of a 6 year old girl. I think I'd be generous with this guess, but I reckon when the ball goes to him, he loses possession at least 80% of the time.

I think he has 2 left feet, but is right footed, which is never a good combo.

[JBiz]

Got to say, I fair like Antonsson. Just an opinion at the end of the day really. 

 

 

[philipl]

Rovers supporters aren't happy unless they are comparing a player to a six year old girl.