Thursday deadline.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

16 hours ago, Pedro said:

Has Jim White got them yet??

That pr8ck. He's one of the worst. The last time he mentioned Rovers was when he declared "Venkys I'm coming to get you" on his sh*tty radio show just before chimp boy got potted. And did he do anything? Did he b&llocks. 

[chaddyrovers]

Jack Payne open to Rovers return

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/16214917.Payne_open_to_Rovers_return/

[JacknOry]

I would have him back even as backup for Dack but not sure he is the right man to start on either side of him. Still, young, plenty of resale potential and has some Championship experience.

[ChrisPriceBaldSpot]

25 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Jack Payne open to Rovers return

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/16214917.Payne_open_to_Rovers_return/

I know the lad hasn't exactly set Ewood on fire during his loan spell but I would certainly have him back next season. Has experienced promotion from the Championship and seems very keen to impress and improve. 

Any news on the lad from Hibs at all that had supposedly signed a pre contract agreement? 

[Herbie6590]

9 hours ago, Crimpshrine said:

But have Venky's really spent £250 million on Rovers?

Maybe they squirrelled away all the parachute money, the TV money, the profits from players etc and then used the same money to issue shares and loan money back to the club?

If they really have ploughed all that income back into the club and it has cost £250 million on top of that and we are still massively in debt then how do other clubs manage to survive without having the same problems?

It just doesn't add up to me.

Yes they have. It’s in the a/cs. The parachute money is paid to BRFC. Transfer fees are paid to BRFC. The TV money is paid to BRFC. 

At its simplest, our outgoings have outstripped our income for the whole of their ownership. (Outgoings would include transfer fees, wages, agents fees, advisor fees...etc).

On that basis an owner either borrows money to keep trading or injects more of their own cash. If neither of those happens, the company is insolvent & soon ceases trading. Venkys have done both.

This isn’t opinion, it’s maths. I’m not a Venky apologist but I do understand company accounts.

[davulsukur]

45 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Jack Payne open to Rovers return

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/16214917.Payne_open_to_Rovers_return/

I’d bring him back and I suspect now Hudds are in the prem for another season, he’ll be available. Only 1 year left in his contract so a permanent move away would surely be on the cards.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

19 minutes ago, ChrisPriceBaldSpot said:

I know the lad hasn't exactly set Ewood on fire during his loan spell but I would certainly have him back next season. Has experienced promotion from the Championship and seems very keen to impress and improve. 

Any news on the lad from Hibs at all that had supposedly signed a pre contract agreement? 

But do we want to spend what little money we will have for transfers on a backup player? 

[tomphil]

10 hours ago, Crimpshrine said:

But have Venky's really spent £250 million on Rovers?

Maybe they squirrelled away all the parachute money, the TV money, the profits from players etc and then used the same money to issue shares and loan money back to the club?

If they really have ploughed all that income back into the club and it has cost £250 million on top of that and we are still massively in debt then how do other clubs manage to survive without having the same problems?

It just doesn't add up to me.

Not much has touched the sides though and the share capital on the VLL books is what has under pinned the continued losses they've racked up plus maybe possibly the original purchase money and debt then.

God knows where the rest has come and gone from, maybe just moved through the club into other things ? Oversees ventures, partners pockets, other investments ?

There is still something at the heart of all this and remember the club was bought as a business tool not really a hobby.

[Bigdoggsteel]

18 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

But do we want to spend what little money we will have for transfers on a backup player? 

If good players become available and want to come here, we should sign them. Having 2 good players for each position is the goal, Payne would be an excellent signing on loan or permanent. 

I'm not sure Mowbray fancies him though. He played Dack against Gillingham and Bristol rovers when he clearly wasn't fit and then against Oxford, with Dack out, Payne didn't start. 

I think he would be a great signing though. He showed some real glimpses of quality and is a player with an x factor I reckon. I wonder how him and Dack behind a striker would go 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

22 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

But do we want to spend what little money we will have for transfers on a backup player? 

I know what you are saying but you need a good bench these days. It's a 17 man game now.

[chaddyrovers]

50 minutes ago, ChrisPriceBaldSpot said:

I know the lad hasn't exactly set Ewood on fire during his loan spell but I would certainly have him back next season. Has experienced promotion from the Championship and seems very keen to impress and improve. 

Any news on the lad from Hibs at all that had supposedly signed a pre contract agreement? 

I wouldnt bring Payne if we can sign Otzumer on a free transfer. If we dont then I would sign Payne if the deal is right for us

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I know what you are saying but you need a good bench these days. It's a 17 man game now.

The game is squad game now. Need a squad of 23/24 players good enough to complete at most levels. 

[Leonard Venkhater]

44 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

Yes they have. It’s in the a/cs. The parachute money is paid to BRFC. Transfer fees are paid to BRFC. The TV money is paid to BRFC. 

At its simplest, our outgoings have outstripped our income for the whole of their ownership. (Outgoings would include transfer fees, wages, agents fees, advisor fees...etc).

On that basis an owner either borrows money to keep trading or injects more of their own cash. If neither of those happens, the company is insolvent & soon ceases trading. Venkys have done both.

This isn’t opinion, it’s maths. I’m not a Venky apologist but I do understand company accounts.

I haven't studied the accounts.

I do keep wondering how much of this  is agents'  (partners) direct fees, how much went on salaries for Murphy, Etuhu, Orr, Goodwillie, Formica and Rochina. A  good percentage of those salaries would have made its way indirectly into the pockets of the same agents (partners). 

Then there is all the money spent on paying people off and maintaining their silence.....

[RoversClitheroe]

Please could you talk about finances in a different thread it's getting a bit tedious for s transfers thread. We all know the situation! Back to transfers please

[Herbie6590]

18 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Please could you talk about finances in a different thread it's getting a bit tedious for s transfers thread. We all know the situation! Back to transfers please

Good point, well made...?

[ChrisPriceBaldSpot]

1 hour ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

But do we want to spend what little money we will have for transfers on a backup player? 

I would be more than happy with him on loan. Oztumer on a free would be a better option. Chapman, Arma and a play making midfielder would be my priorities. 

[Bbrovers2288]

Wouldn’t be too disappointed with Payne back although I feel he is a bit lightweight.

see journos are trying to link antonsson with a perm here I hope that’s not the case

[Bigdoggsteel]

3 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Wouldn’t be too disappointed with Payne back although I feel he is a bit lightweight.

see journos are trying to link antonsson with a perm here I hope that’s not the case

I don't think they are trying to link him, they are just saying we have an option to buy. I doubt Mowbray will take that option up. Chapman and Armstrong are better options 

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I know what you are saying but you need a good bench these days. It's a 17 man game now.

Fair point. And actually with 1 year left on his contract maybe the price will be right as well. 

[Tom]

Out of all the loanees surely Anontsson is the last one we’d want to sign 

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

19 minutes ago, ChrisPriceBaldSpot said:

I would be more than happy with him on loan. Oztumer on a free would be a better option. Chapman, Arma and a play making midfielder would be my priorities. 

Out of all of the loan players we have had this year Chapman would be the one for me, different gear. 

[Commondore]

My shout for a new centre forward: Sebastian Andersson. Available on a free after having having scored 11 in 28 for relegated Kaiserslautern (German second division) last season. 26, strong, tall, hardworking, but still with a bit of pace and not a Heskey-like lump. 

https://www.transfermarkt.com/sebastian-andersson/profil/spieler/147573

[Mike E]

Just now, Commondore said:

My shout for a new centre forward: Sebastian Andersson. Available on a free after having having scored 11 in 28 for relegated Kaiserslautern (German second division) last season. 26, strong, tall, hardworking, but still with a bit of pace and not a Heskey-like lump. 

https://www.transfermarkt.com/sebastian-andersson/profil/spieler/147573

Forward it to TM

[ChrisPriceBaldSpot]

7 minutes ago, Commondore said:

My shout for a new centre forward: Sebastian Andersson. Available on a free after having having scored 11 in 28 for relegated Kaiserslautern (German second division) last season. 26, strong, tall, hardworking, but still with a bit of pace and not a Heskey-like lump. 

https://www.transfermarkt.com/sebastian-andersson/profil/spieler/147573

Says he is contracted until 2020. Looks decent though. 

[Commondore]

25 minutes ago, ChrisPriceBaldSpot said:

Says he is contracted until 2020. Looks decent though. 

Said in an interview a few weeks ago that his contract wouldn't be eligible if the team were relegated. Still, I suppose it wouldn't be the first time a player and his club had different views on that sort of thing.