Thursday deadline.

[K-Hod]

This isn’t a do at you, Chaddy, but I don’t like the approach of ‘can play there’.

We should have players that ‘do play there’ and are specialists. Not square pegs in round holes!

[JHRover]

23 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Marriott reminds me of Rhodes. No pace or strength. But scores goals. 

 

So if we were to sign either of them this summer you'd be unhappy?

[Admiral Nelsen]

Seem to remember that Sharpe poured cold water on the Edwards rumour when it was first mooted a few weeks back. Suppose things could have moved on since then though.

[JBiz]

1 hour ago, K-Hod said:

This isn’t a do at you, Chaddy, but I don’t like the approach of ‘can play there’.

We should have players that ‘do play there’ and are specialists. Not square pegs in round holes!

What like Bennett?

Its quite obvious from reading about Rothwell, he’s been used in deep central midfield but he’s more suited to attacking.

Play the players in positions they’re effective in. If he works as an inside left or wide forward, happy days. If he doesn’t, back to training. Thinking football is as simple as “defender or attacker, left or right, round peg, square peg” - it’s just too basic for me.

Edited July 4, 2018 by Biz

[JacknOry]

Edwards would be a decent shout, year left on his contract, decent age and seems to fit the hungry type of player TM likes.

[K-Hod]

Just now, Biz said:

What like Bennett?

Its quite obvious from reading about Rothwell, he’s been used in deep central midfield but he’s more suited to attacking.

Play the players they’re effective in. If he works as an inside left or wide forward, happy days. If he doesn’t, back to training. Thinking football is as simple as “defender or attacker, left or right, round peg, square peg” - it’s just too basic for me.

I thought you might take issue with this!

Of course it helps when players can cover other positions, but by and large, I'd rather we had more specialists. 

[JBiz]

Just now, K-Hod said:

I thought you might take issue with this!

Of course it helps when players can cover other positions, but by and large, I'd rather we had more specialists. 

I didn’t take issue with the post, I just disagree with the mindset that selections, squad option and rotation is simple. It’s complex and it relies on changing dynamics, I saw Bennett play once or twice in CM and felt TM was losing his mind, two weeks later I’m thinking it’s his best position..

Another good example from our team; Williams. Is he a left back or a Centreback? There’s no argument he’s got pro’s and con’s for both positions but I’d suggest we’d find it difficult to know what he’s better at- since systems with an attacking winger in front of the full back might suit him more, and playing LCB of a three might be even more suitable, whereas LB in a narrow formation leaves him exposed, and he may not be good enough as LCB in a two...

Its all opinions - even the best in the world play multiple positions, start in different places - and I’d expect younger players to be even more “mouldable”

Besides, proven and experienced specialists normally cost much more than something to develop and mould! 

 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

So if we were to sign either of them this summer you'd be unhappy?

I wouldnt be signing either. 

I would go Armstromg who gives goals, pace and has play either wide or Up front. 

 

[JHRover]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I wouldnt be signing either. 

I would go Armstromg who gives goals, pace and has play either wide or Up front. 

 

I'd like Armstrong but there's no evidence at this stage he can hack it in the Championship. If he's going to cost a Championship sized fee then it might be worth looking at alternatives who have shown they can do it.

[roversinmyblood]

Just now, JHRover said:

I'd like Armstrong but there's no evidence at this stage he can hack it in the Championship. If he's going to cost a Championship sized fee then it might be worth looking at alternatives who have shown they can do it.

But they would be out of our price range. At least with Armstrong he is young, has pace, two good feet, we know what he is capable of and his best position, but mostly with Mowbray's help he can hopefully improve. The fact that he has not been a roaring success in the championship with either Barnsley or Bolton should actually work in our favour as it should surely limit what NUFC could ask for him. A new loan with us where he is a success would put him out of our reach financially. Because of our financial limitations we have to take risks and signing him permanently should be one of them imo.

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Look at Mowbray comments about Rothwell and use the word invert winger. Plus he started at Man Utd as a winger. He played there 11 times last season. 

Odunajo can play either of the 3 roles down the right side. Full back, wing back and winger. Started as winger at Brentford. 

Marriott reminds me of Rhodes. No pace or strength. But scores goals. 

Daily Mirror. See my link please. 

Would be very happy with Edwards signing if it happens

Dont want can play there, I want pacy wingers out wide, not central midfielders under silly umbrella terms like inverted winger.

I know but I really dont want 3 at the back.

You massively underestimate the importance of a striker being able to score goals which is strange.

Not convinced on Edwards. Played ok for us but statistics are underwhelming in a lower league, would like us to aim a bit higher.

[JHRover]

Just now, roversinmyblood said:

But they would be out of our price range. At least with Armstrong he is young, has pace, two good feet, we know what he is capable of and his best position, but mostly with Mowbray's help he can hopefully improve. The fact that he has not been a roaring success in the championship with either Barnsley or Bolton should actually work in our favour as it should surely limit what NUFC could ask for him. A new loan with us where he is a success would put him out of our reach financially. Because of our financial limitations we have to take risks and signing him permanently should be one of them imo.

We don't actually know what the financial situation is. It is an assumption we don't have enough money to pursue Championship experienced players. That's why I said IF Armstrong is going to cost Championship level money, e.g. a substantial fee and wages, then I might prefer we looked elsewhere.

He's not going to make a do at Newcastle in the Premier League, certainly not with Benitez as manager.

I accept we have to take risks but don't think that has anything to do with 'financial limitations'. Every club has to take risks on bringing in players and spending money on them.

I've said already that I'd like him here permanently but if he's going to cost £1 million and £10k a week I might exercise caution with it.

[JacknOry]

Just now, JHRover said:

We don't actually know what the financial situation is. It is an assumption we don't have enough money to pursue Championship experienced players. That's why I said IF Armstrong is going to cost Championship level money, e.g. a substantial fee and wages, then I might prefer we looked elsewhere.

He's not going to make a do at Newcastle in the Premier League, certainly not with Benitez as manager.

I accept we have to take risks but don't think that has anything to do with 'financial limitations'. Every club has to take risks on bringing in players and spending money on them.

I've said already that I'd like him here permanently but if he's going to cost £1 million and £10k a week I might exercise caution with it.

Personally think he would be a steal at a million and 10k a week.

[RovingRover]

Just now, JacknOry said:

Personally think he would be a steal at a million and 10k a week.

The chances of him taking a £10,000 a week contract when he is on doubtless more at Newcastle is unlikely.

What we should do is sign him on a season-long loan with an option to make the deal permanent next summer.

Even after we bring in Armstrong, I think we need an additional center forward.

[J*B]

Just now, RovingRover said:

The chances of him taking a £10,000 a week contract when he is on doubtless more at Newcastle is unlikely.

What we should do is sign him on a season-long loan with an option to make the deal permanent next summer.

Even after we bring in Armstrong, I think we need an additional center forward.

I was told this morning by a strong source we're rivalling Reading for Marc McNulty. Fee expected around 1m. We shall see. 

[Dreams of 1995]

Just now, J*B said:

I was told this morning by a strong source we're rivalling Reading for Marc McNulty. Fee expected around 1m. We shall see. 

Don't quite know what to make of this rumour. 1m seems a lot for a 25 year old after one good season in league two.

[RovingRover]

Quick thought. Might it not be worth taking a look at Lewis Grabban? Finding it hard to convert for Bournemouth at the moment but has had success whilst out on loan at the Championship scoring 20 in 34 for Sunderland and Villa respectively. Bournemouth might be willing to cover wages. Again we could agree a fee with them to make the deal longterm if we see success next summer?

[islander200]

Just now, RovingRover said:

Quick thought. Might it not be worth taking a look at Lewis Grabban? Finding it hard to convert for Bournemouth at the moment but has had success whilst out on loan at the Championship scoring 20 in 34 for Sunderland and Villa respectively. Bournemouth might be willing to cover wages. Again we could agree a fee with them to make the deal longterm if we see success next summer?

Being linked with a 5 million move.Plus I would imagine he is on a huge wage 

[roversinmyblood]

49 minutes ago, JHRover said:

We don't actually know what the financial situation is. It is an assumption we don't have enough money to pursue Championship experienced players. That's why I said IF Armstrong is going to cost Championship level money, e.g. a substantial fee and wages, then I might prefer we looked elsewhere.

He's not going to make a do at Newcastle in the Premier League, certainly not with Benitez as manager.

I accept we have to take risks but don't think that has anything to do with 'financial limitations'. Every club has to take risks on bringing in players and spending money on them.

I've said already that I'd like him here permanently but if he's going to cost £1 million and £10k a week I might exercise caution with it.

Mowbray said that he didn't want to disrupt our pay structure so that he didn't upset our existing players. I think a championship player with a good goal scoring record would cost a fortune and demand a large salary. If we could get Armstrong for £1M and on £10K pw I think that would be a very good deal as I am sure that Graham and Mulgrew and probably Dack will be on at least that or even more and so would be within our pay structure.

[roversinmyblood]

41 minutes ago, RovingRover said:

Quick thought. Might it not be worth taking a look at Lewis Grabban? Finding it hard to convert for Bournemouth at the moment but has had success whilst out on loan at the Championship scoring 20 in 34 for Sunderland and Villa respectively. Bournemouth might be willing to cover wages. Again we could agree a fee with them to make the deal longterm if we see success next summer?

Good shout, but there are a lot of clubs after him who have more resources.

[Leonard Venkhater]

Just now, roversinmyblood said:

Good shout, but there are a lot of clubs after him who have more resources.

..or clubs, who have found ways to manoeuvre around the FFP stuff..

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, J*B said:

I was told this morning by a strong source we're rivalling Reading for Marc McNulty. Fee expected around 1m. We shall see. 

Whats the source?

[ruggles1995]

23 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

 

may sound silly... but I would have him in the squad, even championship level. Squad player or to bring off the bench.

[tomphil]

27 minutes ago, roversinmyblood said:

Mowbray said that he didn't want to disrupt our pay structure so that he didn't upset our existing players. I think a championship player with a good goal scoring record would cost a fortune and demand a large salary. If we could get Armstrong for £1M and on £10K pw I think that would be a very good deal as I am sure that Graham and Mulgrew and probably Dack will be on at least that or even more and so would be within our pay structure.

He makes a good point in that although it was on here somewhere last season that 3 or 4 of ours including Graham were on 10-16k pwk in league 1 after their relegation clauses.

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, tomphil said:

He makes a good point in that although it was on here somewhere last season that 3 or 4 of ours including Graham were on 10-16k pwk in league 1 after their relegation clauses.

True and I doubt very much Lenihan signed a 4 year deal on 10,000 a week. Can't see Dack signing for that much either.