Thursday deadline.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:04, JHRover said:

Alan Myers suggesting we're interested in Ashley Fletcher from Middlesbrough, was at Sunderland last season.

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Deary me.  Here we go...

[rog of the rovers]

Sounds simplistic, but I trust Tony Mowbray.

He's earned that trust in the last 18 months, combined with the type of statements he's made, the civic events he's attended and the impeccable way he's conducted himself both on and off the pitch.

I don't believe he's turned down a bigger budget to reduce the pressures on himself, but I do think he realises that the club is being rebuilt a brick at a time, and needs to be treat with kid gloves.

You can't undo 7 years of mismanagement in a season at League One and a summer of over spending. The process needs to be more organic, particularly if the aim (which I think it is) is to get back into the Premier League.

I'm sure signing players is relatively easy, agents and representatives must be calling morning, noon and night with players who'd love a chance to play for us. Getting the right player is another thing entirely.

I think the way Mowbray dealt with Emnes and Joao (both of whom reportedly turned up late for training) set the tone on how he wants the club to be run in both the short and long term, similarly with the way Gladwin (who again reportedly became a bit of a ''bad egg'' in the camp last season) behaved.

Re-signing Conway and Graham (model professionals) also reaffirm this stance.

In Mowbray I trust......................In Mowbray WE trust.

Edited July 25, 2018 by rog of the rovers

[neophox]

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:04, JHRover said:

Alan Myers suggesting we're interested in Ashley Fletcher from Middlesbrough, was at Sunderland last season.

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Fletcher cost Boro £6,5m When arrived last year. Talented striker. 

[tomphil]

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:08, Bigdoggsteel said:

Can anything be disused without throwing that line out? We all know what happened, but I don't see how it relates to the bizzare suggestion that Mowbray  turned down a bigger transfer budget 

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Maybe he didn't maybe he just asked for less than they thought he would and highlighted retaining the key players first and foremost so they were pleasantly surprised. Maybe this so called bigger budget was offered on the basis he was willing to sell a few then use the alleged re-investment.

Either way it's quite a canny move by him A) Keep expectation levels low all around, B ) After speaking to others he'll have known damn well he was unlikely to get any promised money from sales anyway so he's playing it safe on either count.

Time will tell if he was right but if the begging bowl comes out in Jan they should honour it.

[unleaded]

Like I said TM wants to take the slow slow approach and “ Build” and wants to stay in the project ...

Win or Bust is not for him and players who wear caps backwards!

Managers are in it for themselves in the end just like some players..

The Rothwells might be clean cut looking wise but they are for the long term and big gambles and this team is basically the same that went down.....

 

[neophox]

Gladwin and Hart may leave before season starts.

[Exiled in Toronto]

  On 24/07/2018 at 22:59, 47er said:

YES! Went to that game, went absolutely ballistic when we won with virtually the last kick of the game. Wonderful, clinical goal from Santa Cruz but everyone who thinks Dunn wasn't a terrific player should look at that first goal.

 

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Left foot as well. Sign of things to come from Robbo on his debut...

[imy9]

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:14, neophox said:

Fletcher cost Boro £6,5m When arrived last year. Talented striker. 

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Reading around and he seems to have rapid pace and directness,  similar to Marcus Rashford. I would be ecstatic with Fletcher...as he cost 6.5 million I can imagine it's on loan.

[davulsukur]

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:16, neophox said:

Gladwin and Hart may leave before season starts.

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Hopefully.

[Exiled in Toronto]

  On 25/07/2018 at 10:33, JHRover said:

Being honest with paying customers is unprofessional?

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Walls would never sell another sausage if they were honest with their paying customers.

[imy9]

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:15, unleaded said:

Like I said TM wants to take the slow slow approach and “ Build” and wants to stay in the project ...

Win or Bust is not for him and players who wear caps backwards!

Managers are in it for themselves in the end just like some players..

The Rothwells might be clean cut looking wise but they are for the long term and big gambles and this team is basically the same that went down.....

 

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A slight contradiction there Unleaded. All managers are in it for themselves but win or bust is not for him?

Reading into this I would say that the gaffer is looking after the best interests of the club. I would rather build this year, develop a squad and then build on that the year after. Only 3 clubs will get promoted next year, assuming it's the relegated clubs, we still have Leeds, Villa,  etc still in the league, realistically we cannot compete financially with them.

[roversfan99]

Ashley Fletcher would be a very poor signing. His goal record is shocking. Hope we are looking at much better than that. Saw him a couple of times for Sunderland and he isnt nearly good enough.

[briansol]

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:05, 47er said:

Uncalled for? You're being a bit soft to react to my mild retort. If we have a budget of 3-5 million (big difference there by the way) we are not doing much with it are we?

Too much complacency, too much "in Tony we trust", too much "it'll alright on the night" style of thing.

All I know is that, with just days to go to the start of the season, our team is weaker than we were in Div 1.

Loss of momentum created last season. Such a shame.

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Yeah you misrepresented opinion knowingly. Uncalled for in my book. I've tried to keep a polite profile here, doesn't seem to work so well so maybe I've been too soft.

Totally agree we are weaker than Div 1 and this transfer window hasn't gone to plan. Mowbray asked to be judged at the end of the window and I will.  He says he is confident the deals wil be done by then, if they're not the window has been a major fail. 

[Tugay's Right Foot]

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:15, unleaded said:

Like I said TM wants to take the slow slow approach and “ Build” and wants to stay in the project ...

Win or Bust is not for him and players who wear caps backwards!

Managers are in it for themselves in the end just like some players..

The Rothwells might be clean cut looking wise but they are for the long term and big gambles and this team is basically the same that went down.....

 

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This is different from taking a smaller Budget than what was offered me thinks

[Tugay's Right Foot]

Okera simmonds scored a perfect hat trick and Ben Paton got two. Wonder if we can blood some of these youngsters more and more. Butterworth seems a useful youth striker, formerly from Man U?

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:15, unleaded said:

Like I said TM wants to take the slow slow approach and “ Build” and wants to stay in the project ...

Win or Bust is not for him and players who wear caps backwards!

Managers are in it for themselves in the end just like some players..

The Rothwells might be clean cut looking wise but they are for the long term and big gambles and this team is basically the same that went down.....

 

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But you didn't say that.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:10, Bigdoggsteel said:

I read the quotes where he spoke about building the club sensibly, I just don't recall the part where he told the owners to put their money back in their pocket. Can you please show us the quote where Mowbray said he stopped the owners from spending more money.

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No idea where that is.  Just recall reading it.

[pomster]

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:46, roversfan99 said:

Ashley Fletcher would be a very poor signing. His goal record is shocking. Hope we are looking at much better than that. Saw him a couple of times for Sunderland and he isnt nearly good enough.

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Yeah but Sunderland has been sruggling

[JHRover]

I keep hearing talk of the 'slow' approach of gradually building a squad. Yet the manager has said that half of his remaining business will be loan signings.

Several of those the manager has signed weren't good enough for League One, never mind the Championship - Gladwin, Caddis, Hart - and now need to be disposed of and replaced.

He said yesterday that Evans and Mulgrew will not be getting new contracts as things stand as we can't afford them.

So lets assume we bring in 4 more, 2 of which are loans. Then next summer (assuming we manage to survive) we need to replace the loans, Evans, Mulgrew and whoever else is out of contract. Its a never ending rebuilding job.

Like building on quicksand. How about we sign some decent players good enough for the Championship on long term deals, keep them and each transfer window add a few who are better, rather than leaving it to the last minute and relying on the loan market to fill up the squad until next year.

Before anyone has a go at me, the manager has said this himself and yet it doesn't seem to be happening.

[roversfan99]

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:51, pomster said:

Yeah but Sunderland has been sruggling

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Even before that. And we hardly have loads of creative players to create chancea for him.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I’m in the camp of Mowbray has earned our trust until he does something to lose it. I like his ‘brick-by-brick’ approach and hope the days of massive overspending on dollopers and has-beens is over. I’m sure he’s working day and night to bring players in but the fact is we are not first choice in this division and may well have to wait till the last week when players/agents unrealistic expectations hit the wall of reality.

I’m also not sure how many points having “momentum” (ie fewer fans moaning) wins us in July.

Edited July 25, 2018 by Exiled in Toronto

[chaddyrovers]

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:04, JHRover said:

Alan Myers suggesting we're interested in Ashley Fletcher from Middlesbrough, was at Sunderland last season.

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Alan Myers has told the same. 

Highly rated. He would bring pace to the attack. Never settled anyone. 

My biggest question would be wages and what he on there?

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:07, neophox said:

Unleaded: Has Mowbray told you this? Do you think we will try and get Ollie McBurnie?

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McBurnie will Swansea number 1 striker this season imo

[Bigdoggsteel]

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:50, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

No idea where that is.  Just recall reading it.

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Oh. I don't think he did say it to be honest 

[Bigdoggsteel]

  On 25/07/2018 at 13:54, JHRover said:

I keep hearing talk of the 'slow' approach of gradually building a squad. Yet the manager has said that half of his remaining business will be loan signings.

Several of those the manager has signed weren't good enough for League One, never mind the Championship - Gladwin, Caddis, Hart - and now need to be disposed of and replaced.

He said yesterday that Evans and Mulgrew will not be getting new contracts as things stand as we can't afford them.

So lets assume we bring in 4 more, 2 of which are loans. Then next summer (assuming we manage to survive) we need to replace the loans, Evans, Mulgrew and whoever else is out of contract. Its a never ending rebuilding job.

Like building on quicksand. How about we sign some decent players good enough for the Championship on long term deals, keep them and each transfer window add a few who are better, rather than leaving it to the last minute and relying on the loan market to fill up the squad until next year.

Before anyone has a go at me, the manager has said this himself and yet it doesn't seem to be happening.

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Like Davenport? 

[SBlue]

Standard "my Barnsley mate" comment... Thinks Fletcher is top class and wanted him back last year.