Ben Brereton Diaz

[47er]

2 hours ago, Ossydave said:

Not really no, in fact it may turn out to be a positive in a weird way. He'll end up in the u23 team to regain match fitness and will play as a striker and bang some goals in. Maybe TM will then take note.

The triumph of hope over experience---again!. We've wasted £7 million quid---face it!  

[darrenrover]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

He played in the under 23's towards the end of last season and scored some goals. I didn't see any improvement in him when he got first team game time after that.

Agreed, He's a £7 million Miles Anderson for me: never a footballer.

[Stuart]

12 minutes ago, darrenrover said:

Agreed, He's a £7 million Miles Anderson for me: never a footballer.

That’s about the fiercest critique I’ve read!

[Husky]

What's the latest spin on Big Ben? Has he been banging Tecmo World Cup '90 goals in on arcade emulator?

[philipl]

Out for 8 weeks following a knee op.

Wishing him a total recovery.

[Ossydave]

5 hours ago, arbitro said:

He played in the under 23's towards the end of last season and scored some goals. I didn't see any improvement in him when he got first team game time after that.

He was scoring pre season as well, then shunted to the wing, only one person to blame

[darrenrover]

3 hours ago, Stuart said:

That’s about the fiercest critique I’ve read!

Aye, our transfer policy has 'Ozark' written all over it! 

[LDRover]

10 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

We couldn’t even dream of affording top quality forwards. Even the loans want 40-70k a week in salaries. Hence why we have spent our money on the former category I outlined. Gally, Armstrong and BB are young and fit within our wage structure. The mandate therefore is to develop them and find a diamond. 

Again, just common sense really.

7 million on Brereton is 'common sense'? Blimey.

[JBiz]

Just now, LDRover said:

7 million on Brereton is 'common sense'? Blimey.

Over 3 years, how much is 7m?

ignoring taxes, signing on fee; 45k per week.

Johnson and Downing over their contracts + SOF probably cost more than we’ve spent so far on Bb...

 

[LDRover]

Just now, Harry The Bass said:

Over 3 years, how much is 7m?

ignoring taxes, signing on fee; 45k per week.

Johnson and Downing over their contracts + SOF probably cost more than we’ve spent so far on Bb...

 

A lot of assumptions there H and are you suggesting BB doesn't get a wage?!! He'll be on 20k a week minimum I'd say do a million a year on top of the 7 million  that was just the fee Forest received. Anyway, my argument was the signing for the money spent was 'common sense', it's anything but that, the lad is crap.

[JBiz]

1 hour ago, LDRover said:

A lot of assumptions there H and are you suggesting BB doesn't get a wage?!! He'll be on 20k a week minimum I'd say do a million a year on top of the 7 million  that was just the fee Forest received. Anyway, my argument was the signing for the money spent was 'common sense', it's anything but that, the lad is crap.

I don’t personally judge 19/20 year olds on a hand full of starts so to hear he is “crap” makes me think some patience might be required.

Also- the assumption he is a top earner is based on no facts- it’s just a paranoid agenda to add to a rationale that TM made a huge error. 

[LDRover]

Just now, Harry The Bass said:

I don’t personally judge 19/20 year olds on a hand full of starts so to hear he is “crap” makes me think some patience might be required.

Also- the assumption he is a top earner is based on no facts- it’s just a paranoid agenda to add to a rationale that TM made a huge error. 

Sorry but your 45k a week 'assumption' conveniently ignored the fact he'll be getting paid every week !! Furthermore you broke the transfer fee down into instalments when I'm sure a hold up in the deal was that Forest got paid up front.

As for 'assuming' he's a top earner, chances are at 7 million his agent would be pressing for big coin, he'd have plenty of reason to based on the size of the fee. No agenda there, how many 7 million signings are paid less than 10k a week?

I may sound conceited here but I'm rarely wrong in my judgement of players, I'd love to be proved wrong here but I won't be. We'll make a huge loss on the lad and he'll contribute very little on the pitch, I can't point to an attribute he excels at.

Finally, apologies mods, totally wrong thread.

[JBiz]

9 minutes ago, LDRover said:

Sorry but your 45k a week 'assumption' conveniently ignored the fact he'll be getting paid every week !! Furthermore you broke the transfer fee down into instalments when I'm sure a hold up in the deal was that Forest got paid up front.

As for 'assuming' he's a top earner, chances are at 7 million his agent would be pressing for big coin, he'd have plenty of reason to based on the size of the fee. No agenda there, how many 7 million signings are paid less than 10k a week?

I may sound conceited here but I'm rarely wrong in my judgement of players, I'd love to be proved wrong here but I won't be. We'll make a huge loss on the lad and he'll contribute very little on the pitch, I can't point to an attribute he excels at.

Finally, apologies mods, totally wrong thread.

45k ain’t no assumption. It’s 7,000,000 divided by three seasons mate.

As for the “how many 7m signings”, the average wage for premier league team player is about 2.5/3m a season, so why see it as a huge sum when we spent more in one season on managers 7 years ago.

Plus how/why would we be burdened with spending huge sums and wages on someone not proven? The fee represents the potential, nothing more. You’re whole argument here lies on assumption - you have no idea his wage.

Even if you’re eventually right about BB, it doesn’t make your current view any less close minded, old fashioned and basically out of touch 

[Paul Mani]

2 hours ago, LDRover said:

7 million on Brereton is 'common sense'? Blimey.

Read the post mate. Really read it please.

[47er]

On 27/09/2019 at 03:16, JoeH said:

It's not about waiting etc.. I'm merely saying that the transfer fee paid for Brereton isn't his responsibility. That lies with the club, as it was their decision to pay so much for him. Brereton may or may not come good, but to call him a flop based on his transfer fee is a little unfair on him personally, the transfer itself may seem misguided but to say Brereton has flopped is odd - he was never a world beater before he came.

So why £7M then. Couldn't we have got him for less? Or better still, not bothered and got 2 specialist defenders?

[LDRover]

1 minute ago, Harry The Bass said:

45k ain’t no assumption. It’s 7,000,000 divided by three seasons mate.

As for the “how many 7m signings”, the average wage for premier league team player is about 2.5/3m a season, so why see it as a huge sum when we spent more in one season on managers 7 years ago.

Plus how/why would we be burdened with spending huge sums and wages on someone not proven? The fee represents the potential, nothing more. You’re whole argument here lies on assumption - you have no idea his wage.

Even if you’re eventually right about BB, it doesn’t make your current view any less close minded, old fashioned and basically out of touch 

Your 1st post said he has cost us 45k a week. So, by that token you're saying - we aren't paying him any wages (because as you rightly say 'mate' 7 million divided by 3 years is 45 k a week)

Plus, as we both know we aren't paying for him weekly we have shelled out a hard 7 million. On the nose up front so that cash has gone.

Finally, put yourself in his agent's shoes, would you accept 10k or less per week when the buying club is willing to spend that much on the fee? You're talking about a club that paid Jason Lowe 15k a week here!!

All assumptions but backed up with some sort of rationale and one I believe stands up. I will accept you're right on one thing though, I have no idea on his wage. Just like you.

[LDRover]

14 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Read the post mate. Really read it please.

I did mate. Now if you'd used Dack as an example I was right with you and I can't disagree with the model you suggest. Using BB within the argument was what I pulled as paying 7 million on a 'project signing' isn't something we should've done and isn't 'common sense'.

[Exiled in Toronto]

The bit I don’t get is why everyone is so upset that our billionaire owners are down £7 million. It’s their money, not ours.

Danny Graham did the business last year and they’ve rustled up another £5 million to buy someone else. Brereton being here hasn’t hurt us in any way as far as I can see. 

[philipl]

2 hours ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

The bit I don’t get is why everyone is so upset that our billionaire owners are down £7 million. It’s their money, not ours.

Danny Graham did the business last year and they’ve rustled up another £5 million to buy someone else. Brereton being here hasn’t hurt us in any way as far as I can see. 

This 100%

It is sunk cost.

Let's hope Ben makes a better than full recovery and comes good.

[AllRoverAsia]

4 hours ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

The bit I don’t get is why everyone is so upset that our billionaire owners are down £7 million. It’s their money, not ours.

Danny Graham did the business last year and they’ve rustled up another £5 million to buy someone else. Brereton being here hasn’t hurt us in any way as far as I can see. 

Surely it shows as an expense for Rovers and for FFP that cant be spent more wisely?

[Mattyblue]

If FFP didn’t exist I’d by happy enough for the owners to throw 7 million on as many ‘projects’ as possible, if some flopped so be it.

But surely in a FFP world and the parameters it sets on the club we don’t have that luxury and it isn’t just simply ‘the owners money’ anymore.

Edited September 28, 2019 by Mattyblue

[Stuart]

This issue is when we “can’t afford” to buy players in key areas, having spent fortunes on poor players.

FFP just makes it even more important that we spend our money as wisely as possible.

[JBiz]

7 hours ago, LDRover said:

Your 1st post said he has cost us 45k a week. So, by that token you're saying - we aren't paying him any wages (because as you rightly say 'mate' 7 million divided by 3 years is 45 k a week)

Let me put this into simple terms - 7m is not a huge sum in a climate where the top league average wage for one player is nearly 3m a season.

This “so, by that token we aren’t paying him any wages” is just ignoring facts for your own dismissive agenda. You know what I meant

 

7 hours ago, LDRover said:

Plus, as we both know we aren't paying for him weekly we have shelled out a hard 7 million. On the nose up front so that cash has gone.

Finally, put yourself in his agent's shoes, would you accept 10k or less per week when the buying club is willing to spend that much on the fee? You're talking about a club that paid Jason Lowe 15k a week here!!

I think anyone who uses agent examples from the post takeover and Kean years as standard practice must’ve forgotten what happened.

Lowe, Henley and Jake Kean- all given ridiculous contracts, and the amount the club lost over that period paying off the Etuhu’s, Bests et al - absolutely dwarfs 7m

 

7 hours ago, LDRover said:

All assumptions but backed up with some sort of rationale and one I believe stands up. I will accept you're right on one thing though, I have no idea on his wage. Just like you.

Exactly.

Knowing the club had recently come from league 1, I can’t see why it’s so hard to accept that we had limited choices in recruitment due to cutting our wage bill after relegation.

TM even said he wanted Bamford, but the club couldn’t do the big wage AND the fee, hence all the “flex” talk from SW.

He might never make any in roads to our first team - but the whole point of signing someone that age is to give them TIME...! At least this discussion is 12 months on, the same criticisms started last year less than a month after he signed!

[Paul Mani]

 

On 14/09/2019 at 10:56, 47er said:

The triumph of hope over experience---again!. We've wasted £7 million quid---face it!  

 

On 14/09/2019 at 11:31, darrenrover said:

Agreed, He's a £7 million Miles Anderson for me: never a footballer.

Ben Brereton is 20yrs Old (2-0) and has represented England at U19 and U20 level. He has also played in 79 Championship games. You’re writing him off. Let that sink in.

Give your heads a wobble lads.

[47er]

2 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Surely it shows as an expense for Rovers and for FFP that cant be spent more wisely?

Exactly. Thanks for saving me the trouble ARA!