Ben Brereton Diaz

[chaddyrovers]

30 minutes ago, Dan said:

I guess it can’t do any harm, but haven’t we rushed youth team players through before and it’s ended up killing their development? Desperate times call for desperate measures though I guess. 

Not really at all in my opinion

[DE.]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

We found a way at Forest away or Bournemouth away or Stoke away. Other examples out there. 

 

People are obviously talking about our recent form, though, not how we were playing months or years ago. Our problem is that we are not finding a way at the moment, and the one player who consistently bailed us out with goals, helping us find our way in the past, is potentially out for a while. 

Keep in mind our next top scorer is Gallagher with 6, and then it goes down to 3 goals for our next top scorers. We were hugely reliant on BBD for our goalscoring, and suggesting others will step up goes against everything we've seen since 2022 began. 

[Mattyblue]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We found a way at Forest away or Bournemouth away or Stoke away. Other examples out there. 

 

You’re just picking games we won months ago, what a daft argument.

Edited February 19, 2022 by Mattyblue

[jim mk2]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

The players have always step up whether its Gallagher against Boro or Rothwell at Cardiff. We have always found a way. and we would have done today

We've scored 1 goal in the last 540 minutes of league football.......who "stepped up" then?

Fact is the club failed dismally to strengthen the forward dept in the transfer window

 

 

 

[roversfan99]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We found a way at Forest away or Bournemouth away or Stoke away. Other examples out there. 

 

Straight forward, yes or no question.

Are we weaker without having Ben Brereton available?

Is our starting 11 poorer?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, Tom said:

Let’s not kid ourselves it’s a bad one

 

 

So the girl is there in a football shirt and Ben is wrapped up like a mummy !

[chaddyrovers]

23 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

For some perspective, for a team chasing promotion from the Championship to the Premier League, you are entrusting a rookie with about 20 minutes of senior experience who has had a loan spell at Halifax Town in the National League this season where he only scored 1 in 10, yet are in denial that we needed a striker?

Let's not pretend that we didn't need a striker. I factor in the fact that to find a striker who could score at a reasonable, competitive rate, to fit within our current formation on a limited budget was a difficult task and seemingly was not helped by rejections in the transfer market.

Does his loan spell matter really? If you want a striker then use Vale since we didn't sign one in the January. Before my ban , I posted that we didn't need another striker due to how we played our strikers/forwards and the system we are currently playing. I will stand by that given the options we have for the 2 forwards roles plus the false 9 role. I am still happy with our options in that department. Would I sign a Maja or Healey in January for example? no cos how our 2 forwards play. 

15 minutes ago, DE. said:

People are obviously talking about our recent form, though, not how we were playing months or years ago. Our problem is that we are not finding a way at the moment, and the one player who consistently bailed us out with goals, helping us find our way in the past, is potentially out for a while. 

Keep in mind our next top scorer is Gallagher with 6, and then it goes down to 3 goals for our next top scorers. We were hugely reliant on BBD for our goalscoring, and suggesting others will step up goes against everything we've seen since 2022 began. 

But still we are 3rd in league and still challenging for that second place. 

This is our dip in form just like other teams in the top 6 are experiencing like QPR or Bournemouth have before had. 

13 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

We've scored 1 goal in the last 540 minutes of league football.......who "stepped up" then?

Fact is the club failed dismally to strengthen the forward dept in the transfer window

Yet still 3rd in the league with a good chance of second in the league, Bournemouth will feel the pressure and bottle it in my opinion. 

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Straight forward, yes or no question.

Are we weaker without having Ben Brereton available?

Is our starting 11 poorer?

have I said we are not weaker with Ben Brereton but its an opportunity and the team to perform. 

Yes but others can and must step up. 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Dan said:

You’ve just quoted Mowbray. We were very lucky with Ben starting the season on fire. No one predicted it, 1000/1 odds shows how likely it was. Now we are hoping for a second miracle, as Gallagher will be lucky to hit double figures this season and our midfield is pretty goal shy. 

I said it last summer actually Dan when Armstrong was going and we have a very limited budget that players had to step up. I would have given McBride or Burns or Vale a chance of the bench this season. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

We have to see how long he out for. Rovers or Brereton haven't confirmed how long he is out for

6-8 weeks.

[G Somerset Rover]

5 minutes ago, Mellor Rover said:

6-8 weeks.

That’s seven matches - 50% of our remaining games. As I say, an absolute balls up not bringing in some more firepower in Jan. 

[roversfan99]

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Does his loan spell matter really? If you want a striker then use Vale since we didn't sign one in the January. Before my ban , I posted that we didn't need another striker due to how we played our strikers/forwards and the system we are currently playing. I will stand by that given the options we have for the 2 forwards roles plus the false 9 role. I am still happy with our options in that department. Would I sign a Maja or Healey in January for example? no cos how our 2 forwards play. 

But still we are 3rd in league and still challenging for that second place. 

This is our dip in form just like other teams in the top 6 are experiencing like QPR or Bournemouth have before had. 

Yet still 3rd in the league with a good chance of second in the league, Bournemouth will feel the pressure and bottle it in my opinion. 

have I said we are not weaker with Ben Brereton but its an opportunity and the team to perform. 

Yes but others can and must step up. 

His loan spell does matter yes, it adds a bit of perspective to a player who otherwise only has a 20 minute cameo for us and 3 goalless games at Rochdale in a brief spell as senior experience, 1 goal in 10 at a level 3 divisions below us. Hardly suggests he is ready to boost a team missing its best 2 players and struggling in front of goal but going for promotion to the Premier League!

I am unsure why you live in an alternative universe whereby the only signings we could possibly make are Maja and Healey. The latter of whom has only ever been linked in passing and none of us have seen. As I said, I get that we would prefer someone who could play one of the 2 forward roles, someone quick for example, but we needed for me someone more capable of scoring goals than the likes of Gallagher, Khadra, Dolan and Hedges. Was that an easy task finding someone who fits the bill on a minimal budget, obviously not. But for me we still needed one, especially as none of our midfielders have a track record of scoring goals anything other than occasionally, bar Johnson about 10 years ago when he was a totally different player.

You are implying that we don't need one because we have Vale who you are pushing for a place in the squad. There is no logic in being content with a young lad with NO evidence that he can hack it at this level at this critical point in time.

 

[chaddyrovers]

17 minutes ago, Mellor Rover said:

6-8 weeks.

has the club confirm that?

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

has the club confirm that?

Has the club confirmed how long Edun is out for yet? It’s 6-8 weeks chaddy, it’s not a good one.

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

His loan spell does matter yes, it adds a bit of perspective to a player who otherwise only has a 20 minute cameo for us and 3 goalless games at Rochdale in a brief spell as senior experience, 1 goal in 10 at a level 3 divisions below us. Hardly suggests he is ready to boost a team missing its best 2 players and struggling in front of goal but going for promotion to the Premier League!

You seen live ever Jack Vale whether in the under 18's or 23's or on loan at these 2 clubs? 

Vale is a very talent player who should go on and good career for us and in the future clubs. 

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I am unsure why you live in an alternative universe whereby the only signings we could possibly make are Maja and Healey.

I said I gave them as example of who we could have signed, 

 

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You are implying that we don't need one because we have Vale who you are pushing for a place in the squad.

I said in Mid January that we didn't need one. My stance hasn't change even if we change formation. Given that the transfer window is closed and we have Vale who is performing in the under 23's I suggested given him a chance from the bench. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I said it last summer actually Dan when Armstrong was going and we have a very limited budget that players had to step up. I would have given McBride or Burns or Vale a chance of the bench this season. 

Burns got subbed off just after half time at Scunthorpe. They lost 1-2 to Rochdale . Nuttall came on in his place.

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, Mellor Rover said:

Has the club confirmed how long Edun is out for yet? It’s 6-8 weeks chaddy, it’s not a good one.

no idea tbh

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, Mellor Rover said:

Has the club confirmed how long Edun is out for yet? It’s 6-8 weeks chaddy, it’s not a good one.

Edun’s looked bad at the time. The Luton player really filled him in, and he got away with it.

[chaddyrovers]

for people who keep saying we didn't an attacker in January we actually signed 2 players for those roles in Hedges from Aberdeen and 500k signing from Spurs in Markanday. Sadly Markanday got injured on his debut otherwise he would have been an good option for us. I look forward to seeing him next season in Rovers shirt 

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

You seen live ever Jack Vale whether in the under 18's or 23's or on loan at these 2 clubs? 

Vale is a very talent player who should go on and good career for us and in the future clubs. 

I said I gave them as example of who we could have signed, 

 

I said in Mid January that we didn't need one. My stance hasn't change even if we change formation. Given that the transfer window is closed and we have Vale who is performing in the under 23's I suggested given him a chance from the bench. 

No I haven't, kids football is not a barometer as to how he would do at senior level. Neither to be honest would National LEague football even if he had scored plenty which obviously he didn't. There is no evidence that he is on the fringes at the moment either, he has to my recollection never made a matchday squad.

He may well be talented and have a good career, I have never claimed to be armed with any evidence to suggest that he will or won't. But a bit of logic leans me to the assumption that it would be a hell of a surprise should be be deemed to be ready and able to actively influence a Championship team going for promotion (you believe automatic) based on the level to which he has played to date, including this season.

Fair enough if you didn't feel that we needed another attacker. You seem to have the narrow minded opinion that it was Maja/Healey or nobody, and also seem to have assumed that others WILL fill the gap, not might, will, based on the logic that others scored a goal in random selected games during the season. Fair enough, agree to disagree.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

for people who keep saying we didn't an attacker in January we actually signed 2 players for those roles in Hedges from Aberdeen and 500k signing from Spurs in Markanday. Sadly Markanday got injured on his debut otherwise he would have been an good option for us. I look forward to seeing him next season in Rovers shirt 

We signed two players who can play in our current system. That’s after signing Khadra and Poveda who are best suited to that system. We already have Dolan who is a similar player. All our eggs in that same basket.  If we can’t make that system work again we have no plan B. I’d have signed a more conventional type of striker just to give us options.

[chaddyrovers]

16 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

he has to my recollection never made a matchday squad

He did make the match day squad in the 20/21 season when he came on against Reading and almost scored when he hot the cross bar. 

18 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Fair enough if you didn't feel that we needed another attacker. You seem to have the narrow minded opinion that it was Maja/Healey or nobody, Fair enough, agree to disagree.

Given how we played with the current system I didn't see the need for another option. Even if we switch formation to 4-3-3 we have enough options for me. 

Used those 2 players as examples. 

agreed on that last point

19 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

We signed two players who can play in our current system. That’s after signing Khadra and Poveda who are best suited to that system. We already have Dolan who is a similar player. All our eggs in that same basket.  If we can’t make that system work again we have no plan B. I’d have signed a more conventional type of striker just to give us options.

We do have a plan b which would 4-3-3 formation with either Brereton Diaz or Gallagher or Dolan central. Then pick your 2 wide players to play

[Dan]

Who is going to take the penalties without Ben? Because I’ve absolutely zero faith in Gallagher being able to score one.  

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

4 minutes ago, Dan said:

Who is going to take the penalties without Ben? Because I’ve absolutely zero faith in Gallagher being able to score one.  

The skipper.

[martonrover]

3 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

We signed two players who can play in our current system. That’s after signing Khadra and Poveda who are best suited to that system. We already have Dolan who is a similar player. All our eggs in that same basket.  If we can’t make that system work again we have no plan B. I’d have signed a more conventional type of striker just to give us options.

Yes, we continually try to shoehorn a distinctly average, number 9 type lump into the system.

We needed a genuine centre forward who knows where the goal is, and who is better than Gallagher.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

18 minutes ago, martonrover said:

Yes, we continually try to shoehorn a distinctly average, number 9 type lump into the system.

We needed a genuine centre forward who knows where the goal is, and who is better than Gallagher.

He’s a number 9 type lump who can’t really play as a number 9. I thought maybe he could at one time but I was wrong.