Rovers vs Forest

[bluebruce]

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Sounds bad, but I think Nyambe's injury may ease a potential dilemma for Mowbray on Wednesday. Moving one of the 2, presumably Bennett to right back will then free up a space on one of the sides for either Armstrong, Palmer or Rothwell, presumably the former, giving us more individuality.

I had had the exact same thought. Can't bench Bennett or Reed right now, and can't keep sitting all three of Armstrong, Palmer and Rothwell on the bench.

[old darwen blue]

6 hours ago, aletheia said:

Talking of cliches –here’s a few tired and tiresome tropes. Why, oh why is reffing so poor in this country and why can’t we have consistency? And an absolute cert on any phone-in is moaning about ‘biased’ refs, ‘cheating’ refs, refs that cost us the game, the league, my marriage, the end of the world……

 

Perhaps not the right space to raise this but since the notion of bad luck with reffing decisions has arisen, I thought it might be worth it.

 

The first thing that occurs to me is that only the weak blame refs. The next is that, since the quality is so poor according to many, then perhaps some on here should apply for the job. Maybe some ex pros should do it –I wonder why not?

But really, why would anyone with any sanity volunteer for the job? At grassroots level, the lifeblood for future refs, psychological and physical intimidation is rife, ranging from aggressive parents threatening to stab refs or sort them out in the car park, kids threatening to destroy changing rooms and screaming coaches. Thousands of UK officials — from grassroots level to top-flight — admitted they regularly experience verbal abuse. In the 2014/15 season, 100 incidents of criminal assault against men in black in the UK were recorded.

But many referees say the figures are much higher as the sickening violence goes unreported — out of fear or because officials have lost faith in the ability of county Football Associations to punish offenders quickly. There is plenty of footage out there of referees being kicked, punched and battered on the pitch for nothing more than giving a yellow card.

And take any game that you watch live or see on Match of the Day etc. and you can clearly see a variety of abuses. A ball goes out for a throw, a full back doesn’t like the way it’s given –and you can clearly see (or hear if you are pitch side) – “never lino, you f*****g c***, you cheating t**t!.” and that’s just a throw-in and you can clearly see that the full back is clearly wrong, not even close! Ditto, plenty of things to the ref. But of course, it’s just ‘industrial’ language that men use. Bo***cks! ?  Doesn’t happen in rugby, cricket, basketball.

Then of course there is the issue I mentioned elsewhere recently. The officials' ability to make decisions at the top tier is exceptional. I suspect they get 90% plus of decisions correct. It’s obvious they are going to get plenty wrong in a fast moving game with a split second to make a decision. But then armchair specialists and teams of ‘experts’ sitting in studios watching every decision in ultra 4K, super slo-mo and from lots of angles make their pronouncements and decide that the officials should be shamed. Cue radio phone-ins for sad individuals to take out their inadequacies on the ‘bas***d in green.’ And the amusing thing is, after all the endless replays, the experts disagree anyway. How many times have you screamed at the ref live or at the TV, only to be shown the replay to see that you were entirely wrong. Or here’s a classic –home fans screaming at an opposing player who is in their opinion feigning injury, only to see the poor sod carried off with something serious.

 

So, refs. If you want infallibility forget it. If you want close to it, then give them the tools –VAR at least (that works and not the nonsense we have at the moment –but that is another issue). Pay them more. Train them more. Give them more respect at all levels. Sin bins. Zero tolerance of backchat. Let’s face it, refs provide a useful social function, a safety valve to vent all that anger, a focal point for all the resentment, bitterness and spleen of a community come Saturday. Hell, give them a medal.

Good post. 

4 hours ago, blueboy3333 said:

I didn't realise Dean Henderson plays for Sheff Utd these days. I'm hoping he gets a delightful BBE reception midweek. And that he loses it again, obviously. 

I also hope the ref is a lot less shit than Saturday. 

 

Let’s not forget the catalyst for Henderson losing it in front of the BBE in that second half was the abuse he received from some lads in the Darren End during the first half.  There you go, another reason why evicting us home fans from the DDE was a terrible idea. 

[Dreams of 1995]

12 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Chapman will sign for us in January. Same as Bauer. 

 

Why would we be signing someone who has hardly got a minute this season and a lad who has just done his ligaments in? I'm confused. We don't need either of them, we need better.

[arbitro]

47 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Why would we be signing someone who has hardly got a minute this season and a lad who has just done his ligaments in? I'm confused. We don't need either of them, we need better.

And paying a fee for them both when they are out of contract in the summer would be crazy. 

Edited October 1, 2018 by arbitro

[Bigdoggsteel]

46 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Why would we be signing someone who has hardly got a minute this season and a lad who has just done his ligaments in? I'm confused. We don't need either of them, we need better.

Strange post. It seems some of you lose sight of reason ,just to disagree with Chaddy! 

Both of the players he mentioned would be good signings on relatively low cost deals as they are out of contract during the summer. Chapman hasn't played because Pulis doesn't rate him, doesn't make him a bad player. Off the bench he would be a great option to have. Bauer is injured, but if we said we would never sign a player who had an injury, our list of potential signings would be very small. We could be looking at signing both for under £750,000 combined , that would be shrewd business. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

1 minute ago, arbitro said:

And paying a fee for them both when they are out of contract in the summer would be crazy. 

We could do with them both in January, for the sake of a relatively low fee, I don't see an issue in signing them 

[Dreams of 1995]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Strange post. It seems some of you lose sight of reason ,just to disagree with Chaddy! 

Both of the players he mentioned would be good signings on relatively low cost deals as they are out of contract during the summer. Chapman hasn't played because Pulis doesn't rate him, doesn't make him a bad player. Off the bench he would be a great option to have. Bauer is injured, but if we said we would never sign a player who had an injury, our list of potential signings would be very small. We could be looking at signing both for under £750,000 combined , that would be shrewd business. 

It wouldn't be shrewd business if you can get them for free 6 months later. We are doing fine without them.

I wasn't saying it to disagree with Chaddy at all. I'm sure even you remember how often I expressed doubts at Chapman's fitness. Now that Bauer has also done his ligaments in his knee I'd be looking elsewhere in Jan. I think Chapman is a good player but his list of injuries at his age is concerning!!

Besides, with Bauer's knee injury I'd argue he'd be struggling to get back to fitness up until Christmas. Would you be signing an injured player? I'd rather we didn't. Them ligament injuries have a nasty habit of reoccurring not long after being "healed". 

 

[blueboy3333]

I'd like us to sign a central midfielder and play him on the wing. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

17 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

It wouldn't be shrewd business if you can get them for free 6 months later. We are doing fine without them.

I wasn't saying it to disagree with Chaddy at all. I'm sure even you remember how often I expressed doubts at Chapman's fitness. Now that Bauer has also done his ligaments in his knee I'd be looking elsewhere in Jan. I think Chapman is a good player but his list of injuries at his age is concerning!!

Besides, with Bauer's knee injury I'd argue he'd be struggling to get back to fitness up until Christmas. Would you be signing an injured player? I'd rather we didn't. Them ligament injuries have a nasty habit of reoccurring not long after being "healed". 

 

If we are in the hunt for the play offs, it makes more sense to sign them for a low fee in January, as opposed to waiting til the summer.  I agree that there are risks over both injury wise, but that's why we have medicals! 

I wouldn't have them as our main signings though, but they would nicely compliment a 5 million centre half, winger or striker  

Making Reed permanent would be top of the list too 

Edited October 1, 2018 by Bigdoggsteel

[BlackburnEnd75]

I'm hoping the injury to Nyambe gives Travis a chance at Right Back.

The other options for us there are:

1) Bennett - I would like to keep as the wide midfielder who adds balance

2) Reed - I would play in central midfield (which i think his last two performances deserve) and rest Corry Evans

3) Lenihan - Who need at Centre Back

We kept Travis around for a reason and it was probably this kind of scenario. I know a lot on here seem to think of him as a centre mid but he's got more experience playing right back then say Bennett has. The lads ready to play some football so lets give him a go.

[Bigdoggsteel]

1 hour ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

I'm hoping the injury to Nyambe gives Travis a chance at Right Back.

The other options for us there are:

1) Bennett - I would like to keep as the wide midfielder who adds balance

2) Reed - I would play in central midfield (which i think his last two performances deserve) and rest Corry Evans

3) Lenihan - Who need at Centre Back

We kept Travis around for a reason and it was probably this kind of scenario. I know a lot on here seem to think of him as a centre mid but he's got more experience playing right back then say Bennett has. The lads ready to play some football so lets give him a go.

I agree, but I don't think Travis is the option Mowbray will use. He hasn't gotten much game time this season, even in the cup. Very unlikely he will be thrown into the starting 11 for a league game. 

So that leaves the decision being which one of our centre midfielders, currently playing on the wing, but can also cover at right back, will Mowbray go for. 

Edited October 1, 2018 by Bigdoggsteel

[BlackburnEnd75]

29 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I agree, but I don't think Travis is the option Mowbray will use. He hasn't gotten much game time this season, even in the cup. Very unlikely he will be thrown into the starting 11 for a league game. 

So that leaves the decision being which one of our centre midfielders, currently playing on the wing, but can also cover at right back, will Mowbray go for. 

I think your right, can see Mowbray going with Bennett

[aletheia]

WIR second coming.

 

LOL

[blueboy3333]

17 hours ago, old darwen blue said:

et’s not forget the catalyst for Henderson losing it in front of the BBE in that second half was the abuse he received from some lads in the Darren End during the first half.  There you go, another reason why evicting us home fans from the DDE was a terrible idea. 

They had to make way for all the away teams that are filling the DE with their massive support. 

[blueboy3333]

20 hours ago, WIR Second Coming said:

Completely with you on all of this - and before anyone asks, I did 25 years as a referee from grass-roots to semi-pro level, and one thing I know for certain about football is that once the jerseys are on, the blinkers are on too, together with a complete lack of perspective and respect for the people doing their best to make each game work.

I have to admit though that I am as biased as any other 'normal' fan when it comes to observing games, but at least I can usually give the referee the benefit of the doubt, based on my own long experience of the challenges of being in the middle. Having said that, the second penalty for Forest on Saturday - what the foooooooque was the blind B****rd in black actually thinking? Benefit of the doubt, my *rse.

Roll on Sheffield Utd - jog on you referees

WIR

...and the blatant pen he didn't give for the challenge on Dack. But apart from that he had a good game.

To the tune of the Footloose classic 'Let's hear it for the boy':-

Let's hear it for the ref,

You got to give the ref a hand

Lets hear for A Madley

You know you gotta understand

 

Maybe he's incompetent

But he's a Forest one-man show

whoa whoa whoa whoa

Lets hear it for the ref

 

[barry_]

waggot's 'away fans' policy going well.

[old darwen blue]

Hey I can nearly see our old seats there, hope no one has discovered the tunnel yet. 

[bluebruce]

On Mon Oct 01 2018 at 09:26, Dreams of 1995 said:

It wouldn't be shrewd business if you can get them for free 6 months later. We are doing fine without them.

Well we can't sign Chapman for free in 6 months. Due to his age, they are due compensation.

[bluebruce]

On Mon Oct 01 2018 at 09:38, blueboy3333 said:

I'd like us to sign a central midfielder and play him on the wing. 

Think you might be in luck!