WBA VS ROVERS - SAT 27TH

[unsall]

2 hours ago, K-Hod said:

If we have 2 strikers (debatably 3) on the bench and an attacking midfielder playing as a striker, then it stands to reason that will be discussed. 

That can and usually is done without Mowbray's position being up for review in the eyes of fans on here or elsewhere. 

Yes I understand that, it’s debated before the game in the pub etc re the team as well as on the MB, I myself discuss it with others, but I don’t condemn the manager for picking the team, until after the game, and like Ive said if we get hammered he’s got it wrong give him stick, but on most occasions he gets it right, so why not wait till after the match.

You have to admit some posters do say he’s got it wrong, lost the plot etc, before the game, can’t see the point until game is played.

[Oldgregg86]

Why go again next season. I would have taken 20th at the start of the season. That was then. Alot can happen between now and the end of next season. We could lose our best players to top clubs, other championship clubs could get heavy investment making the league harder etc etc.

We are in a prime position with a decent squad and sit nicely coming into a transfer window. We should be fully going all out to go up this season..if we fail trying it's been a good season but why not capitalise on momentum and what is a superb squad of players full of belief. Ride the crest of the wave or next summer we could sit with dack gone Reed gone Palmer gone and one or two others and the rebuild starts again and we lose what is keeping us near the play off places. We could have an amazing season next season, it could go terribly wrong but right now it's going well so let's push now and have some ambition. We fail, we failed trying, not sit next season potentially saying that was the squad to get us up . 

[Leonard Venkhater]

Just now, Oldgregg86 said:

Why go again next season. I would have taken 20th at the start of the season. That was then. Alot can happen between now and the end of next season. We could lose our best players to top clubs, other championship clubs could get heavy investment making the league harder etc etc.

We are in a prime position with a decent squad and sit nicely coming into a transfer window. We should be fully going all out to go up this season..if we fail trying it's been a good season but why not capitalise on momentum and what is a superb squad of players full of belief. Ride the crest of the wave or next summer we could sit with dack gone Reed gone Palmer gone and one or two others and the rebuild starts again and we lose what is keeping us near the play off places. We could have an amazing season next season, it could go terribly wrong but right now it's going well so let's push now and have some ambition. We fail, we failed trying, not sit next season potentially saying that was the squad to get us up . 

Exactly!

They have to build on this in January...

[LDRover]

One thing that I didn't enjoy on Saturday was that I didn't hear 'oh I do like to be beside the seaside, oh I do like to be beside the sea, oh I do like to stroll along the prom prom prom where the brass band play F%×% off West Brom.....like in the good old days.

Edited October 29, 2018 by LDRover

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

I agree with much of this - it is amazing how the MB changes during a match as the score line changes. One poster even criticised Mowbray for not using the sub-goalkeeper.

Nobody should underestimate the job that Mowbray has done. We had a good budget for Div 1 - but at the end of the day we looked to be in terminal decline and some even said we would drop though Division 1 into oblivion. Contrast that with the current togetherness in the squad and (largely) those fans that attend at Ewood and on the road. Unfortunately (IMO) this has created unrealistic expectations among some fans - at the end of the day I still look at the points gap to the bottom three rather than top of the table. Having said that - given the promise in the squad I wouldn't be surprised to see us in the top 6 at the end of the season if we get a bit of luck with injuries etc.

 

 

50 minutes ago, unsall said:

Yeah agree with you, when we got promoted most of us including the manager wanted consolidation in this league, don’t think many fans thought we would get promoted.

I am not saying we couldn’t go up but I would be happy mid table this season, invest again in the next two windows and have good go at it next season, very similar to Sheffield United, who we seem to be following in their footsteps, promotion, consolidation and promotion, hopefully,  but who knows, very difficult division with a lot of clubs with big budgets.

Both of you I feel are failing to judge the comments or the individual match in isolation though.

I dont think anyone underestimates the job that Mowbray has done. Even Mercer, one of his most obvious critics, acknowledged the job hes done.

I also think its very dangerous and counter-productive to seemingly try and create an environment (on a messageboard of all places!) whereby people cannot air their opinions, good or bad, as they go, game by game, team selection by team selection, sub by sub, etc. And i can not fathom why @unsall you refuse to say anything post game, we want more opinions. Mowbray is more qualified than both of us combined but he wont always be right, and I think opinions, whether they agree or disagree with him, should be equally encouraged.

If you went onto any messageboard, for example, Man Citys, I bet people will air their opinions too, its part of what football is about, and not every one will match Guardiola's. 

I personally dont post during games, usually as I'm at the game, therefore I will tend to respond after games when the emotion has simmered slightly. I stand by the thoughts I had when I saw the team line up on Saturday, I wasnt in agreement with the Dack up front experiment continuing, and I still dont think it worked even now after the game. You could turn round to me and say, it worked because we got a point, but I dont think that selection earnt us the point. The 2 primary factors for me were a Reed wonder goal (a very successful Mowbray signing) and unbelievable team spirit on show yet again. (kudos to Mowbray again for that)

[Mattyblue]

I think it’s the Liverpool forum, RAWK that shuts down the board during the match.

[unsall]

1 hour ago, Oldgregg86 said:

Why go again next season. I would have taken 20th at the start of the season. That was then. Alot can happen between now and the end of next season. We could lose our best players to top clubs, other championship clubs could get heavy investment making the league harder etc etc.

We are in a prime position with a decent squad and sit nicely coming into a transfer window. We should be fully going all out to go up this season..if we fail trying it's been a good season but why not capitalise on momentum and what is a superb squad of players full of belief. Ride the crest of the wave or next summer we could sit with dack gone Reed gone Palmer gone and one or two others and the rebuild starts again and we lose what is keeping us near the play off places. We could have an amazing season next season, it could go terribly wrong but right now it's going well so let's push now and have some ambition. We fail, we failed trying, not sit next season potentially saying that was the squad to get us up . 

What you on about, you said you would have took 20th at the start of the season, what’s changed, same players from start of season, just saying as others are that expectations have changed like yours have, like I said,  if we can get up this season,brilliant, it’s a bonus, realistically consolidation.

Dont think you are taking into consideration of budgets, Rovers cannot compete with many of the teams who can splash the cash on wages, one of the reasons we didn’t get Marriott and others, not the transfer fee but the wages, don’t get me wrong I would love us to go up, but think we might have to wait a year or two.

[Leonard Venkhater]

34 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

 

Both of you I feel are failing to judge the comments or the individual match in isolation though.

I dont think anyone underestimates the job that Mowbray has done. Even Mercer, one of his most obvious critics, acknowledged the job hes done.

I also think its very dangerous and counter-productive to seemingly try and create an environment (on a messageboard of all places!) whereby people cannot air their opinions, good or bad, as they go, game by game, team selection by team selection, sub by sub, etc. And i can not fathom why @unsall you refuse to say anything post game, we want more opinions. Mowbray is more qualified than both of us combined but he wont always be right, and I think opinions, whether they agree or disagree with him, should be equally encouraged.

If you went onto any messageboard, for example, Man Citys, I bet people will air their opinions too, its part of what football is about, and not every one will match Guardiola's. 

I personally dont post during games, usually as I'm at the game, therefore I will tend to respond after games when the emotion has simmered slightly. I stand by the thoughts I had when I saw the team line up on Saturday, I wasnt in agreement with the Dack up front experiment continuing, and I still dont think it worked even now after the game. You could turn round to me and say, it worked because we got a point, but I dont think that selection earnt us the point. The 2 primary factors for me were a Reed wonder goal (a very successful Mowbray signing) and unbelievable team spirit on show yet again. (kudos to Mowbray again for that)

Good post. Opinions are what makes it work for me.

I love reading through the message board after a match is finished to read the various emotions...My particular pleasure is when an FFS is followed by GOOAAAL or BOOM...

Edited October 29, 2018 by Leonard Venkhater

[Oldgregg86]

Just now, unsall said:

What you on about, you said you would have took 20th at the start of the season, what’s changed, same players from start of season, just saying as others are that expectations have changed like yours have, like I said,  if we can get up this season,brilliant, it’s a bonus, realistically consolidation.

Dont think you are taking into consideration of budgets, Rovers cannot compete with many of the teams who can splash the cash on wages, one of the reasons we didn’t get Marriott and others, not the transfer fee but the wages, don’t get me wrong I would love us to go up, but think we might have to wait a year or two.

Expectation has changed after seeing the quality of the league and our team. Don't mistake my comments as we should be going up. That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is why say now let's consolidate and push on next year when we are riding on momentum and in a good place. I didn't believe the squad would be capable of competing consistently against the top teams. We are. Expections shouldn't be lowered , they should be raised but with a level of realism. Now is a good a time as any to strengthen within our means and have a good go. If we fall short then so be it. There is no guarantee we will be any stronger next season

[unsall]

9 minutes ago, Oldgregg86 said:

Expectation has changed after seeing the quality of the league and our team. Don't mistake my comments as we should be going up. That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is why say now let's consolidate and push on next year when we are riding on momentum and in a good place. I didn't believe the squad would be capable of competing consistently against the top teams. We are. Expections shouldn't be lowered , they should be raised but with a level of realism. Now is a good a time as any to strengthen within our means and have a good go. If we fall short then so be it. There is no guarantee we will be any stronger next season

Ok, let’s hope we carry on the good work, couple of decent signings in January, you never know, not the best window though in Jan, to get the best players but who knows, onwards and upwards.

[DE.]

On 27/10/2018 at 14:17, AllRoverAsia said:

Inspirational or insanity. We are going to find out soon.

I can't see that team defending very well so going for it?

Not a fan of the false 9 shit.

 

On 27/10/2018 at 14:23, CD_93 said:

Bizzare. Dack has been playing very deep sometimes recently (and completely smothered when on the ball) so at the very least we might be able to keep him up the pitch this time out.

But leaving three strikers on the bench... wowza.

 

On 27/10/2018 at 14:27, Mercer said:

Unbelievable.

To start with no recognised striker and have three on the bench of whom two cost £9million is farcical.

 

On 27/10/2018 at 14:27, yellowsubmarine said:

Weird lineup. We definitely aren't playing long balls then, gonna pass the ball around like Barca. Who needs strikers anyway.

 

On 27/10/2018 at 14:31, Bigdoggsteel said:

Not at all sure about this Dack upfront experiment. Win or draw and that will be irrelevant though 

 

On 27/10/2018 at 14:43, DE. said:

Strange line up indeed. If we were going to go experimental why not give Brereton a go up top? If we get a result here then I guess we all hold our hands up and say fair enough, Tony's a genius. If not then wtf. 

 

On 27/10/2018 at 15:00, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

JHC the tombola has struck big time today. I think it’s very very bizzarre how he brings the likes of Rothwell and Palmer in for one match then they don’t get a sniff for a couple weeks regardless of how they perform in said game. Imagine they must be peeved too. Let’s hope it comes off for TMs sake today but I just get the feeling that we’ll find the ball continuing to come back into our half with no Graham.

 

On 27/10/2018 at 15:03, Husky said:

LOL. Welcome to Tony's Tombola. You never know what you're gonna get.

 

On 27/10/2018 at 15:04, Tom said:

If we lose that’s a shocking decision, win and it’s inspired.

Either way it’s brave!

Some confusion and questions, sure, but somehow the only post talking about Tony losing the plot is focused on. I wonder why?

[blueboy3333]

6 hours ago, Biz said:

You do make a point though - how about a thread titled “discussion” intended for people to explain their thoughts and then a seperate one called “reactionary cathartic bullshit”?

Or 'Biz's thread' for short.

[unsall]

15 minutes ago, DE. said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some confusion and questions, sure, but somehow the only post talking about Tony losing the plot is focused on. I wonder why?

Very well researched, see you’re located in Ipswich, just out of interest what are the MB/ local rag messages saying about Ipswich’s poor start, personally thought they nabbed a decent gaffer in Hurst, didn’t last long, I know they gave big Mick plenty of stick, sometimes better the devil you know.

[DE.]

2 minutes ago, unsall said:

Very well researched, see you’re located in Ipswich, just out of interest what are the MB/ local rag messages saying about Ipswich’s poor start, personally thought they nabbed a decent gaffer in Hurst, didn’t last long, I know they gave big Mick plenty of stick, sometimes better the devil you know.

Ipswich fans were willing to give Hurst time up until the QPR match, basically. After that they really turned on him and performances just disintegrated to the point where it became obvious it wasn't going to work out. 

There's a similar divide across the Ipswich fans to us and Allardyce years ago. Pro-Mick fans blaming the anti-Mick fans for what's happened, anti-Mick fans saying he had to go and it isn't their fault Evans brought in the wrong person. All very familiar. 

The one thing most of them are in agreement over is that the current team is severely lacking quality and won't survive without reinforcements in January. It remains to be seen whether Evans will back Lambert in Jan, but they can't write the next two months off or they'll be sunk anyway. 

I saw a few of them talking about Lambert taking Bennett and Graham from us, as if either would go to Ipswich. There's some strong delusion on there. Most of them seem to think Mowbray would have gone there in the summer as well if they'd been serious about getting him. Absolutely no chance Mowbray would have left us for Ipswich imo, and I said as much at the time. A lot of them seem to be in denial about their current standing in the footballing landscape. 

[blueboy3333]

2 hours ago, unsall said:

but I don’t condemn the manager for picking the team, until after the game, and like Ive said if we get hammered he’s got it wrong give him stick, but on most occasions he gets it right, so why not wait till after the match.

Bore off. It's a message board for people to give their opinions whenever they want. If they want to call the manager a so-and-so for not picking a striker he spent £7m on and instead playing our best attacking midfielder there instead that's up to them. If they want to do that as soon as the team is announced that's up to them. Feel free to disagree with them, but don't just log in to have a tantrum every week. There's a few like you and it's getting rather tedious. 

[JacknOry]

3 hours ago, only2garners said:

Here's one.

I think that was the only one. Hardly representative.

[JBiz]

8 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

Or 'Biz's thread' for short.

Surely that cap fits you much more snugly Blueboy, based on what I recall you calling the M.O.T.M of the leeds game a week previous?

 

9 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

Bore off. It's a message board for people to give their opinions whenever they want. If they want to call the manager a so-and-so for not picking a striker he spent £7m on and instead playing our best attacking midfielder there instead that's up to them. If they want to do that as soon as the team is announced that's up to them. Feel free to disagree with them, but don't just log in to have a tantrum every week. There's a few like you and it's getting rather tedious. 

You know, complaining about people complaining isn’t exactly what I’d call riveting either.

[JacknOry]

2 hours ago, unsall said:

Yes I understand that, it’s debated before the game in the pub etc re the team as well as on the MB, I myself discuss it with others, but I don’t condemn the manager for picking the team, until after the game, and like Ive said if we get hammered he’s got it wrong give him stick, but on most occasions he gets it right, so why not wait till after the match.

You have to admit some posters do say he’s got it wrong, lost the plot etc, before the game, can’t see the point until game is played.

I was here on matchday - i really do not remember anyone other than maybe one or two that 'condemned' the manager.

[blueboy3333]

Just now, Biz said:

You know, complaining about people complaining isn’t exactly what I’d call riveting either.

You know, the only people to complain are the likes of you and Unsall. No real comment on the games, just on the people who post. Then when you get called out on it you start going on about people complaining about people complaining blah blah bah. Like I said the other day, Trump-esque. And very dull. 

[unsall]

18 minutes ago, DE. said:

Ipswich fans were willing to give Hurst time up until the QPR match, basically. After that they really turned on him and performances just disintegrated to the point where it became obvious it wasn't going to work out. 

There's a similar divide across the Ipswich fans to us and Allardyce years ago. Pro-Mick fans blaming the anti-Mick fans for what's happened, anti-Mick fans saying he had to go and it isn't their fault Evans brought in the wrong person. All very familiar. 

The one thing most of them are in agreement over is that the current team is severely lacking quality and won't survive without reinforcements in January. It remains to be seen whether Evans will back Lambert in Jan, but they can't write the next two months off or they'll be sunk anyway. 

I saw a few of them talking about Lambert taking Bennett and Graham from us, as if either would go to Ipswich. There's some strong delusion on there. Most of them seem to think Mowbray would have gone there in the summer as well if they'd been serious about getting him. Absolutely no chance Mowbray would have left us for Ipswich imo, and I said as much at the time. A lot of them seem to be in denial about their current standing in the footballing landscape. 

Thank you for that,nice to know what’s going on at other clubs with fans.

[blueboy3333]

Just now, Biz said:

Surely that cap fits you much more snugly Blueboy, based on what I recall you calling the M.O.T.M of the leeds game a week previous?

Nope, no idea what you're on about. 

[unsall]

17 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

Bore off. It's a message board for people to give their opinions whenever they want. If they want to call the manager a so-and-so for not picking a striker he spent £7m on and instead playing our best attacking midfielder there instead that's up to them. If they want to do that as soon as the team is announced that's up to them. Feel free to disagree with them, but don't just log in to have a tantrum every week. There's a few like you and it's getting rather tedious. 

I’m very sorry for boring you, and I will log in when I want,obviously not as much as you, super poster, there’s a few like you as well and you’ve always been tedious.

[JacknOry]

The whole reason this thread is still even going is because some choose to come on and make their bi-monthly visit just to attack the board as a whole. The thread was actually quite enjoyable until then. it was a surreal match where just about everything happened from an odd lineup, to numerous injuries, an epic performance and goal from Reed, midfielders playing everywhere and us ending up with Smallwood in goal. 

Many need to remember that emotions are running high on matchdays as believe it or not, we all want our team to win. People make spur of the moment comments that they will probably not even actually mean. I did wonder if someone had slipped something into TMs drink as the lineup was bizarre but of course know he is going to make his own decisions and believe them to be the right ones.

Those posters then play the victim card when they are called up on it. They throw a grenade into the thread then play the victim card.

[DE.]

2 minutes ago, unsall said:

Thank you for that,nice to know what’s going on at other clubs with fans.

A lot of people seem to think this forum and our fans exist in some kind of bubble with unique reactions to matches, managers, players, etc. Fact is it's the same across the land. That's what makes football a universal language, and why it's so easy to strike up a conversation with a total stranger about their club even if you know little about their team. 

[blueboy3333]

Just now, unsall said:

I’m very sorry for boring you, and I will log in when I want,obviously not as much as you, super poster, there’s a few like you as well and you’ve always been tedious.

You're right. I'm engaging with a dullard like you which really doesn't say much for me.