ROVERS v Sheff Wed

[blueboy3333]

34 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

He said with their attacking players they should be playing attacking players.

Can't argue with that logic.

[blueboy3333]

35 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Reach played in the 10 role with Mathis and Joao wide first half and even when Forresterri came on he played wide left instead of his best position the 10 role. 

I thought Reach played wide right. He attacked down the wing quite a few times, like when he went clean through and Raya had to save. 

[47er]

53 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

That's a cop out. 

The facts are Mowbray has never signed a proper winger on a permanent. He signed Chapman on loan but then never played him. Mowbray has had a policy of signing strikers, No.10's, and CM's and then playing them out wide. That policy has failed miserably this season. I can't think of another manager that does it with such poor returns. 

It is not up to the brilliant minds of BRFCS to pick Mogga's team for him, as you would be quick to point out. But if Conway plays so well that Mogga says straight after the match that Conway will play again at Boro next week then it makes you wonder why he hasn't played before. Afterall, he sees him in training every day. What Mogga has really done is put his hand up and admitted his experiment, which worked to a degree in L1, is not going to work against better teams in the Champ. 

I hope Mowbray now makes it his number 1 priority in the transfer window to buy a left footed winger to play on the left wing. Reach, who played on the right yesterday, would be the perfect choice. Conway, as good as he was, still got the ball taken off him nearly every time he tried to check back on his right foot because the full back knew what was coming. When Conway carried on down the outside of the full back he always got his cross in or won a corner. That was definitely something he did differently than in his earlier appearances this season. His intelligent use of the ball stood out against the performances of AA, Palmer and every one else Mogga has tried out there. As you point out, he was also able to offer support and cover far better than the non-specialised, ad-hoc collection of central strikers and central midfielders that have played there this season. Probably because he knows how to be a winger. 

Trying to be clever and re-invent the wheel with his inverted 'wide-forwards' has to stop. Imagine how much better we'd be with a proper threat out wide rather than AA losing the ball or Bell turning back all the time. Mowbray can now save face (he doesn't like admitting he's wrong) by keeping Conway there and pulling out all the stops to find a left footed left winger. His experiment has failed. 

So true. The problem is that Conway could start next game and be completely anonymous.

What this game should show Mowbray is how we had an extra dimension to our attacking play because we had a genuine winger rather than a "wide forward" and that he should sign one in January.

[PeteJD13]

22 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

no 2 nil Rovers

@Tom, @J*B and @PeteJD13 have all met me at Rovers events or games

No I can confirm Chaddy is real and  a decent bloke !

on the game super performance yesterday I thought Conway provided an outlet we’ve been missing. Downing looked assured and solid, we looked like scoring every time we went forward. What pleased me most was when it went to 2-1 and 3-2 we didn’t sit back we carried on going forward. 

[Tom Stinny]

14 hours ago, Gav said:

You can't blame the minority, who are mostly Mowbray fans, shoving it right down the armchair experts throtes when everything they claim, crumbles around them Matty.

Drop Dack, Graham's past it and Conways a ****.

The reaction today after 2 defeats was phenomenal and long may it continue. 

            ****Disclaimer****

Wednesday were absolutly shocking. 

 

 

 

 

Think you need to be careful with not getting ahead of yourself we played a very poorly managed Shefield Wednesday team who are bang out of form.

 

Anyone including myself who have been critical of the manager have been justified in their opinion because the last few games have been diabolical. A victory yesterday should be EXPECTED at home, fair play for going out and doing it but let's calm down with the "I told you so's"

 

Manager still has his job cut out for me. December could quiet easily go down the pan with no victories at all in the entire month. On the flip side it could boost us further up the league but to make that statement is very premature.

 

Highlighted yesterday that a simple winger playing out wide impacts an entire team. Yet some would back the manager in playing the such as Reed, Armstrong in wide positions. That's down to the manager. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if in the next game he'll play a different side with the such as Bennet and Armstrong out wide again.

[JBiz]

23 minutes ago, Tom Stinny said:

Think you need to be careful with not getting ahead of yourself we played a very poorly managed Shefield Wednesday team who are bang out of form.

Anyone including myself who have been critical of the manager have been justified in their opinion because the last few games have been diabolical. A victory yesterday should be EXPECTED at home, fair play for going out and doing it but let's calm down with the "I told you so's"

 

Manager still has his job cut out for me. December could quiet easily go down the pan with no victories at all in the entire month. On the flip side it could boost us further up the league but to make that statement is very premature.

 

Highlighted yesterday that a simple winger playing out wide impacts an entire team. Yet some would back the manager in playing the such as Reed, Armstrong in wide positions. That's down to the manager. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if in the next game he'll play a different side with the such as Bennet and Armstrong out wide again.

Firstly - for how poor Sheffield Wednesday played, I can’t remember you praising Preston for doing a job on us or Wigan for roughing us up to their advantage. We played far far better yesterday, regardless of the opposition.

Secondly - any fans who go to matches with a recently promoted team and “expects” them to win is watching the wrong sport. Obviously, I thought we could win but it’s not an expectation. That talk is saved for entitled united fans.

The third paragraph about December could be good or bad? Well, you did it there mate - well done. Nobody can argue with that! We could win OR lose some games in December..!

Finally; Conway staying around was at the behest of the manager. Yesterday proved to many who doubted that contract in the summer, Craig’s got quality to give. Actually surprised me his impact. You called it a risk in a must win (utter melodramatic btw) game, I’d say playing CC is the least risky choice of those wide options.

How anyone could then go on to criticise the manager on a perceived team selection for the next game (bring Bennett/AA straight in)... it’s called stretching, Stinny.

Edited December 2, 2018 by Biz

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

4 minutes ago, Biz said:

Firstly - for how poor Sheffield Wednesday played, I can’t remember you praising Preston for doing a job on us or Wigan for roughing us up to their advantage. We played far far better yesterday, regardless of the opposition.

Secondly - any fans who go to matches with a recently promoted team and “expects” them to win is watching the wrong sport. Obviously, I thought we could win but it’s not an expectation. That talk is saved for entitled united fans.

The third paragraph about December could be good or bad? Well, you did it there mate - well done. Nobody can argue with that! We could win OR lose some games in December..!

Finally; Conway staying around was at the behest of the manager. Yesterday proved to many who doubted that contract in the summer, Craig’s got quality to give. Actually surprised me his impact. You called it a risk in a must win game, I’d say playing CC is the least risky choice of those wide options.

How anyone could then go on to criticise the manager on a perceived team selection for the next game (bring Bennett/AA straight in)... it’s called stretching, Stinny.

Err, Mowbray " expected " us to win. He said so immediately after the Wigan debacle. I can see why he was so confident now. 

[JBiz]

7 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Err, Mowbray " expected " us to win. He said so immediately after the Wigan debacle. I can see why he was so confident now. 

Forgive me TS, I had forgot I can only think what TM tells me! 

[the original david brent]

11 hours ago, 47er said:

Wouldn't mind Bannon if we were to lose Dack. Outstanding display in a very poor side.

Bannan is very talented when he is on the ball and all of Wednesdays best play came through him. However on yesterday’s showing he seems very lazy defensively. Mowbray likes players who put a shift in off the ball and do the defensive work too - particularly central midfielders - see his criticism of Rothwell. 

Two of our goals started with poor and lazy defending by Bannan - the second Downing walked past him like he wasn’t there. It’s even worse for the fourth - he does no tracking back at all and allows Travis to run past him from 30 yards away. It looks really poor watching the goals back on tv and I’d be fuming if I was a Weds fan! 

I have to admit I have some humble pie to eat re team selection. In the pub pre match I suggested Dack should be dropped to give him a ‘rocket up the backside’. I also said Brereton should start over Graham! I was still reeling from my trip to Wigan. They were both outstanding yesterday. Fortunately I’m not the manager! 

The build up and moves in the run up to our goals was top class (albeit helped by lacklustre defending). Dacks first touch in the build up for the last goal - to beat their defender in the box - was worthy of a top class premier league player. 

As for Wednesday - I can see them potting their manager. I have just seen his post match interview on sky - he lacked conviction and looked a defeated man.

[blueboy3333]

2 minutes ago, david brent said:

I have just seen his post match interview on sky - he lacked conviction and looked a defeated man.

...and a Charlie Chaplin look-a-likey

             

Charlie Chaplin                                                              SWFC manager

Edited December 2, 2018 by blueboy3333

[dingles staying down 4ever]

1 hour ago, 47er said:

So true. The problem is that Conway could start next game and be completely anonymous.

What this game should show Mowbray is how we had an extra dimension to our attacking play because we had a genuine winger rather than a "wide forward" and that he should sign one in January.

but with recent performances of Dack, it proves that any player can anonymous in a game.

Conway put in a great performance yesterday and has given Mowbray a plan B to the long ball now the ball is in mowbray's court to judge when to go long or go wide.

The worry for me is that in one game we look energetic but in the Wigan game to look so laboured. 

[Waggy76]

1 minute ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

but with recent performances of Dack, it proves that any player can anonymous in a game.

Conway put in a great performance yesterday and has given Mowbray a plan B to the long ball now the ball is in mowbray's court to judge when to go long or go wide.

The worry for me is that in one game we look energetic but in the Wigan game to look so laboured. 

I maybe wrong here but the  majority of poor performances have been in midweek games ......Reading , Sheffield Utd at home .

Swansea , Wigan away ...,,Have we won a midweek game this season ????

Why ? I have no idea ,,,

[DE.]

Can we stop the "recently promoted" talk? It's starting to annoy me a bit. It seems like a way for positive posters to justify having little faith in Tony or the team to actually achieve something decent this season.

Whilst it's technically true to say we're recently promoted, we spent a single solitary season in League 1 and absolutely smashed it. Reason being we should never have been there, and the only reason we were was because our idiot owners sabotaged us with Coyle. Mowbray's points per game ratio after he was appointed proves that we had a team in 16/17 that should have survived relatively comfortably, and probably would have if we had appointed, say, Warnock - as was supposed to happen. We also went down on a record points total - in the vast majority of seasons we would have survived with the points we accrued, even with Coyle's mismanagement taken into account.

That said, talk of being "recently promoted" - as if we're fucking Shrewsbury or Burton Albion - might have some credit if we had lost a lot of our better players upon relegation and TM had needed to rebuild from scratch as a result. This, however, did not happen. We retained all of our better players. Raya, Nyambe, Lenihan, Mulgrew, Evans, Conway, Bennett, Graham - ALL RETAINED. We also added a Championship-ready player in Bradley Dack to supplement an already strong side. 

So, all of that considered, why is it being considered some kind of miracle that we're in mid table and able to compete with the likes of Sheffield Wednesday? We were recently promoted out of a division we should never have been in, with a squad that had by and large already proven itself more than capable of competing in the Championship. I don't think there's any need to talk down the club, the players and the manager by referring us to a "recently promoted" club like we spend years in League 1 and finally have our shot at the big time. It was only a few years ago we were competing for playoff places in this league ffs. Granted we've had a pretty significant turnover of players since then, but it's not like Nyambe is any worse than Todd Kane or Adam Henley, or Williams/Bell are that much of a downgrade from Tommy Spurr. Smallwood is no worse than Jason Lowe and according to most on here Jordan Rhodes was a huge hindrance to the team so surely Graham is an upgrade in that department? 

TM was as furious as the rest of us after the non-performances at Preston and Wigan, and rightly so. He clearly has ambitions for the club and I'm with him on that. We deserve to be in this league and we are completely capable of competing. Getting mauled by the likes of Bristol City, Wigan or Preston is in no way acceptable, irrespective of the league we were in last year. Judging from Mowbray's reaction to the defeats I'm pretty sure he feels the same way. 

[Bbrovers2288]

18 minutes ago, DE. said:

Can we stop the "recently promoted" talk? It's starting to annoy me a bit. It seems like a way for positive posters to justify having little faith in Tony or the team to actually achieve something decent this season.

Whilst it's technically true to say we're recently promoted, we spent a single solitary season in League 1 and absolutely smashed it. Reason being we should never have been there, and the only reason we were was because our idiot owners sabotaged us with Coyle. Mowbray's points per game ratio after he was appointed proves that we had a team in 16/17 that should have survived relatively comfortably, and probably would have if we had appointed, say, Warnock - as was supposed to happen. We also went down on a record points total - in the vast majority of seasons we would have survived with the points we accrued, even with Coyle's mismanagement taken into account.

That said, talk of being "recently promoted" - as if we're fucking Shrewsbury or Burton Albion - might have some credit if we had lost a lot of our better players upon relegation and TM had needed to rebuild from scratch as a result. This, however, did not happen. We retained all of our better players. Raya, Nyambe, Lenihan, Mulgrew, Evans, Conway, Bennett, Graham - ALL RETAINED. We also added a Championship-ready player in Bradley Dack to supplement an already strong side. 

So, all of that considered, why is it being considered some kind of miracle that we're in mid table and able to compete with the likes of Sheffield Wednesday? We were recently promoted out of a division we should never have been in, with a squad that had by and large already proven itself more than capable of competing in the Championship. I don't think there's any need to talk down the club, the players and the manager by referring us to a "recently promoted" club like we spend years in League 1 and finally have our shot at the big time. It was only a few years ago we were competing for playoff places in this league ffs. Granted we've had a pretty significant turnover of players since then, but it's not like Nyambe is any worse than Todd Kane or Adam Henley, or Williams/Bell are that much of a downgrade from Tommy Spurr. Smallwood is no worse than Jason Lowe and according to most on here Jordan Rhodes was a huge hindrance to the team so surely Graham is an upgrade in that department? 

TM was as furious as the rest of us after the non-performances at Preston and Wigan, and rightly so. He clearly has ambitions for the club and I'm with him on that. We deserve to be in this league and we are completely capable of competing. Getting mauled by the likes of Bristol City, Wigan or Preston is in no way acceptable, irrespective of the league we were in last year. Judging from Mowbray's reaction to the defeats I'm pretty sure he feels the same way. 

Superb post, wholly agree

[Oldgregg86]

That proves it. Like most have said all season get a proper wide man in and we can be a real threat. Leave Armstrong brereton and Graham to compete for the striker role creating good competition for places knowing you don't perform there are two other lads waiting to do a job. Get a winger in who will cross the ball and beat a man a strong centre back and a solid left back and I don't think we would be to far away providing next season we can keep or replace Reed with equally if not better Calibre player. Next season going forward we need to add a centre mid with more dynamism than Smallwood or Evans. Eventually both need phasing out 

Danny Graham has made it into the brockhall of Fame with his side foot Lazar shots

Edited December 2, 2018 by Oldgregg86

[Mattyblue]

If the summer interest in Freeman and Chapman was real, perhaps a wide man will happen in January...

Edited December 2, 2018 by Mattyblue

[Oldgregg86]

2 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

If the summer interest in Freeman and Chaplan was real, perhaps a wide man will happen in January...

Both would be welcomed with open arms and would really transform the team

[Tom Stinny]

1 hour ago, Biz said:

Firstly - for how poor Sheffield Wednesday played, I can’t remember you praising Preston for doing a job on us or Wigan for roughing us up to their advantage. We played far far better yesterday, regardless of the opposition.

Secondly - any fans who go to matches with a recently promoted team and “expects” them to win is watching the wrong sport. Obviously, I thought we could win but it’s not an expectation. That talk is saved for entitled united fans.

The third paragraph about December could be good or bad? Well, you did it there mate - well done. Nobody can argue with that! We could win OR lose some games in December..!

Finally; Conway staying around was at the behest of the manager. Yesterday proved to many who doubted that contract in the summer, Craig’s got quality to give. Actually surprised me his impact. You called it a risk in a must win (utter melodramatic btw) game, I’d say playing CC is the least risky choice of those wide options.

How anyone could then go on to criticise the manager on a perceived team selection for the next game (bring Bennett/AA straight in)... it’s called stretching, Stinny.

Like to apologise pal for the post. I put it across to strong and made it an attack. Sorry for that.

 

Agree with some of what you've said. I don't think Preston had an amazing game play to shut us down more so the lack of a focal point to play from. Wigan seemed like a lack of fight and idea.

 

Conway was really good yesterday and I did say he was a cautious pick. I think a better thing to say would be. Imagine if we had a young Conway or two for both wide positions either side of Dack.

 

The term expect to win was wrong as well but I do think any home game we should have a good chance of winning as that's where you target a good majority of points from.

 

The Armstrong and Bennet line relates to the fact neither are out and out wingers. I do think the team has a top 10 - 8 base to build from with the spine of the team such as Raya, Mulgrew, Reed, Dack and Graham.

 

Again like I said sorry for how it came across. I've been a Rovers fan all my life and remember the games in the prem and the cup game against Chelsea which were brilliant games.

I just want to club back where it used to be as it never should have fallen to pieces like it did.

[Tugay's Right Foot]

Been down with a bout of illness, missed quite a number of matches and it hurt. This was a great result but still need to look at the concession of 2 goals.

we are playing 5 of the current top 6 next? Tough December coming up lads 

[JacknOry]

Not much anyone could have done for the first strike as it was a belter but the second was definitely avoidable.

[Stuart]

2 hours ago, blueboy3333 said:

...and a Charlie Chaplin look-a-likey

             

Charlie Chaplin                                                              SWFC manager

Tip: when inserting pictures, upload your pic, get to the stage below and then tap on the uploaded photo and it’ll insert it at the point in the text you want it to go.

and then you can carry on typing. ??

[Exiled in Toronto]

4 hours ago, blueboy3333 said:

That's a cop out. 

The facts are Mowbray has never signed a proper winger on a permanent. He signed Chapman on loan but then never played him. Mowbray has had a policy of signing strikers, No.10's, and CM's and then playing them out wide. That policy has failed miserably this season. I can't think of another manager that does it with such poor returns. 

It is not up to the brilliant minds of BRFCS to pick Mogga's team for him, as you would be quick to point out. But if Conway plays so well that Mogga says straight after the match that Conway will play again at Boro next week then it makes you wonder why he hasn't played before. Afterall, he sees him in training every day. What Mogga has really done is put his hand up and admitted his experiment, which worked to a degree in L1, is not going to work against better teams in the Champ. 

I hope Mowbray now makes it his number 1 priority in the transfer window to buy a left footed winger to play on the left wing. Reach, who played on the right yesterday, would be the perfect choice. Conway, as good as he was, still got the ball taken off him nearly every time he tried to check back on his right foot because the full back knew what was coming. When Conway carried on down the outside of the full back he always got his cross in or won a corner. That was definitely something he did differently than in his earlier appearances this season. His intelligent use of the ball stood out against the performances of AA, Palmer and every one else Mogga has tried out there. As you point out, he was also able to offer support and cover far better than the non-specialised, ad-hoc collection of central strikers and central midfielders that have played there this season. Probably because he knows how to be a winger. 

Trying to be clever and re-invent the wheel with his inverted 'wide-forwards' has to stop. Imagine how much better we'd be with a proper threat out wide rather than AA losing the ball or Bell turning back all the time. Mowbray can now save face (he doesn't like admitting he's wrong) by keeping Conway there and pulling out all the stops to find a left footed left winger. His experiment has failed. 

A bit too much knowing what goes on in Mogga’s mind but I don’t disagree with the thrust of your argument. I saw two different points being proven yesterday: we have been missing a man who knows how to play the wide midfield role, but I don’t think that was a slam dunk case for Chapman-esque wingers. As you point out, Conway didn’t skin the fullback down the outside, but his nous in defending, holding the ball up - I don’t think he hoofed it once - drawing fouls, incisive passing, direct running at the defence and some decent shots was a delight to see. Which was really the point of my tongue-in-cheek comment: the main lesson learnt should be for everyone who had written off Conway and slammed the manager for keeping him around. Conway clearly can still contribute - who knows how often - and I wouldn’t mind another like him, a bit like when Jim Smith’s team had Waggy and Taylor out wide. I totally agree that Armstrong/Palmer etc shoukd either win a place in their preferred positions or work harder on their game till they do. Reed has proved adaptable enough to play a wide-ish midfield role effectively.

[Bigdoggsteel]

Thought Smallwood did well yesterday. Nice pass to Dack for Grahams hat trick, magic feet by Dack on receiving the pass though. Wednesday gave Dack the run of the final third and that was either naive or arrogant on their behalf. Assists and goal aside he sprayed some beautiful passes into space. Was it Dacks best game for us? 

Edited December 2, 2018 by Bigdoggsteel

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

If the summer interest in Freeman and Chapman was real, perhaps a wide man will happen in January...

Would like Freeman but QPR owner has said this week they will be no players ins or outs at the club in January. 

Edited December 2, 2018 by chaddyrovers

[DaveyB]

5 hours ago, blueboy3333 said:

That's a cop out. 

The facts are Mowbray has never signed a proper winger on a permanent. He signed Chapman on loan but then never played him. Mowbray has had a policy of signing strikers, No.10's, and CM's and then playing them out wide. That policy has failed miserably this season. I can't think of another manager that does it with such poor returns. 

It is not up to the brilliant minds of BRFCS to pick Mogga's team for him, as you would be quick to point out. But if Conway plays so well that Mogga says straight after the match that Conway will play again at Boro next week then it makes you wonder why he hasn't played before. Afterall, he sees him in training every day. What Mogga has really done is put his hand up and admitted his experiment, which worked to a degree in L1, is not going to work against better teams in the Champ. 

I hope Mowbray now makes it his number 1 priority in the transfer window to buy a left footed winger to play on the left wing. Reach, who played on the right yesterday, would be the perfect choice. Conway, as good as he was, still got the ball taken off him nearly every time he tried to check back on his right foot because the full back knew what was coming. When Conway carried on down the outside of the full back he always got his cross in or won a corner. That was definitely something he did differently than in his earlier appearances this season. His intelligent use of the ball stood out against the performances of AA, Palmer and every one else Mogga has tried out there. As you point out, he was also able to offer support and cover far better than the non-specialised, ad-hoc collection of central strikers and central midfielders that have played there this season. Probably because he knows how to be a winger. 

Trying to be clever and re-invent the wheel with his inverted 'wide-forwards' has to stop. Imagine how much better we'd be with a proper threat out wide rather than AA losing the ball or Bell turning back all the time. Mowbray can now save face (he doesn't like admitting he's wrong) by keeping Conway there and pulling out all the stops to find a left footed left winger. His experiment has failed. 

I don’t want to rain on your ‘Mowbray knows nothing’ parade, but just a couple of points that I think need making:

1) Conway’s last appearance was against Derby (I think) where he was, rightly, taken off halfway through the first half. I don’t recall many on here (including you) demanding his reinstatement to the team following that game 

2) Whilst it’s true that Armstrong isn’t a natural winger and he has struggled at times, he was also arguably our best player in the games against Leeds and Rotherham playing from that left wing and, again, I don’t recall many on here demanding he be dropped or moved from that position following those games.