Venkys - Welcome or Not?

[Adam C]

11 minutes ago, old darwen blue said:

I’m certainly not bitter but I possess a very long memory. Just remember a pessimist is an optimist with experience. There have been reasons why this lot bought us and still exist, and I don’t think any are of benefit to the club nor it’s fans. 

Aye well you’re entitled to your views but the question was if they apologised and turned up at the matches. I think that would indicate that their motives for owning a football club might have changed. Never forget but be ready to forgive is my way of looking at it. 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

2 hours ago, The Hypnotic said:

If we had owners that admitted to mistakes in the past, humbly asked for forgiveness and started showing an interest in our club then surely that’s what we all want?

Well why the bloody hell don't the arrogant sods get on with it and show some interest and correct their  mistakes?

10 years on and were still waiting..........

Yes that's right Hypnotic,they have made terrible mistakes,crippled the club but it's time to forgive?

LIKE FCUK!!!!

Edited November 20, 2019 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[Amo]

2 hours ago, The Hypnotic said:

Life is too short to waste time wallowing in bitterness and negativity. The Venkys have made terrible mistakes and have undoubtedly crippled our football club but they have invested a huge amount now and it’s all in the past. Concentrate on the present moment. If we had owners that admitted to mistakes in the past, humbly asked for forgiveness and started showing an interest in our club then surely that’s what we all want?

Cope.

[rigger]

14 minutes ago, arbitro said:

JHRover issued a challenge the other day for anybody to name one area of the club where we have seen an improvement in the last nine years. That includes ALL aspects of the club.

I can't think of any.

Has any aspect improved since Jack passed away, never mind the last nine years?

Edited November 20, 2019 by rigger

[Leonard Venkhater]

17 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Well why the bloody hell don't the arrogant sods get on with it and show some interest and correct their  mistakes?

10 years on and were still waiting..........

Yes that's right Hypnotic,they have made terrible mistakes,crippled the club but it's time to forgive?

LIKE FCUK!!!!

Only one "Simon Garners 194"!

[Stuart]

36 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Well why the bloody hell don't the arrogant sods get on with it and show some interest and correct their  mistakes?

10 years on and were still waiting..........

Yes that's right Hypnotic,they have made terrible mistakes,crippled the club but it's time to forgive?

LIKE FCUK!!!!

It beggars belief that some folk are saying Venkys have learned from their mistakes!

Here we are 9 years into their time with us STILL worrying that if Mowbray leaves then they’ll employ someone worse.

Does that sound like an organisation that has learned from their mistakes??

[rigger]

7 minutes ago, Stuart said:

It beggars belief that some folk are saying Venkys have learned from their mistakes!

Here we are 9 years into their time with us STILL worrying that if Mowbray leaves then they’ll employ someone worse.

Does that sound like an organisation that has learned from their mistakes??

Who has said that they have learned from their mistakes. I think you will find that people have said, IF they have learned, perhaps we should move on, for the good of the club.

[DeeCee]

There's always Hope ⚡

[Stuart]

Just now, rigger said:

Who has said that they have learned from their mistakes. I think you will find that people have said, IF they have learned, perhaps we should move on, for the good of the club.

Yeah, no, I’m not going to do that.

They need to put us back where we were when they sidled up and then leave.

[Scotland1]

 Voted willing to forgive.

i won’t forget but il forgive. Think they’ve been pretty on the spot as owners since returning from L1.

70 percent plus wouldn’t mind them returning. About time they showed live for the “baby”

Edited November 20, 2019 by Scotland1

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, rigger said:

Has any aspect improved since Jack passed away, never mind the last nine years?

Promotion to the PL, Carling Cup win, several European adventures. 

I don't believe we will see any of the above whilst these people own us.

[Stuart]

Just now, arbitro said:

Promotion to the PL, Carling Cup win, several European adventures. 

I don't believe we will see any of the above whilst these people own us.

It’s like trying to tread water while the person with their foot on your head throws £50 notes at you.

And we are all getting older while we wait. There could well be fans around now who never see us in the top flight again.  

[Silas]

Moot point really. Venkys would never apologise, or be contrite and accept their failures.

One, because it's not really part of their culture I understand, and two, because they strike me as pretty arrogant and spoilt human beings. 

Besides, words are empty. Actions do the talking.  Get us realistically competing for promotion to the Prem and my views might soften.

But signing cheques off to prop up the club certainly isn't enough to earn my forgiveness. They created this mess, and are doing very little to rectify it. They're merely stopping us sinking further, halting the decline.

Now way I'm going to be thankful or forgiving for that.  

[Scotland1]

Just now, Stuart said:

It’s like trying to tread water while the person with their foot on your head throws £50 notes at you.

And we are all getting older while we wait. There could well be fans around now who never see us in the top flight again.  

Growing consensus and change amongst the fan base ideally is that people no longer hate or don’t want them to succeed or keep failing but out of hope or kindness or continued misery but take your pick as opposed to the Kean Anderson days where I’ve never seen such a moderate laid back non demanding fan base arise against such a group of people. you couldn’t argue Blackpool and Oystons as there fan base isn’t as reserved as ours. The level of hate back then was extrodinary from such folk as rovers fans.

Edited November 20, 2019 by Scotland1

[Stuart]

Just now, Scotland1 said:

Growing consensus and change amongst the fan base ideally is that people no longer hate or don’t want them to succeed or keep failing but out of hope or kindness or continued misery but take your pick as opposed to the Kean Anderson days where I’ve never seen such a moderate laid back non demanding fan base arise against such a group of people. you couldn’t argue Blackpool and Oystons as there fan base isn’t as reserved as ours. The level of hate back then was extrodinary from such folk as rovers fans.

And yet we got no support.

You say “no longer hate” or “not wanting them to succeed” (bit patronising) but I for one am still waiting for them to SHOW us that they have any intention to succeed. Sticking with Bowyer and Mowbray for as long as the did/have suggests that as long as things don’t get worse they are happy to watch us drift.

Giving the latter £14m to waste while nothing is done to bring more fans to the club does not make them any more endearing. If that were my money I’d be doing a Levy not a Shebby. (There may be a Don McLean song in there somewhere).

I don’t hate the Raos, they are fools who would be pitied if it wasn’t our club.

I just want them gone after they have paid the debt they owe Jack.

[47er]

6 minutes ago, Stuart said:

 

And we are all getting older while we wait. There could well be fans around now who never see us in the top flight again.  

You're not wrong there!   

[rigger]

10 hours ago, MCMC1875 said:

I wish they would just f**k off tonight and leave tomorrow for us to put the pieces back together again.

Desai, Fat Barry, Jagdish, Confused, Babu, Pasha, Waggott, Cheston, Sylvester, Mowbray, Venus, Lowe. One of you must be reading this. F**k off the lot of you and shut the door on your way out.

I totally agree, but the only problem is. They might shut the door, but they may also turn the lights off as well.

[Amo]

We've been debating "life after Venky's" for years now. Fact of that matter is that so long as the sword of damocles hangs over us, a lot of fans won't care about Venky's holding the deeds as long as we're still in a competitive division.

[Vinjay]

On 19/11/2019 at 19:04, Vinjay17 said:

...but JH they were not supporters and they didn't care about football. That's the usual excuse from certain people isn't it?

So let's say Jack had left a trust fund for scientific research of rare diseases. Would people say "oh well they don't have that disease themselves. They probably won't get it either so why would they care about it?". Would they give in to every whim of a greedy family there as well (and still have legal action taken against them) or is it just football clubs where trustees can make up rules as they go along?

Can't believe I didn't say this years ago. It's such a great point with unlimited logic there's really no comeback to it. 

[old darwen blue]

19 hours ago, The Hypnotic said:

Aye well you’re entitled to your views but the question was if they apologised and turned up at the matches. I think that would indicate that their motives for owning a football club might have changed. Never forget but be ready to forgive is my way of looking at it. 

I have got to say that I admire your position pal and you’re fully entitled to your view. Not for me though ?

[Cherry Blue]

On 20/11/2019 at 18:14, The Hypnotic said:

Aye well you’re entitled to your views but the question was if they apologised and turned up at the matches. I think that would indicate that their motives for owning a football club might have changed. Never forget but be ready to forgive is my way of looking at it. 

After 9 years TH that's a mighty big if. But they wont. 

The owners are business people not football and I'm pretty much 100% sure there are people connected with the club who have advised/suggested that they reconnect (sorry I mean connect!) but its a business venture and they will not look further than that.

Prove me wrong Venkys!

Edited November 21, 2019 by Cherry Blue

[Adam C]

16 minutes ago, Cherry Blue said:

After 9 years TH that's a mighty big if. But they wont. 

The owners are business people not football and I'm pretty much 100% sure there are people connected with the club who have advised/suggested that they reconnect (sorry I mean connect!) but its a business venture and they will not look further than that.

Prove me wrong Venkys!

Sadly I think you’re right CB. I sometimes think about how amazing it would be to have owners that are genuinely interested,  just like normal clubs ?

[Vinjay]

Fans in their early-mid 20's now won't even know what that's like.

Edited November 21, 2019 by Vinjay17

[Crimpshrine]

On 12/08/2017 at 17:04, den said:

From solid Premier League club with little debt, to a club losing its first two games in the old third division and £100m+ in debt, closing radio rovers and staff redundancies.

for Gods sake, just sell up, just go! You've failed and you're still failing. 

A concerted alliance of assorted supporter groups bolstered by a social media campaign has urged Donald to quit Wearside and, in a statement on Tuesday, Sunderland outlined his plans to grant their wish.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jan/07/sunderland-fans-ire-owner-stewart-donald-sell-club

 

Maybe we should give this a go.

 

 

[Dreams of 1995]

2 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

A concerted alliance of assorted supporter groups bolstered by a social media campaign has urged Donald to quit Wearside and, in a statement on Tuesday, Sunderland outlined his plans to grant their wish.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jan/07/sunderland-fans-ire-owner-stewart-donald-sell-club

 

Maybe we should give this a go.

 

 

We have Crimpshine. They won't go and don't care how little we think of them. They are horrid people.

I think this topic should be locked after the below response.

Q: Are Venkys welcome?

A:

NO