Reading v Rovers

[Beanie01289]

14 minutes ago, BennyBennyson said:

This is why I have no confidence with the 'stay safe and build from there' mentality. We will loose the likes of Dack and Reed in the summer and TM dosnt have the talent to bring in replacements. We will not build, only continue to drop if the past is anything to go by 

Such a good job that he inherited both of those players then eh oh wait. 

[Bbrovers2288]

Just now, stinny1 said:

Reading didn't  have too work hard for there goals tonight  and we've  too many square pegs in round holes players needed  left back , right back with paces and proper winger with paces a big strong center half and a Stricker over too you Tony

And a goalkeeper, centre backs, centre mids and a stronger bench. Most probably a new manager to boot 

[Tom]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Rovers didn't take their 1st half chances and it was very costly. Armstrong twice, Bell and Conway should all have scored. But all didn't and it proved costly. 

Second half we created more chances Brereton, Dack and Bell. Bell scored and good on him keep getting in there. Brereton should scored. 

Brereton was alot better today and he can build on this. His touch and movement was good. if Armstrong plays a better ball to him 1st half he 1 and 1 with Keeper instead it was poor ball but he still manage to pull it back to Armstrong who should scored. 

Defence not good enough for goals but why do you show Oliveria inside when he is all right footed. Clueless. 

Thought Dack was far too deep when he came on. 

Today's defeat wasn't down to poor team selection(as some/most people will say) but failure to take your chances. The game should have been dead and buried by the time they scored 1st goal. after that we still created chances. Yes our defending was poor for the goals. no question of that

Of course it’s down to the manager; they were comfortably the worst team we’ve played this season, we played a weakened team and lost.

They missed the best two chances of the match, one from a corner once again showing frailties at things we should be working on.

I thought we had a lot of the ball but didn’t create much the first half chances were mainly half chances but we should still have done better with them than we did.

[Paul Mellelieu]

a) Tm got us promote

b) We are safe

c) He's helped to pull the club together after the worst period in out history

d) Look at wigan and co

e) Calm down

[blueboy3333]

Just now, Beanie01289 said:

Such a good job that he inherited both of those players then eh oh wait. 

2 out of 20 aint bad

[G Somerset Rover]

Just now, Tom said:

Of course it’s down to the manager; they were comfortably the worst team we’ve played this season, we played a weakened team and lost.

They missed the best two chances of the match, one from a corner once again showing frailties at things we should be working on.

I thought we had a lot of the ball but didn’t create much the first half chances were mainly half chances but we should still have done better with them than we did.

Exactly - they should have had 4 for a start. We cannot defend - end of.

[Bbrovers2288]

Just now, Paul Mellelieu said:

a) Tm got us promote

b) We are safe

c) He's helped to pull the club together after the worst period in out history

d) Look at wigan and co

e) Calm down

Taken us as far as he can though, if you don’t progress you stagnate and fall

[blueboy3333]

Just now, Paul Mellelieu said:

a) Tm got us promote

b) We are safe

c) He's helped to pull the club together after the worst period in out history

d) Look at wigan and co

e) Calm down

All fair points. The real questions are how long will Venkys give Mowbray and what targets has he been given? 

[Ewood Ace]

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Today's defeat wasn't down to poor team selection(as some/most people will say) but failure to take your chances. The game should have been dead and buried by the time they scored 1st goal. after that we still created chances. Yes our defending was poor for the goals. no question of that

It might have helped us to take those chances if our top two goal scorers had played. Instead the front 3 consisted of Armstrong 4 League goals, Conway 0 League goals and Brereton 0 league goals. Whereas on the bench we had Dack 11 League goals and Graham 10 League goals. Do you not think if one or both of those had been selected that we would have been far more likely to take one of those chances?  

[Rover_Shaun]

Getting beat away at Reading is what you'd expect  from a run of the mill slightly below average championship team and manager. On another day it could have been 1-2 or 3-1

[Waggy76]

5 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

It might have helped us to take those chances if our top two goal scorers had played. Instead the front 3 consisted of Armstrong 4 League goals, Conway 0 League goals and Brereton 0 league goals. Whereas on the bench we had Dack 11 League goals and Graham 10 League goals. Do you not think if one or both of those had been selected that we would have been far more likely to take one of those chances?  

Fair point !!

[Miller11]

7 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

a) Tm got us promote

b) We are safe

c) He's helped to pull the club together after the worst period in out history

d) Look at wigan and co

e) Calm down

a) Anything less would have been a complete failure

b) Blackburn Rovers falling into the third tier was utterly disgraceful. For it to happen again would be unforgivable 

c) True... but he gets a lot of slack for not being I have been stopped from posting this by moderators. Coyle

d) Wigan aren’t a club we should be happy to benchmark against

e) People are always going to react to a result and performance like this. Much of the criticism isn’t knee jerk, but well reasoned and perhaps most worryingly things we’ve been hearing time and time again

[davulsukur]

Too loyal to poor players.

Smallwood and Conway aren't good enough and Bennett needs to be moved from right back.

Edited February 13, 2019 by davulsukur

[joey_big_nose]

If we lose 3 more on the bounce he'll lose his job, but I doubt that will happen.

He's not going to lose his job after just getting manager of the month. There's no point wasting your energy arguing about it.

Realistically - barring an absolutely catastrophic run of results - he'll be here till early next season.

 

[Paul Mellelieu]

Just now, Miller11 said:

a) Anything less would have been a complete failure. LOT'S OF OTHER TEAMS HAVE GOT STUCK IN L1

b) Blackburn Rovers falling into the third tier was utterly disgraceful. For it to happen again would be unforgivable  NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN

c) True... but he gets a lot of slack for not being I have been stopped from posting this by moderators. Coyle. SEE ANSWER TO B

d) Wigan aren’t a club we should be happy to benchmark against WE ARE WHEN THEY FINSHED ABOVE US LAST SEASON

e) People are always going to react to a result and performance like this. Much of the criticism isn’t knee jerk, but well reasoned and perhaps most worryingly things we’ve been hearing time and time again.  MUCH OF IT SOUND LIKE A CRYING TEENAGER

 

[Husky]

17 minutes ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Taken us as far as he can though, if you don’t progress you stagnate and fall

I wonder just how many of the Happy Clappers or otherwise have got a Nokia Smartphone these days.

Answers on a BRFC postcard.

[Rover_Shaun]

Below The Nobbers the first time this season 

#lowpoint

[roversfan99]

Another frustrating, gutting defeat for a team I am constantly told is progressing in the right direction, but am unsure, we've lost 8 in 15 in a period where Mowbray has got manager of the month, an incredible stat, and we have I think conceded the most away goals in the league.

Last season, we seemed to have gained a resolute nature to our team and an ability to grind out results most weeks even with poor performances at times, seemingly that was just down to poor opposition. We have now returned to being flimsy, easy to beat, mentally weak, defensively woeful and disorganised.

Firstly, lets pull no punches, Mowbray got his team selection wrong. Like at Sheffield United, we have ended up losing on the back of "resting" half of our team only to need to bring on our 2 best players anyway due to being behind. He has to stop these random team selections, if Allardyce had have picked a team like that he would have been accused of throwing a game.

We will not push forward and ever challenge for promotion under Mowbray whilst he continues to neglect and based on his quotes this week not worry about our defensive solidity and organisation. Our defensive record is embarrassing, especially conceding late and conceding when sitting on leads, we have such a weak underbelly which has not been addressed.

The perfect symbol of our defence is one of Mowbrays only signings in defence; Amarii Bell. He is an absolute coward of a defender, he is so easy to beat and get a cross in for a winger, and I know he scored (aided by woeful keeping) but usually going forward he is terrible too. He is a perfect example of our defence, and has all the symptoms of it in abundance, he is weak, he is quite the opposite of brave, he is unintelligent in terms of his positioning, he cant tackle and any competent wide man will have a field day against him. Our full back area in general has been horribly neglected, Bennett is never a full back in a million years either, yet Mowbray doesnt even seem interested in fixing those key areas.

Raya is a liability too, they should have scored a header when he went walkabouts and his kicking is a joke. Our central defenders dont have any help to the sides or behind them but for all their composure, they dont inspire you with confidence either. 

The frustrating part was that some of our ball retention and some of our pressing was good, but ultimately it is all undone by our weak underbelly. We can say we are about where we should be and perhaps thats right but until the manager looks to fix this major problem, and give us firm foundations, we will continue to be inconsistent and continue to concede goals by the bucket load.

Brereton I actually thought had his best game in a Rovers shirt, and that included a decent spell in the first half where he was hopeless and gave the ball away numerous times. I felt that Mowbray playing him wide left him out to dry, his good work came when he drove inside which ultimately exposes the full back behind him. But his ability to carry the ball and run with it between the lines meant he showed far more in 60 or 70 minutes than he has prior overall. Ultimately though, the main thing he did was miss an absolute sitter and by a considerable distance, and as a striker his terrible finishing will continue to undermine him, although at least it didnt go out for a throw in, his usual destination. 

There was no reason to include Conway and there was no reason to include Smallwood. Neither are of any significance to us if we want to progress and the former in particular is a busted flush, his legs have totally gone. Evans was arguably our best player, Travis was better than on Saturday but his initial few performances seem a long time ago now, and Armstrong missed a couple of big chances and didnt really impress having changed positions. 

As for the subs, Graham and Dack are not impact subs, they should have started. Rothwell showed plenty of energy and did well for the goal, he beats players with ease but he tends to run in whatever direction hes facing, often going on mazy dribbles towards his own goal. Needs to be more intelligent.

[Gamst]

I am conflicted when it comes to TM. My hunch is that he will struggle to take us any further. I don't feel like he is ruthless enough to get the best out of the players and the soft underbelly that we repeatedly show is evidence of that. Having said that, he deserves more time to prove the doubters wrong as he has generally done a sterling job so far. His most significant contribution has been the way he reversed the club's rapid descent and brought some pride back in the badge. He has mostly achieved this by being a thoroughly nice man. He deserves to be given every reasonable opportunity to get us back to the promised land! 

[Butty]

44 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

Who bought Bell?

Shebby 

[Butty]

26 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

What a load of over-the-top responses.  

As always on here.  

[blueboy3333]

Just now, Butty said:

Shebby 

Nah. Even Shebby knows Bell is shit. 

[tomphil]

9 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Too loyal to poor players.

Smallwood and Conway aren't good enough and Bennett needs to be moved from right back.

I know what you're saying but they were far from the worst tonight although I think the loyalty card extends too far to the likes of Bennett TM is clearly looking to shoehorn him in now for the sake of it. A great utility man but probably should be doing that from the bench at the min.

Bell & Williams are another case in point as it really wouldn't cost big money to upgrade one of those yet he won't do it and prefers to bemoan not being able to throw enough at the likes of Austin and Assombalonga.

Edited February 13, 2019 by tomphil

[booth]

He's crap he's good he's crap he's good...

And round and round we go.

Should have strengthened in Jan and not gambled on a kid. That's that.

[roversfan99]

28 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

What a load of over-the-top responses.  

We've lost 8 in 15.

We've conceded the most goals in the league away from home.

Only 3 teams have conceded more than us this season.

We have thrown away one of if not the most points in the league from winning positions.

Our manager has said he is not worried about our defensive record this week.

We have signed a 7 million striker who is yet to score for the club.

We lost to 3rd bottom after our manager chose to make wholesale changes that were almost universally disagreed with pre-match.

What did you expect?