Summer Transfer Window 2019

[AllRoverAsia]

Just now, Songman said:

Did Fielding not sign for Millwall a couple of weeks ago?

He did, some communication guy at BC. LOL

[rovers11]

Reading between the lines, Raya was clearly told we were going to bring in another GK and he was unlikely to be an automatic first choice. He therefore pushed for a move to a club where he would be first choice. TM doesn't rate Raya and that has been clear from some of the comments he made about him last season and dropping him for the final few games of the season.

On other transfer rumours, I wouldn't want to sign Butterfield and I don't think we will. However, I do think we'll end up signing Charlie Adam as he does have that bit of quality that is hard to come by and therefore he is probably worth taking a risk on. He's never had any pace so I think it's more about whether he still has the motivation to work hard and stay fit. 

My hunch is that it will be a busy week. The Gallagher situation will likely move forward now that Wigan have made a bid, I'm pretty sure he'll come here if we match their offer. I also suspect we'll know the identity of Raya's replacement towards the end of the week.  

 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

4 hours ago, Give 'Em the Axe said:

What would the feeling be in we lost out to Wigan for the services of Gallagher? I'd be peeved given that he has been our radar for so long and I think he can be very good for us.

I know that some posters are less enthusiastic about his signing, so would it be okay if he picked Wigan?

I'd not be bothered. There must be better players out there.

[Boroblue]

Just now, neophox said:

Burnleys Centre half Ben Gibson may be available. Was under Mowbray at Boro.

Did Burnley not pay boro £15 million for gibson

[Oldgregg86]

24 minutes ago, ChrisPriceBaldSpot said:

I think we are almost certainly heading towards Carson, Hart or Ruddy. 

Hart gets a lot of stick but just like Friedel did, maybe he can restart his career at Ewood. 

Ruddy would be my choice but wouldn't complain at  either of the other 2.

Unfortunately we are no longer in a position to complain as we desperately need one of them

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

10 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Ben Benson is our goalkeeping coach isn't he?  So who else would work with Raya?

Look, I don't think Benson is up to the job for the reasons stated and it's impacted on Raya.  It's as simple as that and it is my opinion.

Perhaps I've listened and read to too many of Mowbray's comments and it's rubbing off on me.  To refer to Adams as 'a kid' post Barrow match was ridiculous.

I think Raya hasn't improved since he first came into the team. The aspects of the game he was poor at then, he's still poor at now. Decision making is a key aspect of being a player, any position,  not just in goal. The top players make the right decision at speed nines times out of ten.The more you play the better you should be at it, just like any job.  Raya seemed to have gone backwards in this vital respect. Somebody has to be responsible for that. 

[Glosrover]

8 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

He did, some communication guy at BC. LOL

Perhaps I should have clarified when he told me.....

[MarkBRFC]

6 minutes ago, Boroblue said:

Did Burnley not pay boro £15 million for gibson

Yes, and they want to recoup the fee if possible.

 

[neophox]

9 minutes ago, Boroblue said:

Did Burnley not pay boro £15 million for gibson

They did, made 5 appearances and may leave. Cant see anyone buy him for that figure.

[roversinmyblood]

Just now, neophox said:

They did, made 5 appearances and may leave. Cant see anyone buy him for that figure.

He may be the one earmarked for the “premiership loan”?

[briansol]

11 minutes ago, rovers11 said:

Reading between the lines, Raya was clearly told we were going to bring in another GK and he was unlikely to be an automatic first choice. He therefore pushed for a move to a club where he would be first choice. TM doesn't rate Raya and that has been clear from some of the comments he made about him last season and dropping him for the final few games of the season.

On other transfer rumours, I wouldn't want to sign Butterfield and I don't think we will. However, I do think we'll end up signing Charlie Adam as he does have that bit of quality that is hard to come by and therefore he is probably worth taking a risk on. He's never had any pace so I think it's more about whether he still has the motivation to work hard and stay fit. 

My hunch is that it will be a busy week. The Gallagher situation will likely move forward now that Wigan have made a bid, I'm pretty sure he'll come here if we match their offer. I also suspect we'll know the identity of Raya's replacement towards the end of the week.  

 

 

It's been well documented by Rich Sharpe on several occasions that the club was looking to bring another goalkeeper. If I remember correct that was the case before last season as well when we were linked with Fielding. It seems pretty clear that he would bring in another keeper this summer, Raya didn't want to be a backup choice, so fair play to both parties I guess. I would've liked Raya to stay and compete, but I can see being the main man at Brentford appeals to him.

For us we needed a more commanding option whether Raya had stayed or not. As rightly stated, he didn't get much help from inept defending of the box, but we need a keeper that will do his part as well.

[HowieFive0]

Just now, roversinmyblood said:

He may be the one earmarked for the “premiership loan”?

 I realllllly cant see that lot loaning us one of their players ..

[briansol]

Just now, neophox said:

They did, made 5 appearances and may leave. Cant see anyone buy him for that figure.

Wages would be a massive issue. Strange that you buy a defender for 15 mill and give him 1(!) PL match. 

[tomphil]

26 minutes ago, rovers11 said:

Reading between the lines, Raya was clearly told we were going to bring in another GK and he was unlikely to be an automatic first choice. He therefore pushed for a move to a club where he would be first choice. TM doesn't rate Raya and that has been clear from some of the comments he made about him last season and dropping him for the final few games of the season.

On other transfer rumours, I wouldn't want to sign Butterfield and I don't think we will. However, I do think we'll end up signing Charlie Adam as he does have that bit of quality that is hard to come by and therefore he is probably worth taking a risk on. He's never had any pace so I think it's more about whether he still has the motivation to work hard and stay fit. 

My hunch is that it will be a busy week. The Gallagher situation will likely move forward now that Wigan have made a bid, I'm pretty sure he'll come here if we match their offer. I also suspect we'll know the identity of Raya's replacement towards the end of the week.  

 

 

TM doesn't rate Raya as in he thinks he's got potential but isn't up to it week in week out so needs another competitive no 1 to work with and more time ?

OR

TM has had a spat with him and saw a potential few million in transfer funds after telling him he'd be frozen out ?

[MarkBRFC]

Just now, HowieFive0 said:

 I realllllly cant see that lot loaning us one of their players ..

Why?

Nobody at either club is bothered about that sort of thing apart from the fans.

I remember when the roles were reversed and we were a stable top flight team and they were a mid table/lower half champ team, we loaned them Andy Todd and Jay McEverley.

Just hammers home how things have changed unfortunately.

Edited July 8, 2019 by MarkBRFC

[lraC]

Just now, MarkBRFC said:

Why?

Nobody at either club is bothered about that sort of thing apart from the fans.

I remember when the roles were reversed and we were a stable top flight team and they were a mid table/lower half champ team, we loaned them Andy Todd and Jay McEverley.

Just hammers home how things have changed unfortunately.

Exactly. Its more a fans thing too the rivalry and although it is fierce, if it makes sense for the clubs and the player. 

[Mercer]

45 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I have no doubt that is what you believe and I’m sure neither does anyone else. 

You really don’t need to repeat yourself in every post, I don’t think anyone  needs any light to be shed on your view of our goalkeeping coach.

Some on here just posting Raya 'wanted to go' so there's little we could do.

Clearly, not as simple as that.  There has to be a reason or reasons.

Just rationalising my opinions which I least I do!

An old colleague of mine had a saying - 'that pigeon's been shagged to death'.  You seem to think it has so I'll therefore leave the subject alone now!

 

[Miller11]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

Some have posted on here that Raya wanted to leave.  Full stop.  The question is why?

IMO, the main reasons why Raya wanted to leave:

• His game wasn't developing as fast as it should.  IMO, that is down to 'boy' Benson our goalkeeping coach, the kid who started work in Carlisle Community Team and has never (as far as I'm aware) played professional football.  Coaching a goalkeeper is a specialist art - you need someone who's done it and got the tee shirt, a mentor who knows the art inside out from having played the game and a mentor who can build confidence and resonate with the difficulties and hurdles a young goalkeeper will face.  Hasn't Rayna already said the goalkeeping coach at Brentford is a good reason for going there - equally, I think you could interpret that Benson was a good reason for Raya wanting to get away from here.
• Was made a scapegoat for Rovers' defensive woes.  Hasn't Mowbray done that again in his LT comments?  Last season, I can recall Mowbray openly criticising Raya and Nyambe (easy targets) but don't recall a word against Bennett who, IMO, was horrendous at right back or Williams / Bell at left back who, IMO, were persistent accidents waiting to happen, and boy did they happen!  Time and time again, our defence was ripped to shreds leaving Raya exposed.  If Mowbray, Venus and Lowe were capable of organising a defensive unit, bringing in appropriate reinforcements where needed, this would not have happened.  So, IMO, Raya's inexperience has become an easy shield for Mowbray to hide behind.

Was Raya the finished article?  Not by a long way but he has all the attributes to develop into a top class goalkeeper which I think he will.  As for crosses, I think your comments are completely wrong.  You learn by analysing, working on the the training field and putting into practice - for that, you need a goalkeeping coach with the know how and an ability to build confidence in the goalkeeper.  If the goalkeeper respects the goalkeeping coach for what he himself has done in the game and brings to to the table in terms of player development then you have a very decent chance.

I’d also question how much we as a team worked on crosses during training. We always like very susceptible to them defensively and barely ever utilise them in our attacking play.

[Give 'Em the Axe]

Just now, Mercer said:

'that pigeon's been shagged to death'

?

I love it!

[alderson777]

1 hour ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Got a Link, first time I have seen that suggestion.

TM stated that when it was apparant that Brentford were interested in May that Raya has made it clear he was interested in leaving. 

[tomphil]

Mowbray is changing tack every interview as the weeks roll by now and to be fair he won't be the only one doing that football changes day to day however he's laid down his marker as honest Tony a few years ago so I think he should start batting in a straight line again.

He said he wanted ready made players but is looking like delivering has beens glossed over as that.

He said he wanted defenders to help the team then lost his long term target to a smaller more ambitious club then brushed it off as he was only back up anyway.

Now he's saying he wants an experienced keeper to 'help the defensive unit' which really sounds like he's no intention of actually strengthening that after telling us 'defenders are coming' then being gazumped on Bauer.

Following this logic prepared to be shocked and underwhelmed when it's a zimmer frame keeper or non at all.

[Bigdoggsteel]

18 hours ago, roverandout said:

Villa are a premier League club so how is that relevant?

You wouldn't understand even if I explained it to you 

[martonrover]

50 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I think Raya hasn't improved since he first came into the team. The aspects of the game he was poor at then, he's still poor at now. Decision making is a key aspect of being a player, any position,  not just in goal. The top players make the right decision at speed nines times out of ten.The more you play the better you should be at it, just like any job.  Raya seemed to have gone backwards in this vital respect. Somebody has to be responsible for that. 

But it can't help when you have a terrible defence in front of you. It's an old saying that a keeper is only as good as his defence.

When Mowbray has finished collecting elderly midfielders, perhaps he will get round to our biggest problem area.

[FGS5635]

To be fair to Raya, I thought up until he got his face smashed in he was seeming to make progress.

He really seemed to regress again after that injury

[briansol]

14 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Some on here just posting Raya 'wanted to go' so there's little we could do.

Clearly, not as simple as that.  There has to be a reason or reasons.

Just rationalising my opinions which I least I do!

An old colleague of mine had a saying - 'that pigeon's been shagged to death'.  You seem to think it has so I'll therefore leave the subject alone now!

 

I think the reason is pretty clear, he wasn't automatic first choice anymore.

As I've said earlier, Rovers were looking to bring in another keeper before Raya left. 

Mowbray is keen to provide competition to Raya and Leutwiler, and add to his goalkeeping department, with a more experienced ‘keeper at Championship level on the wishlist.

The boss has made no secret of that, with ex-Rover Frank Fielding eyed last summer

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/17649944.raya-receives-interest-as-rovers-consider-keeper-options/