Summer Transfer Window 2019

[Sparks Rover]

2 minutes ago, Mike E said:

I’m not convinced we should be signing a player who couldn’t get into a newly promoted L1 side.

If you look at Rothwell stats it might say similar , minus the promotion to the premier league 

 

 

Edited May 30, 2019 by Sparks Rover

[Fraserkirky]

We have Rothwell, and you can bloody write his name in black permanent marker on the team sheet,  playing Left wing day one, you then have Chapman who’s natural position for me is left wing, and if not then you have Armstrong who is dangerous coming in off the left and shooting also and played there numerous times last year.

I fail to see why we are bringing in 35 year old wingers? Striker, Right Wing, Centre Mid, Centre Back and GK are all much bigger needs.

Disclaimer: He is significantly better than Conway and his set pieces would be useful.

Edited May 30, 2019 by Fraserkirky

[DeeCee]

If he comes it should be on a free and a pay as you play deal at that age.

[AllRoverAsia]

5 hours ago, JoeHarvey said:

I think you underestimate Ben Brereton, and overestimate Danny Graham.

DG a good player for any team in the bottom half of the Championship... but never going to get us higher. 

BB could, maybe, get us there, and that’s worth the risk.

You underestimate and demean Graham and on the evidence so far overestimate Brereton.

Graham has bought the T-Shirt, Brereton is not even in the Shop.

We are not after a Striker in this Window to sit on the Bench as 3rd choice.

I for one put no value in your musings on here, at least one self-promoting tipster turns up on this MB every bloody Window.

 

Edited May 30, 2019 by AllRoverAsia

[JacknOry]

Our player of the season is not good enough? I would suggest that it is others in the team that are not good enough way before him.

There is always an upgrade to any player but I would suggest you could put Ronaldo up front and we would get nowhere if we do not improve more pressing positions. We showed last season that we can score three and still not be confident of coming away with the points. How many leads did we let slip? Investment needs putting into the back line long before we consider a replacement for our POTY.

I would argue that if we had spent BB's money on a quality CB, LB and possibly keeper, we would have finished in (or at least much closer to the playoffs this season). DG is not the problem so not sure why this poster is calling him average. If he is average, it says a lot about the rest of them team considering he was overwhelmingly the standout player for most last season.

He will need replacing at some point as age catches up but that's why we bought BB apparently. We also have AA, Nuttal and Samuel (if desperate) for that position next season. Fix defence first, bring in a CM replacements for Reed/Smallwood and then you can possibly look at another striker.

Edited May 30, 2019 by JacknOry

[Paul Mani]

I said very early on (before the Christmas window and Assombalonga-gate) that the priority had to be a mainline striker. At that point our defence was a little leaky but had yet to break its banks...form after January highlighted our need for defenderS and a commanding goalkeeper but I still say that we need a frontline striker to challenge / replace DG.

This is not me demeaning DG who has been absolutely fantastic. I don’t accept the point that he’s a ‘mid to lower table Championship striker’. But strikers win games. All of the teams chasing promotion have several options available to them. 

Im not going to be one (like a few on here) who write BB off a 20yr Old who has represented his country and is highly rated in the game. I feel wholeheartedly that those who already have could have their words played back to them by their mates poking fun at them for many years to come. But even if BB, AA and Nuttall are all fit, we still need another striking option to challenge and provide ready made cover for that position right now. An Assombalonga, Waghorn, Hugill type with experience and goals at this level.

[arbitro]

Waggott will be delighted if Downing signs. He will insist on his squad number being 26 and then he can shift all them shirts now gathering dust. ?

Are there any Conways out there we can buy?

[Mattyblue]

Of course a striker has to be a priority. We were a Graham injury away from a big problem last season.

 

[MarkBRFC]

For me, I'd be pretty content if we kept what we had and got in a quality Centre half and a striker.

Lenihan needs a real partner In there, with Williams, Mulgrew and the kids as back up.

Should something happen to Graham, we're left with either Nuttall, Brereton or Samuel leading the line, not many goals in that lot.

If the budget stretched to a centre mid then great, but i'd really like to see Travis & Davenport given a chance to forge a partnership in there, I really think they would compliment each other well.

 

[JHRover]

Quite sickening reading parts of Mowbray and Waggott's interview in India. Talk of selling Dack and using Burnley as an example of what we are trying to do here. Not what I like to hear in public really, even if that is privately the policy.

The big interview and the talk is of trying to copy Burnley and potentially selling your best player. Not exactly going to get the pulses racing is it? 

[BankEnd Rover]

 

8 hours ago, Miller11 said:

Give what a rest exactly? Should I become absolutely hysterical at the prospect of being linked with someone, write him off before he’s even signed... let alone kicked a ball, and get all misty eyed about a player who the vast majority said was past it 72 hours ago but now seems to have inexplicably taken on legendary status?

If your reading of my post leads you to conclude that those are my thoughts on former clubs, try again without what I can only assume is blind rage clouding your judgement. I was pointing out that Downing has had a far more illustrious career than Conway, which would lead me to conclude he is a better player. The level at which he has plied his trade for the majority of his career being one factor.

Rochina was a selfish show pony and didn’t fit our team. I thought Keith Andrews was solid enough for us and got a tough time... but people are drawing comparisons more to the signing of Whittingham... who I did think would turn out to be decent. Turns out he wasn’t... Gordon Cowans was though.

Sometimes these sort of signings work out, sometimes not. Our fan base bemoan a lack of experience one minute, then claim anyone 32 years or over needs putting down. Personally, as I stated before, I’d rather us sign a winger in his mid 20s, proven and at his peak, who would regularly terrorise defences and help fire us to promotion with ease and stay with us for years to come... we aren’t going to be in the market for one of them though. 

There's a difference between a younger lad not 'working out' & a 35 year old not. There is no excuse in signing Stewart Downing. I'm not bothered if he turns out to be okay. The guys 35! We need YOUNG players who want to learn and adapt. Downing is on his last legs, replacing Conway with him is utter shambles.

[tomphil]

8 hours ago, adz4d2 said:

Dowling link is only posotive, the dressing room is full of inexperienced talented young players, they need someone who has been there and done it to learn from and downing fits the mould, weve just lost conway who allthough didnt play much this season was a big character behind the scenes, downing will only improve chapman, Armstrong and brereton, his delivery from crosses and deadballs have been consistently good for the best part of the last decade so having that around the building when our deadball specialist probably wont play much next season can only be a good thing, TM needs to assemble a squad capable of promotion next season, to do that there are many different peices to the puzzle, downing can provide some much needed discipline to performing at a promotion/premier league level for the duration of the season. 

I did wonder about the Mulgrew dilemma when Downings name popped up and that theory would make sense so it's a fair point to mention.

However on reflection I personally think Mulgrew is a shoe in again from the start of the season at least, two dead ball specialists in squad wouldn't do any harm of course although Mulgrew is probably better at it than Downing if we are being honest and the lack of legs and big wages for the pair of them would be a concern to me.

Seems to be going around the houses trying to add something whilst looking after favoured players of the manager and as I said before the wages of those two added together if he comes would pay for a very good striker or maybe even Reed or similar.   It would be spreading money around the squad again instead of investing in quality imo although maybe he's no choice but the BB fee & wages, CM wages and the poss of Downings added together is a lot of money but you'd have to mould all three together to make one real quality player who could make an instant difference.

Add in the fact that the squad would then be carrying him, Chapman, Rodwell possibly, Fielding possibly and Gladwin still plus whatever version of Samuel comes back I can't help thinking all that money drain could be used a lot better.

[Guest]

9 hours ago, tomphil said:

That's your opinion so fair enough but it's no wonder you get called a wind up sometimes.

I'll put it down to inexperience and let you off though.

Saying that Danny Graham will never be a Top 6 striker again isn’t a wind up it’s the truth.

And saying that Ben Brereton COULD be is backed up by the fact we spent £7m on him.

I mean honestly, I could get behind the idea of clean oxygen and people would find a way to make it evil.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

There are experienced players and then there are players past their best and on the way down. For every Gordon Cowans and David Wagstaffe there are the Danny Murphy's and Peter Whittinghams. It's a big risk and you tend to get more wrong than right.

For me replacing Conway with Downing is a pointless exercise. We aren't improving the team in any real, long term way. We do need experience but I'd rahter be signing a Kevin Moran, John MacNamee type if that's the road we are going down.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, JoeHarvey said:

Saying that Danny Graham will never be a Top 6 striker again isn’t a wind up it’s the truth.

And saying that Ben Brereton COULD be is backed up by the fact we spent £7m on him.

I mean honestly, I could get behind the idea of clean oxygen and people would find a way to make it evil.

Nothing that I've seen out on the pitch suggests that Big Ben could step into Danny Graham's shoe in goal scoring terms. He's never going to be prolific in front of goal unless he completely changes the way he plays and I can't see that happening any time soon.

[Guest]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Nothing that I've seen out on the pitch suggests that Big Ben could step into Danny Graham's shoe in goal scoring terms. He's never going to be prolific in front of goal unless he completely changes the way he plays and I can't see that happening any time soon.

Well I think the fact we paid £7m for him shows he may quite easily be a better player than DG in the future, and the only way to unlock that is to give him game time.

One or two starts isn’t enough to judge a player on. I’m just saying he COULD be great, backed up by the fact we scouted him as a club and shelled out millions for him.

[Mattyblue]

The fact BB cost 7 million means bugger all, many a manager has thrown money away. 

We spent £10 million on Nathan Blake and Ashley Ward. 

 

[jim mk2]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

There are experienced players and then there are players past their best and on the way down. For every Gordon Cowans and David Wagstaffe there are the Danny Murphy's and Peter Whittinghams. It's a big risk and you tend to get more wrong than right.

For me replacing Conway with Downing is a pointless exercise. We aren't improving the team in any real, long term way. We do need experience but I'd rahter be signing a Kevin Moran, John MacNamee type if that's the road we are going down.

 

Agree. If we're going to sign players in the early to mid-30s I would have no objection to us signing a big centre half who is going to provide much-needed leadership on the pitch like Moran and MacNamee. Those 2 would instantly improve the current Rovers side in their playing days. There must be some warhorses out there possibly released by Premier League clubs who could do us a good job - wages might be high but it would be money better spent than on the likes of Downing.  

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, JoeHarvey said:

Well I think the fact we paid £7m for him shows he may quite easily be a better player than DG in the future, and the only way to unlock that is to give him game time.

One or two starts isn’t enough to judge a player on. I’m just saying he COULD be great, backed up by the fact we scouted him as a club and shelled out millions for him.

Err how does that argument stack up regarding Grabbi and Davies ? Utd paid mega bucks for Sanchez does that mean he's going to be a success story. Ditto Andy Carroll.

[Guest]

Just now, Mattyblue said:

The fact BB cost 7 million means bugger all, many a manager has thrown money away. 

We spent £10 million on Nathan Blake and Ashley Ward. 

 

The point is, if TM and his scouting team, and the England youth set up didn’t think he could make it, he wouldn’t be here. 

And they know a lot more than anybody on here.

[Guest]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Err how does that argument stack up regarding Grabbi and Davies ? Utd paid mega bucks for Sanchez does that mean he's going to be a success story. Ditto Andy Carroll.

Again I’ll explain.

We have a scouting team (who know more than me or you) and they obviously rate him. The England youth set up obviously rate him.

I’m saying, he wouldn’t be here for £7m and have played at International level at a young age if people who know football didn’t think he was good enough.

[Mattyblue]

BB will play when he is good enough to get past DG, not because we spent money on him... and he’s currently not even close .

Ridiculous to say otherwise.

[jim mk2]

Just now, JoeHarvey said:

And saying that Ben Brereton COULD be is backed up by the fact we spent £7m on him.

 

A big fee means nothing. We wasted countless millions over the years on the likes of Davies, Ward, Blake, Daly, Grabbi etc etc etc

[JacknOry]

Just now, JoeHarvey said:

Well I think the fact we paid £7m for him shows he may quite easily be a better player than DG in the future, and the only way to unlock that is to give him game time.

One or two starts isn’t enough to judge a player on. I’m just saying he COULD be great, backed up by the fact we scouted him as a club and shelled out millions for him.

Did we?

TM said he signed him because he had a good game against us the last time we were in the Championship. I dont think any scouting actually occurred, he was offered to us via an agent Forest hired to get the player sold. This was a project signing for a large sum of money in the hope that one good season will see his value double. 

[Beanie01289]

Why the hysteria over potentially signing Downing if he fits in the wage structure and the manager rates him.