Summer Transfer Window 2019

[47er]

9 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Good start.....

I guess Nyambe will be played there if needed.

Lenny and Mulgrew for the first few games then

Plenty more goals from corners then. I despair. Lessons unlearned.

[Gone to seed]

Samba is an interesting shout - Just 35 (DOB 28-03-1984) and a Rovers legend in his time. Burned his boats somewhat in engineering a move, but then again, he was jumping from a burning deck.. He'd be a beast at this level.

I'd rather have Nelsen though (or a player of that capability)

[Gone to seed]

Shouldn't we be promoting from the U23s though...? What was their goals against record like last season?

[tomphil]

Just now, Lie_still_Rover said:

I don't believe Mowbray, is 'scared' of Mulgrew, not for a second. Mulgrew had an extended stint on the bench towards the end of last season..

Anyway, I don't think Mulgrew is a bad player. But he does need a proper defender next to him- same with Lenihan, it's arguable that neither of them are what you'd consider a specialist centre half, which is why when they play together they can look a bit shaky. 

Bring in a big lump- Samba would do the trick and I'm sure he'd be well recieved by the fans. I know he's getting on but I'm sure he could still organise a defence and impose himself.

It's pretty much a given that he's still looking at DL & CM as his first choice pairing so now we really are in the realms of back up so we need someone decent and like you say specialist comfortable with that position oitherwise at times next season we could have almost a whole back line playing out of their natural positions, ridiculous.   I'd settle for some experienced back up now alongside the City kid.

AS for Mulgrew i believe he carries a lot of influence and is Mowbrays main senior man.  His being left out towards the end of last season was possibly the result of another little spat regarding the International stuff etc alongside the defensive issues and Mowbray looking for a solution.  I recklon they resolved it in the end by TM basically saying i need to get some youngsters in and need to jiggle the team around a bit so you're not being dropped just rested.  Long hard season, not getting any younger and you've a summer of Internationals you need to focus on so take a good rest.

I do believe that he won't drop him for any length of time this season without a decent excuse especially not when he's probably one of the highest paid.  He's a quality player but defensively in this league over a season he's been weak both last season and the season we went down, unlikely to be any different this time.

[Mattyblue]

They’ve obviously known about Williams for most of pre season - he’s not featured in a friendly.

So if a couple of centre halves don’t come in then that’s even more of a worry on what’s going through TM’s head as they’ve had ample time to realise we’ve an issue (in an already weak area) and sort.

Edited July 23, 2019 by Mattyblue

[gumboots]

What I really don't understand is why Mowbray, the defender, cant recruit defenders. Could it be true that Venkys simply wont pay for defenders as has been suggested? 

[neophox]

Defender/s will come in but Its all about patience, agents doing us no favours.

[Bigdoggsteel]

Sharpe said there will be signings today....

The keeper and the young lad from City I presume 

[yellowsubmarine]

Just now, WIR Second Coming said:

Samba is an interesting shout - Just 35 (DOB 28-03-1984) and a Rovers legend in his time. Burned his boats somewhat in engineering a move, but then again, he was jumping from a burning deck.. He'd be a beast at this level.

Ex-Rovers means he's Mowbray's type of player.

[gumboots]

Just now, neophox said:

Defender/s will come in but Its all about patience, agents doing us no favours.

I believe they will but it seems odd that Mark Hughes looked first at the defence then added the attackers whereas Mowbray has concentrated on more forward areas and ignored his specialist area

[briansol]

Just now, WIR Second Coming said:

Shouldn't we be promoting from the U23s though...? What was their goals against record like last season?

They had a really rough first part of the season getting used to the new level and shipped a lot of goals. Magloire got injured in the early part of the season as well. After Christimas they were basicly untouchable and won almost everything against Man C, Liverpool, West Ham, Chelsea etc. It's also worth mentioning that Rovers is one of two Championship sides in the top U23 division. Think Derby is the other one. The mighty Man Utd got relegated before this season, and didn't even manage to get promoted again.

However there is a very big difference on the type of football being played there vs Championship. It's possesion based, played to foot and mirrors the top PL sides approach. There is no physical battle in the air, which makes the transition for a centre back like Magloire a lot harder than for the offensive players. He is having an easy time in the U23 because he is stronger and quicker than every striker there, including Rhian Brewster which he had in his pocket. Championship is a different animal in that respect. A lot of big bruisers with strength and know how. 

[neophox]

Just now, gumboots said:

What I really don't understand is why Mowbray, the defender, cant recruit defenders. Could it be true that Venkys simply wont pay for defenders as has been suggested? 

There are plenty of good centre Backs available on a free, Vermalen 33, Kaboul 33, Skrtl 34 and Holmen 27 would all improve our defence.

[DE.]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Sharpe said there will be signings today....

The keeper and the young lad from City I presume 

Assumedly so, although Walton for Raya is essentially a like-for-like except we don't own the player, and the City lad will presumably be a bench option as I don't see him starting ahead of Bennett/Nyambe, Mulgrew or Lenihan. 

Still in desperate need of strengthening the back four and running out of time to do it. Think this might be our lot. Maybe one more player with an eye on retirement to fulfil the "experienced" CB criteria. Wouldn't rule out spending more money on a midfielder/striker we don't need either.

[Vinjay]

10 hours ago, markhayhurst said:

6 months before sale of Jones UTD wanted to buy Jones but rovers refused agreeing to let him go at end of season. His contact was renegotiated and a clause inserted. Despite Liverpool bidding higher he went to Utd who some how new the terms of the release clause. How they knew, why the clause was inserted etc we can only speculate what is certain is venkys were less than impressed and tried to argue that we should receive more more net etc from sale. Again we can only speculate whether this was a factor in their loss of faith in sam/walker etc (exact times/dates etc not sure of long time ago)

Obviously because the disgusting clown Jones and his people leaked it. 

[Vinjay]

12 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

So JW and/or the Trust were funnelling money out?

I'm sure the family tried their best. Must have been a hollow victory for them only managing to have the club starved and sold to someone who didn't know what relegation is. If they had their full way Ewood would be a parking lot or a supermarket right now. 

[Silas]

Just now, neophox said:

Defender/s will come in but Its all about patience, agents doing us no favours.

Agents and favours in same sentence. Bit of an oxymoron.

They really are filth. What purpose do they even serve in football? 

A totally unnecessary commodity. 

Couldn't believe Juve fans chanting Mino Raiola's name last week. Singing his name like some hero for getting De Ligt to their club.

You're cheering someone who's just taken tens of millions from your club for no reason. You should be booing him like a pantomime villain you clowns! 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, DE. said:

Assumedly so, although Walton for Raya is essentially a like-for-like except we don't own the player, and the City lad will presumably be a bench option as I don't see him starting ahead of Bennett/Nyambe, Mulgrew or Lenihan. 

Still in desperate need of strengthening the back four and running out of time to do it. Think this might be our lot. Maybe one more player with an eye on retirement to fulfil the "experienced" CB criteria. Wouldn't rule out spending more money on a midfielder/striker we don't need either.

Ya, the continued links to strikers and forwards is baffling. The article yesterday which linked us to the guy from Hibs was crazy. I clicked on it thinking "surely a defender" and then I saw it was another striker. 

I hope the keeper from Brighton is loan to buy, but going off their fans on twitter he is highly rated and they don't think they will sell. So ya, him on loan to replace Raya is disappointing. Hopefully we sign another keeper on a permanent if this deal isn't loan to buy. Although then why would Brighton let him leave on loan if he wasn't going to play.... 

No, I don't see us spending a fee on a centre half. I really hope I am wrong. As a poster said above we are a Lenihan injury away from our season being over before it starts. Crazy stuff. I hope the city lad is good enough to force his was in to play with Lenihan, as things stand that is our best option. 

Edited July 23, 2019 by Bigdoggsteel

[danger19_80]

Perhaps the logic behind loaning Walton at this stage is that Mowbray still intends to keep pursuing whoever his top keeper target is into the Christmas or next summer's windows? He has form for those kinds of long chases (some successful, some not obviously.)  

[neophox]

This city lad was a regular for West Brom last season, a team that made the playoffs. He will be useful!

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, danger19_80 said:

Perhaps the logic behind loaning Walton at this stage is that Mowbray still intends to keep pursuing whoever his top keeper target is into the Christmas or next summer's windows? He has form for those kinds of long chases (some successful, some not obviously.)  

You could be onto something there 

[DE.]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Ya, the continued links to strikers and forwards is baffling. The article yesterday which linked us to the guy from Hibs was crazy. I clicked on it thinking "surely a defender" and then I saw it was another striker. 

I hope the keeper from Brighton is loan to buy, but going off their fans on twitter he is highly rated and they don't think they will sell. So ya, him on loan to replace Raya is disappointing. Hopefully we sign another keeper on a permanent if this deal isn't loan to buy. Although then why would Brighton let him leave on loan if he wasn't going to play.... 

No, I don't see us spending a fee on a centre half. I really hope I am wrong. As a poster said above we are a Lenihan injury away from our season being over before it starts. Crazy stuff. I hope the city lad is good enough to force his was in to play with Lenihan, as things stand that is our best option. 

I'm not going to panic just yet, I'm really, really hoping that we are just keeping a couple of deals hidden and we will all be pleasantly surprised by the time the window shuts. If it closes and Walton & Tosin are our only defensive reinforcements I will be extremely disappointed though. My fear is that Mowbray sees Lenihan, Mulgrew, Williams, Nyambe and Tosin as five available CB options and that is more than enough. Meanwhile he sees Bell, Williams and Downing as adequete LB/LWB options and Bennett, Nyambe and Travis as adequete RB/RWB choices.

Personally I don't think there is anywhere near enough quality there to realistically push for the top six. 

Just now, neophox said:

This city lad was a regular for West Brom last season, a team that made the playoffs. He will be useful!

Yeah, but are we going to be starting him ahead of the regulars? That doesn't fit into how Mowbray traditionally operates. It could be months before the lad even gets a shot in the first team ahead of the established players, unless Lenihan or Mulgrew get injured.

Edited July 23, 2019 by DE.

[Exiled_Rover]

29 minutes ago, Lie_still_Rover said:

I don't believe Mowbray, is 'scared' of Mulgrew, not for a second. Mulgrew had an extended stint on the bench towards the end of last season..

Anyway, I don't think Mulgrew is a bad player. But he does need a proper defender next to him- same with Lenihan, it's arguable that neither of them are what you'd consider a specialist centre half, which is why when they play together they can look a bit shaky. 

Bring in a big lump- Samba would do the trick and I'm sure he'd be well recieved by the fans. I know he's getting on but I'm sure he could still organise a defence and impose himself.

Mulgrew isn't a Championship CB. He doesn't read the game well enough, nor is he physical enough.

Got away with it in League One, but seriously found out last year. He was shown up by Williams last year, after being benched, and he's not a good defender either.

Should have been shipped out to a Scottish club earlier in the window for mine.

[Butty]

Just now, neophox said:

This city lad was a regular for West Brom last season, a team that made the playoffs. He will be useful!

Don’t speak too West Brom fans about him, from what I’ve seen on Twitter a lot aren’t overly complimentary about him. “Okay as a back up” I’ve seen a few times, so for someone we are expecting too come in to the first team that isn’t promising. 

[G Somerset Rover]

Just now, Butty said:

Don’t speak too West Brom fans about him, from what I’ve seen on Twitter a lot aren’t overly complimentary about him. “Okay as a back up” I’ve seen a few times, so for someone we are expecting too come in to the first team that isn’t promising. 

He also played RB (and even CDM) for them, never CB. Unless we play 3 at the back (God forbid) then I can see him being played RB now and again too. We need an out and out centre half to come in to make the spot his own alongside Lenihan.

[Guest]

Hilarious people are unhappy at signing a CB who was pretty much a mainstay in a team that finished 4th. 

Same people probably unhappy with an experienced player like Bradley Johnson signing for free who played most matches post January in a team one game from the Premier League.

I know it’s a message board but can we at least try to lighten the fuck up.