Summer Transfer Window 2019

[47er]

1 hour ago, JayDee said:

I can see double figures for Brereton this season and a lot of folks on here backtracking claiming they knew he'd come good. 

In your dreams!!! However, if you're right I, for one, will be surprised and delighted.

Doesn't change the fact that we never should have paid £7M for a striker we couldn't use last season when we had so many problems in defence and still do.

And we couldn't fix it because we'd spent most of the budget on him!

Personally, I hope he comes good, we sell him for £20 million and buy some bloody defenders!! As if that will happen eh?

Doesn't matter how well he plays this season, we should not have bought him for £7M last season.

Wrong player, wrong priority, wrong fee. We are not in the luxurious position of buying players for high fees to sit them on the shelf till they come good----hopefully.

City ,United,Liverpool yes but not us. We have to get out of this league. Sheffield United did it without spending anything like that but they had a better manager than we do. 

 

 

Not going to post anymore on this, not going round and round with the usuals. That's my opinion, tear it to pieces if you want to.

Edited July 25, 2019 by 47er

[Sparks Rover]

49 minutes ago, JoeHarvey said:

That was last season. Almost every pre-season game we’ve played a very “out from the back” possession style, with rotating forwards, playing possession through Travis and Rothwell. 

We haven’t been hoofing the ball to Graham really. Graham basically played out wide against Bury, and didn’t hoof the ball that game at all.

Well hopefully when we come across proper quality opposition we don't revert back to Tony's normal percentage hoofball football.    We will see

[Ricky]

2 hours ago, tonygreenbank said:

Bookies are giving us 33/1 on being Champions; 10/1 on being top 6 and 4/1 on promotion. Where’s your fiver going?!

I think you have that wrong. Why would it be 10/1 on top 6 but only 4/1 on promotion?? Guess you have those the wrong way around.

[Hi Mack]

59 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Yep. We’re one decent centre half off having a good shout for the top 6 IMO. Shit or bust on that front for me - it’s that important. 

This is my thinking too....it's frustrating.

Hopefully we'll get someone in before the Charlton game.

[Bbrovers2288]

1 hour ago, Neal said:

I'm certainly not the type to ask questions of folk who relay info but... Does your mate know if we're actively looking at centre halves? (apart from the city lad). That's the thing that will make or break our season. It's so important we invest there. 

Looked at, money to spend if mowbray insists. Getting late in the day for anybody to replace a sale to us. Quite possibly it when city lad comes in. Honestly if fans knew how many were looked at, close, but no cigar, they would be shocked

[G Somerset Rover]

Just now, Bbrovers2288 said:

Looked at, money to spend if mowbray insists. Getting late in the day for anybody to replace a sale to us. Quite possibly it when city lad comes in. Honestly if fans knew how many were looked at, close, but no cigar, they would be shocked

If he doesn’t insist, he needs replacing.

[Gary C]

22 minutes ago, Pedro said:

He will come good. No doubt in my mind ?

Showed the odd flash in games last season literally. But looked more comfortable pre season albeit against weaker opposition but it will do wonders for his confidence

[Neal]

Just now, Bbrovers2288 said:

Looked at, money to spend if mowbray insists. Getting late in the day for anybody to replace a sale to us. Quite possibly it when city lad comes in. Honestly if fans knew how many were looked at, close, but no cigar, they would be shocked

If he has money to spend and doesn't strengthen the defence then he's absolutely lost the plot. I don't know obvious it needs to be that investment is required, he even admitted it!

[briansol]

Just now, Bbrovers2288 said:

Looked at, money to spend if mowbray insists. Getting late in the day for anybody to replace a sale to us. Quite possibly it when city lad comes in. Honestly if fans knew how many were looked at, close, but no cigar, they would be shocked

Not that suprised I think. When you are a mid-table team offering mid-table wages, it's hard to attract better players. Probably have to cast a wide net and find out that some are on 3 times the wages we can afford as Mowbray was quoted on. Finding gems and the few players willing to sacrifice wage to play football like Gallagher is the key. Probably the same as 15 other clubs in the Championship.

When the club has 187%(or something like that) wage to turnover ratio it's hard to see how we can raise the wage level further. 

[Bbrovers2288]

Just now, Neal said:

If he has money to spend and doesn't strengthen the defence then he's absolutely lost the plot. I don't know obvious it needs to be that investment is required, he even admitted it!

Always believed that mowbray is reluctant to spend as it’s a ready made excuse for his sacking. He can down play expectations with leaving money in the budget to venkys and prolong his own career. He is all for the slow build. Expect 12th next season 

[Mercer]

13 minutes ago, Ricky said:

I think you have that wrong. Why would it be 10/1 on top 6 but only 4/1 on promotion?? Guess you have those the wrong way around.

It's quite a range of odds:

Championship winner: 33 to 53/1

Top 2: 16/1 though Betfair will give you either 53/1 or 150/1 dependent upon whether you go through their Sportsbook or Exchange

Top 6: 4 to 6/1

Relegation: 9/2 to 13/2

Only flutter for me would be 13/2 on relegation.

[Paul Mani]

Just now, Bbrovers2288 said:

Always believed that mowbray is reluctant to spend as it’s a ready made excuse for his sacking. He can down play expectations with leaving money in the budget to venkys and prolong his own career. He is all for the slow build. Expect 12th next season 

Yup, that’s exactly what he did in League 1!!...Errr nope he bought Dack and Samuel for over a million pounds in fees thus applying pressure to himself! As many have said, he had the biggest budget and therefore expectation on himself that year.

But then surely he executed your plan last season didn’t he? Yeeee-no!! He spent £7m on a 19yr Old which heaped pressure on him.

 

 

[Bbrovers2288]

Just now, Paul Mani said:

Yup, that’s exactly what he did in League 1!!...Errr nope he bought Dack and Samuel for over a million pounds in fees thus applying pressure to himself! As many have said, he had the biggest budget and therefore expectation on himself that year.

But then surely he executed your plan last season didn’t he? Yeeee-no!! He spent £7m on a 19yr Old which heaped pressure on him.

 

 

He knew that he could buy his way out league one, not so easy in championship and he doubt himself. Believe me he has taken flak from venkys for Ben. Once bitten....

[Neal]

1 minute ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Always believed that mowbray is reluctant to spend as it’s a ready made excuse for his sacking. He can down play expectations with leaving money in the budget to venkys and prolong his own career. He is all for the slow build. Expect 12th next season 

F*cking willing to spend 14 million on attacking players though! Seems to have a touch of the Wenger's, top heavy with no back 4... I don't know how obvious it can be. I'm trying to reserve my judgement until the window closes but with the new season a week away and there's been no improvement to what is quite obviously our biggest weekness... It's hard not to be p*ssed off. 

[G Somerset Rover]

Just now, Neal said:

F*cking willing to spend 14 million on attacking players though! Seems to have a touch of the Wenger's, top heavy with no back 4... I don't know how obvious it can be. I'm trying to reserve my judgement until the window closes but with the new season a week away and there's been no improvement to what is quite obviously our biggest weekness... It's hard not to be p*ssed off. 

Yep, I’m the same. I need to wind my emotions in given there is still time, but everything’s pointing to one defensive loanee coming in - at best. IF this happens and we continue to ship goals at the rate of knots then he rightly needs crucifying. Clocks ticking - let’s hope his Cov experience ensures it doesn’t happen.

[Neil Weaver]

22 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Only flutter for me would be 13/2 on relegation.

Stick a tenner on Merce, there's a good chap.  Then we can all rest easy knowing it won't happen.

[bluebruce]

3 hours ago, Gary C said:

Showed the odd flash in games last season literally. But looked more comfortable pre season albeit against weaker opposition but it will do wonders for his confidence

He literally showed the odd flash? Ben Bare-ton?

Edited July 26, 2019 by bluebruce

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

It's quite a range of odds:

Championship winner: 33 to 53/1

Top 2: 16/1 though Betfair will give you either 53/1 or 150/1 dependent upon whether you go through their Sportsbook or Exchange

Top 6: 4 to 6/1

Relegation: 9/2 to 13/2

Only flutter for me would be 13/2 on relegation.

Even if you're right, you'll more than undo your winnings by betting on us to win 3-0 every week.

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

Did you attend any games last season? Big hoof to Danny, lay it off....

We have changed our style of play from last season

3 hours ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Yep. We’re one decent centre half off having a good shout for the top 6 IMO. Shit or bust on that front for me - it’s that important. 

I would agree with this

3 hours ago, Neal said:

I'm certainly not the type to ask questions of folk who relay info but... Does your mate know if we're actively looking at centre halves? (apart from the city lad). That's the thing that will make or break our season. It's so important we invest there. 

I am heard we are. I'm still hoping we get at least 2 more after the City defender on loan. Still hoping for Cooper from Millwall. The Market hasn't been busy at this stage as I would expect. Alot of teams need 2 or 3 signings at least and we are one of this clubs. IMO, Some clubs need 4 or 5 signings like Reading and Wigan. Currently this week they have only been 15 transfers all week

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

It's quite a range of odds:

Championship winner: 33 to 53/1

Top 2: 16/1 though Betfair will give you either 53/1 or 150/1 dependent upon whether you go through their Sportsbook or Exchange

Top 6: 4 to 6/1

Relegation: 9/2 to 13/2

Only flutter for me would be 13/2 on relegation.

I put a 20 pounds on us getting promotion. got odds of 10/1. 

[Maji]

5 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I disagree. Elite footballers have tremendous stamina. Look at how City, Liverpool, Barcelona etc play. 

At our level it's hit or miss - quite a lot just coast on their skill. 

Fitness is not like skill, it is something that everyone can maximise, physiologically we are all the same (generally). All you need is willpower and a little knowledge.

Your last sentence sums it up. In the 2nd highest professional league in england (top 15 in the world) players cannot be bothered to get fit and it is acceptable to most.

5 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Federer is a different kettle. 

At the top with relatively little competition so was at a similar level for the majority. Then when Djokovic and Nadal started to overtake it looked like his level dropped off.

Then stepped up his level even more because he was learning against players better than him.

Then overtook again. Now age taking its toll! 

Age is taking its toll?

dude, he is 37, just played out a tie breaker in the Wimbledon final, after several matches in quick succession, during a grueling season. He is ranked 3rd on the planet still as well. You don't maintain those levels, years past a football players average retirement age. Physically he must be extremely fit to do that, tennis is a couple of hours of repeated sprints, football is mainly walking and jogging, a bit of running and about 20 sprints. Which would you rather do?

everyone is capable of enhancing their fitness, everyone, but a lack of fitness is acceptable in football, even when it's the only attribute that everyone can easily maximise.

Pros blowing out their ass in their 20 after 70-80 minutes is shameful. Do you see Federer not busting his balls to sprint for every shot in overtime in the final? Yes it's a final which is motivation enough, but his body was still going strong.

If we were fitter than every team in this league, we'd be bankers for top 6. Fitness makes a massive difference at our level.

 

[Paul Mani]

6 hours ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

He knew that he could buy his way out league one, not so easy in championship and he doubt himself. Believe me he has taken flak from venkys for Ben. Once bitten....

Twice sh....errr no because he just stumped up another £5m on Gallagher in the same position!? 

I really appreciate your info and attempts to keep us updated but you’re making no sense. Spending over £1m in transfer fees (never mind wages) in League 1 is not ‘keeping himself safe’ or dampening expectation. It’s the opposite. Likewise spending £7m on a 19yr old in your first season back in the championship and then spending a further £5m on another striker this summer, are not the actions of a reluctant manager.

[Neal]

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/17795892.rovers-boss-mowbray-likelihood-defensive-additions/

 

Seriously, what on earth is he wittering on about here? Let's keep in mind he was a centre half. He's considering Nyambe at centre half even though he thinks he's not a physical or commanding presence, what??? Openly admitting we didn't have men at the back last season and had to rely on youngsters... But is willing to risk another season of mediocrity and trust in untested youngsters again???

 

Of course, we all know he's trying to sell us Nyambe as a centre half to us now to accommodate Bennett at right back, so not only is he playing him out of position... He's now intending to play Nyambe out of position too... And what's going to be our right back cover? A centre half from City. 

 

For f*ck sake man, wake up! I've never known a manager want to make football so much more complicated than it needs to be. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by Neal

[arbitro]

6 minutes ago, Neal said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/17795892.rovers-boss-mowbray-likelihood-defensive-additions/

 

Seriously, what on earth is he wittering on about here? Let's keep in mind he was a centre half. He's considering Nyambe at centre half even though he thinks he's not a physical or commanding presence, what??? Openly admitting we didn't have men at the back last season and had to rely on youngsters... But is willing to risk another season of mediocrity and trust in untested youngsters again???

 

Of course, we all know he's trying to sell us Nyambe as a centre half to us now to accommodate Bennett at right back, so not only is he playing him out of position... He's now intending to play Nyambe out of position too... And what's going to be out right back cover? A centre half from City. 

 

For f*ck sake man, wake up! I've never known a manager want to make football so much more complicated than it needs to be. 

It's all falling into place now in my view. I too watched Nyambe in the ACN and he played really well in the middle of a three (as he did in the second half at Bury). That must have got Mowbray thinking and is behind his u-turn on centre halves in my opinion (an opinion reinforced by the interview you linked).

I'm with the majority and still think we need an old school centre half. It's been apparent throughout Mowbrays tenure and it appeared the penny had dropped in March when he went public.

 

[Paul Mani]

Just now, arbitro said:

It's all falling into place now in my view. I too watched Nyambe in the ACN and he played really well in the middle of a three (as he did in the second half at Bury). That must have got Mowbray thinking and is behind his u-turn on centre halves in my opinion (an opinion reinforced by the interview you linked).

I'm with the majority and still think we need an old school centre half. It's been apparent throughout Mowbrays tenure and it appeared the penny had dropped in March when he went public.

 

Nyambe, Magloire and Grayson have potential to be excellent cb’s. However, the issue in my mind is that Mulgrews back legs have gone and Williams is average at best. Which leaves us with Lenihan. Assuming Ada comes in that gives us a safer pair of hands than the other younger lads but it’s not enough to achieve our goal of challenging the top 6 imo.

[m1st]

Just now, Paul Mani said:

Nyambe, Magloire and Grayson have potential to be excellent cb’s. However, the issue in my mind is that Mulgrews back legs have gone and Williams is average at best. Which leaves us with Lenihan. Assuming Ada comes in that gives us a safer pair of hands than the other younger lads but it’s not enough to achieve our goal of challenging the top 6 imo.

You can't call him 'Ada'!!? ? ? 

I agree with the last part of your final sentence, though. Hope it's etched on every wall of TM's office.