Summer Transfer Window 2019

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, Mattyblue said:

To be fair not on here.

LT below the line and Facebook groups very much so. 

‘We need to be realistic we can’t compete with parachutes’ etc

Don't do Facebook, but ya, Instagram is nearly the total opposite of here it is so positive. I genuinely read a comment under the Whalton signing which said said the following and I paraphrase "This is exactly the type of signing that gets you promotion". It wasn't a fake account or a Wigan fan taking the piss. 

Whoa there buddy, cool your jets ?  Decent enough signing, but a bit of perspective please. 

[Tugay's Right Foot]

Just now, Dr X said:

Go get the kid from partizan, he'll make a good profit.

Do you have TM’s email address or the facsimile?

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, Angry_Pirate said:

I knew if I waited long enough the "Transfer Thread" would become the "Mowbray Out" thread. This morning seems to be the final straw.

I recall the majority of fans on the poll voted to "give him the summer" whereas most of us saw the iceberg. Of course there is still the 30% who think hes King Kenny II.

Unless he shocks "the world" in the next 8 days and brings in a proper CB (he's already dropped the ball with GK situation) and doesn't start the season with the likes of Nyambe, Travis, Rothwell etc... he will be facing an uphill battle to ever win me back.

Hypothetically: if he did win promotion, (no chance IMO) could you imagine his transfer policy next summer... I dread to think, ? honestly. 

If he continues down the path I think he's on, I really think hes gone by Halloween, rightfully so. Venkys have given him too much money to allow him to plod along another season.

 

Now that's a whole new negative slant that takes some going to get to! ? Criticizing his potential/hypothetical transfer dealings after winning promotion to the Premier league. That's a good one. 

[DE.]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Ya, those comments he made where he said "defenders are coming" were unequivocal and it appears, up to now at least, that there has been a cooling on that. He was clearly angry that day and maybe he just softened when the dust settled. Incorrectly in my opinion and at the end of the day, he did indeed make the statement so if we don't do that, he has gone back on his word. 

He also said similar about the defence at that fans meeting towards the end of the season, so I don't think it was just a one off angry comment. At one point I'm sure he did think the defence did need an overhaul. It's possible our decent end to the season changed his mind (we only conceded seven goals in our final seven games, compared to conceding ten in our previous seven) but if so then I fear he has made a grave error of judgement based on a set of matches that were mostly played with teams that had little if anything to play for. If Lenihan gets injured again it currently leaves us with Mulgrew, Williams and Nyambe as CB options... and if Tony isn't scared of that possibility he certainly should be. 

As with any manager I'll ultimately only judge Mowbray on results. Maybe he will find a way to get a tune out of our current defence plus the City kid, assuming he arrives. I find it unlikely but stranger things have happened. We undeniably have a tough start to the season though, and he could find himself under some serious early pressure if we struggle to pick up points in the first month and a bit of the season and are still leaking goals. We've seen last season that we have a tendency to go on very poor runs of form, but our good start last season combined with some truly terrible teams below us meant we were never really close to the relegation zone even when we were losing regularly. It could be very different this season and I have to admit I'm not convinced Mowbray could turn it around if we find ourselves at the bottom end of the table in October. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by DE.

[BlackburnEnd75]

If Nyambe is a centre back now we need a proper right back. Bennett is a bloody good squad player but 1st choice right back he ain't.

Mowbray saying he likes versatile players, a few players like Bennett is great but we need specialist now especially in defence.

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, DE. said:

He also said similar about the defence at that fans meeting towards the end of the season, so I don't think it was just a one off angry comment. At one point I'm sure he did think the defence did need an overhaul. It's possible our decent end to the season changed his mind (we only conceded seven goals in our final seven games, compared to conceding ten in our previous seven) but if so then I fear he has made a grave error of judgement based on a set of matches that were mostly played with teams that had little if anything to play for. If Lenihan gets injured again it currently leaves us with Mulgrew, Williams and Nyambe as CB options... and if Tony isn't scared of that possibility he certainly should be. 

As with any manager I'll ultimately only judge Mowbray on results. Maybe he will find a way to get a tune out of our current defence plus the City kid, assuming he arrives. I find it unlikely but stranger things have happened. We undeniably have a tough start to the season though, and he could find himself under some serious early pressure if we struggle to pick up points in the first month and a bit of the season and are still leaking goals. We've seen last season that we have form for going on very poor runs of form, but our good start last season combined with some truly terrible teams below us meant we were never really close to the relegation zone even when we were losing regularly. It could be very different this season and I have to admit I'm not convinced Mowbray could turn it around if we find ourselves at the bottom end of the table in October. 

If he doesn't somewhat sort the defence by either better coaching, tactics or manpower, I don't think anyone could defend him. Obviously it can never be perfect, but there is huge room for improvement.

The frustrating thing , which has been touched on a  few times, is we have such a wealth of attacking options that it would be criminal ruin it with a porous defence. We are a top centre half away from having as good a team as we have had since being relegated in my opinion. 

[Guest]

Just can't see how we can go from "NEW DEFENDERS ARE COMING" to, well Ryan Nyambe did okay there for Namibia, so we'll probably just "blood in" Joe Grayson and Tyler Magloire and make do with what we've got.

Absolutely insane. Basically just accepting another 10-15th place finish. Which would've been fine if it wasn't for the comments promising new defenders!

[DE.]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

If he doesn't somewhat sort the defence by either better coaching, tactics or manpower, I don't think anyone could defend him. Obviously it can never be perfect, but there is huge room for improvement.

The frustrating thing , which has been touched on a  few times, is we have such a wealth of attacking options that it would be criminal ruin it with a porous defence. We are a top centre half away from having as good a team as we have had since being relegated in my opinion. 

Unfortunately mate we've been here before. Under Bowyer we had Rhodes and Gestede firing in 20+ goals a season, supplied by the likes of Conway, Marshall and King. We even had Hanley and Duffy at CB which most would see as a decent enough Championship pairing. Unfortunately in Bowyer's case his blind spot was CM, where we had the likes of Evans, Lowe, Williamson, etc slowing us down, and RB where it was Lowe, Kane, Henley, and so on. Not to mention GK as if Robbo wasn't available we were playing the likes of Jake Kean and Simon Eastwood.

It seems like we always have a part of the team hugely unbalanced, undoing the good work done by the rest of the team. It's very frustrating. I agree that we really aren't that far away. I still think we need a LB alongside a CB, but it looks like we'll get neither and once again a lack of balance is likely to hinder our efforts in the coming season. 

[Miller11]

I’m a big fan of Nyambe. I’d have him starting all day long... at right back. 

Unless Mowbray has figured out a way to coach him to be 4 inches taller, he won’t be cutting it at centre back alongside Lenihan who is also not good enough in the air. Seems we are putting a lot of faith in our new keeper scaring wingers from putting crosses in... maybe Raya should’ve opted for a Halloween mask instead of that boring black one when he bust his nose to help him on crosses.

[Doaksie]

I just can't understand the logic in advocating the faith in youth in defensive positions so strongly, but if you play in an attacking position it's a 'man's game' and we need experienced players. Joe Rothwell becomes a young, inexperienced lad at 24. It seems to be the opposite way around to me?? Experienced bruisers at the back please Tony, and unleash the youth in attack.

[tomphil]

Just now, DE. said:

Unfortunately mate we've been here before. Under Bowyer we had Rhodes and Gestede firing in 20+ goals a season, supplied by the likes of Conway, Marshall and King. We even had Hanley and Duffy at CB which most would see as a decent enough Championship pairing. Unfortunately in Bowyer's case his blind spot was CM, where we had the likes of Evans, Lowe, Williamson, etc slowing us down, and RB where it was Lowe, Kane, Henley, and so on. Not to mention GK as if Robbo wasn't available we were playing the likes of Jake Kean and Simon Eastwood.

It seems like we always have a part of the team hugely unbalanced, undoing the good work done by the rest of the team. It's very frustrating. I agree that we really aren't that far away. I still think we need a LB alongside a CB, but it looks like we'll get neither and once again a lack of balance is likely to hinder our efforts in the coming season. 

Quite simply it's these kinds of things that separate the good managers from the average run of the mill average joes.

They all have their favs, weaknesses etc and most to a certain degree have to contend with some sort of hidden remit or interference in the background.

In GB's case his one legitimate defence was inexperience and a huge dose of loyalty to the academy prodigy that they thought they could turn into a multi million pound player who's now turning out for one of the worst sides in the area and probably not being paid.

In TMs case i think it's sheer stubbornness because he's so many lads he doesn't want to upset.

Edited July 26, 2019 by tomphil

[Neal]

Just now, Doaksie said:

I just can't understand the logic in advocating the faith in youth in defensive positions so strongly, but if you play in an attacking position it's a 'man's game' and we need experienced players. Joe Rothwell becomes a young, inexperienced lad at 24. It seems to be the opposite way around to me?? Experienced bruisers at the back please Tony, and unleash the youth in attack.

I picked up on that too, Rothwell a "young player who needs to improve" he's in his mid twenties man!

 

Planet Mowbray. 

[Neal]

Just now, tomphil said:

Quite simply it's these kinds of things that separate the good managers from the average run of the mill average joes.

They all have their favs, weaknesses etc and most to a certain degree have to contend with some sort of hidden remit or interference in the back ground.

In GB's his one legitimate defence was inexperience and a huge dose of loyalty to the academy prodigy that they thought they could turn into a multi million pound player who's now turning out for one of the worst sides in the area and probnably not being paid.

In TMs case i think it's sheer stubbornness because he's so many lads he doesn't want to upset.

Bowyer didn't have the dressing room, he was a walkover. Many things I've heard back that up. 

[DE.]

Just now, tomphil said:

In TMs case i think it's sheer stubbornness because he's so many lads he doesn't want to upset.

I think part of it comes from his admission that he essentially lets the dressing room police itself. I'm guessing the likes of Mulgrew and Bennett are a big part of that, hence the lack of directly calling them out in public, whereas younger players like Raya and Travis aren't in that bracket, and so are more open to be criticised. Personally I don't agree with singling out players in public interviews at all, as I think it's completely counterproductive, but it makes sense based on what Mowbray has said previously.

[tomphil]

Just now, Neal said:

Bowyer didn't have the dressing room, he was a walkover. Many things I've heard back that up. 

The amount of time half the players were out on the piss told it's own story plus other tales, it was a holiday camp mentality and i think he went along with it because he knew he was only ever going to be a stand in whatever he did.

I don't believe he had much say over anything but that's another debate, inexperience the major factor though.

[Vinjay]

22 hours ago, DE. said:

I believe that was Oliver Holt. That was one of the worst pieces of "journalism" I've ever seen. 

He's another dolt who called Jack Walker a racist.

Back on Accrington's Dolt. Rovers should encourage Nuttall to play as badly as possible as revenge for the Jack insult. As Jacob Rees Mogg put it "the man of the people act is the height of condescension". Do have to point out that being on Twitter gets his club more attention. More chairmen should be on Twitter. If it's good enough for Presidents and Prime Ministers it's good enough for football club owners and chairmen, etc. Of course at this club Alan Myers did it for a while and he's one of the better administrators, PR, etc hired by the Raos.

[jim mk2]

So it's likely our defence is going to line up much the same as last season. 

Einstein once described crazy behaviour as "doing the same thing in the exact same way while expecting different results."

Mowbray thinks he knows better than Einstein 

 

 

[dingles staying down 4ever]

1 hour ago, Miller11 said:

Any more takers for the Venky’s won’t buy defenders theory?

People did not think that a manager would agree to that

[Vinjay]

Just now, jim mk2 said:

So it's likely our defence is going to line up much the same as last season. 

Einstein once described crazy behaviour as "doing the same thing in the exact same way while expecting different results."

Mowbray thinks he knows better than Einstein 

 

 

...and probably his best quote "there is nothing more infinite than human stupidity". 

How do you think Einstein would handle the current situation then? I see Nuno Santo was saying football in the EPL would change hugely within a couple of years. Would Einstein come up with some new theoretical formation that bamboozles opponents or a genius new strategy? It's all very hypothetical of course but...

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

If Nyambe is a centre back now we need a proper right back. Bennett is a bloody good squad player but 1st choice right back he ain't.

Mowbray saying he likes versatile players, a few players like Bennett is great but we need specialist now especially in defence.

Bennett is fucking shit. Sorry. If there was a nuclear holocaust that wiped out 80% of the UK I’d still be disappointed if he found his way into our squad.

[K-Hod]

We shipped absolutely loads of goals last season, so our defenders obviously aren’t good enough. 

Mowbray acknowledged this by advising us that defenders are coming, but apparently now they might not be?

I know some don’t think we should hang on his every word as they put it, but for goodness’ sake, how can he not see our defence is so appalling and needs additions?

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, K-Hod said:

We shipped absolutely loads of goals last season, so our defenders obviously aren’t good enough. 

Mowbray acknowledged this by advising us that defenders are coming, but apparently now they might not be?

I know some don’t think we should hang on his every word as they put it, but for goodness’ sake, how can he not see our defence is so appalling and needs additions?

Appalling and more importantly/worryingly, injury prone. 

Remember all the 3-2 games under Coyle?could be 5-4s this season. We will be good value for the neutral anyway. 

[OJRovers]

We're 2 CBs down on last season (Downing and Rodwell), surely we HAVE to sign at least 1 new CB.

 

 

[CambridgeRover]

I called it at the time, as did many others, that there was no way we were going to be signing a quality centre half. For all of Mowbray's talk you can guarantee what he says one week will be completely different to the next.

[DE.]

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

Appalling and more importantly/worryingly, injury prone. 

Remember all the 3-2 games under Coyle?could be 5-4s this season. We will be good value for the neutral anyway. 

We had quite a few of them last season as well!

Bristol City 4-1 Rovers

Stoke 2-3 Rovers

Preston 4-1 Rovers

Wigan 3-1 Rovers

Rovers 4-2 Sheff Weds

Leeds 3-2 Rovers

Brentford 5-2 Rovers

Rotherham 3-2 Rovers

Sheff Weds 4-2 Rovers

Not to mention all the 2-2's - Ipswich, Reading, Forest, Birmingham (x2), Swansea...