Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Nelsonthedog]

Bradley(teflon) Dack gets sent off.. it was either his own fault, or a poor refereeing decision..

YET a percentage of fans on here blame TM for it. They say Dack should have been subbed off..

Well tell me this.. if he'd done that, and the game had finished 1-1 against 10 men.. are you telling me you wouldn't criticise TM for taking off our 'best source' of goals?

The guy is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.. it's ridiculous.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, Nelsonthedog said:

The guy is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.. it's ridiculous.

Nonsense.

I personally wouldn't blame him for not bringing Dack off but it's not unreasonable to make the observation or hold the view that he could or maybe should have brought Dack off at 10 v 11 because he was already on a yellow.

For me that's not the main point though. We were terrible whether it was 11 v 11, 10 v 11 or 10 v10.

That is Mowbray's fault.

Edited December 12, 2019 by RevidgeBlue

[Bbrovers2288]

3 hours ago, Nelsonthedog said:

Bradley(teflon) Dack gets sent off.. it was either his own fault, or a poor refereeing decision..

YET a percentage of fans on here blame TM for it. They say Dack should have been subbed off..

Well tell me this.. if he'd done that, and the game had finished 1-1 against 10 men.. are you telling me you wouldn't criticise TM for taking off our 'best source' of goals?

The guy is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.. it's ridiculous.

Finishes 1-1 comes out in interview explaining his thinking. I think fans would appreciate the honesty and transparency 

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

3 hours ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Finishes 1-1 comes out in interview explaining his thinking. I think fans would appreciate the honesty and transparency 

He has to explain why he doesn’t sub off each player..?

[Bbrovers2288]

7 minutes ago, magicalmortensleftpeg said:

He has to explain why he doesn’t sub off each player..?

No it was in response to having a suggestion that taking dack off at 1-1 needing a goal was illogical. If I were a manager I would explain my thinking 

[Nelsonthedog]

He's picked the team you all wanted, they underperform and it's all his fault.. as I say, damned either way.

[tomphil]

Just now, Nelsonthedog said:

He's picked the team you all wanted, they underperform and it's all his fault.. as I say, damned either way.

People are talking about the substitutions not the starting team that has spoken for itself now and should be the go to 11.

Subs are the thing that you can understand being changeable as to what is happening in the game, they also get debated on every team in the lands forum so chill.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

There were pro and cons for keeping Dack on. I’m usually critical of Mowbray but not in this case. 
 

[Nelsonthedog]

5 minutes ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

There were pro and cons for keeping Dack on. I’m usually critical of Mowbray but not in this case. 
 

TM is often accused of negativity.. Keeping Dack on was positive..

[Paul Mani]

8 hours ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

No it was in response to having a suggestion that taking dack off at 1-1 needing a goal was illogical. If I were a manager I would explain my thinking 

He explained that he didn’t think about taking him off because he trusted Dack. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[LDRover]

For what it's worth I wouldn't blame Mowbray on this one. Dack is a grown up and should've known better than to give the ref a opportunity. He's also our best player and if there's one person in our team who could've exploited the extra space it was him so right to keep him on if we wanted the win.

[K-Hod]

There’s a lot of inventing stuff going on here about what people have said or would have said. Can we stop trying to provoke a reaction out of other posters please?

Final warning.

[Mashed Potatoes]

3 minutes ago, LDRover said:

For what it's worth I wouldn't blame Mowbray on this one. Dack is a grown up and should've known better than to give the ref a opportunity. He's also our best player and if there's one person in our team who could've exploited the extra space it was him so right to keep him on if we wanted the win.

Yes - against 10 men he is much the best bet to open up the opposition

[Bigdoggsteel]

Dack is our main man and most likely to make something happen. Can completely understand why he was kept on.

The main point is that it was no way a yellow. It was absolutely ridiculous. 

[Leonard Venkhater]

10 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Dack is our main man and most likely to make something happen. Can completely understand why he was kept on.

The main point is that it was no way a yellow. It was absolutely ridiculous. 

A classic case of an insecure referee, who was desperate for an opportunity to even it up...

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, Leonard Venkhater said:

A classic case of an insecure referee, who was desperate for an opportunity to even it up...

It was as bad a decision as I have seen, no BS. Can we appeal that? I think the break might be good for Dack and have him flying on full cylinders for the 2 home games, but that ref needs to be held accountable for that. Pure even up job, nothing else. 

 

[JHRover]

On 12/12/2019 at 01:05, Nelsonthedog said:

Bradley(teflon) Dack gets sent off.. it was either his own fault, or a poor refereeing decision..

YET a percentage of fans on here blame TM for it. They say Dack should have been subbed off..

Well tell me this.. if he'd done that, and the game had finished 1-1 against 10 men.. are you telling me you wouldn't criticise TM for taking off our 'best source' of goals?

The guy is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.. it's ridiculous.

Can't agree I'm afraid. The manager takes responsibility for the team and players being calm and controlled and dealing with pressure. It comes down to being coached to deal with these eventualities and not letting the occasion get the better of you.

Let's look at our old friends Burnley. When was the last time they had someone sent off? It doesn't happen, because they keep calm, collected and focused. 

We don't. Sheffield United away last season. A team completely unprepared for the pressure of being a man up and then lost control soon afterwards.

Some sides keep calm heads, others dont.

Edited December 13, 2019 by JHRover

[Mashed Potatoes]

13 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Can't agree I'm afraid. The manager takes responsibility for the team and players being calm and controlled and dealing with pressure. It comes down to being coached to deal with these eventualities and not letting the occasion get the better of you.

Let's look at our old friends Burnley. When was the last time they had someone sent off? It doesn't happen, because they keep calm, collected and focused. 

We don't. Sheffield United away last season. A team completely unprepared for the pressure of being a man up and then lost control soon afterwards.

Some sides keep calm heads, others dont.

You can't hold one sending off against a manager. If it was happening a lot then it would be reasonable to say that the manager needs to address it - but the occasional sending off is an occupational hazard 

[islander200]

27 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Can't agree I'm afraid. The manager takes responsibility for the team and players being calm and controlled and dealing with pressure. It comes down to being coached to deal with these eventualities and not letting the occasion get the better of you.

Let's look at our old friends Burnley. When was the last time they had someone sent off? It doesn't happen, because they keep calm, collected and focused. 

We don't. Sheffield United away last season. A team completely unprepared for the pressure of being a man up and then lost control soon afterwards.

Some sides keep calm heads, others dont.

Mowbray is accountable for a mistake by the referee?Dack should not have been sent off for that.If he had taken Dack off at 11 v 10 he would have been criticised  by many.I take it you would have taken Dack off then?

[Burrells Boy]

There were 3 points to be won at that stage, completely the right decision taken by Mowbray. If anyone’s to blame it’s the referee for an awful decision.

[JHRover]

When was the last time Leeds, West Brom, Burnley etc. had players sent off in such circumstances? I admit the referee was a joke but as ever we gave him an opportunity where others wouldn't.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, JHRover said:

When was the last time Leeds, West Brom, Burnley etc. had players sent off in such circumstances? I admit the referee was a joke but as ever we gave him an opportunity where others wouldn't.

No idea but I do know that the two best managers in English football - Guardiola and Klopp - have had players sent off this season. Sendings off happen to everybody.

[tomphil]

Amazing turn around although no doubt the back to basics square pegs in square holes approach laid the foundations. You can manage change when everyone is fit and playing well it's amazing what confidence can do.  Seems it's running through the club again now and we are a handful for anyone when that's the case.

Credit to Mowbray today it could have backfired spectacularly and i think we all know he'll have been itching to change it around big style for ages now.  Its worked though not long ago we'd have been 3-1 down in that type of game by midway in the second half.  He's got a grip of it again and long may it continue.

[Exiled in Toronto]

I think something major happened in the dressing room after Barnsley, Mowbray’s post match comments and demeanour were quite different to usual. Since then we have been transformed.

[tomphil]

Something happened somewhere for sure. For him to go right back to basics and stick at it with the same ream and tactics constantly for the first time in his entire time here win, draw or lose.

 

Edited December 14, 2019 by tomphil