Tony Mowbray Discussion

[frosty]

It really isn't that hard to understand.

Was promotion (however it came - whether it be 1st, 2nd, play offs) the priority? Of course. 

Once promotion was secured with a couple of games to spare, would it have made sense to then try and win the league? Yes. Surely any team would want to be crowned the best in the league.

[Exiled in Toronto]

20 hours ago, unsall said:

Ask the question to any Sunderland fan, think it might be promotion, end of,  and whether it’s first,second or through the play offs they couldn’t care less. 

Don’t think TM got enough credit for getting back first time, plenty of clubs took years to get back.

Sunderland currently not even in the top half of that tinpot league than any clown of a manager with a decent budget can get out of...

[Vinjay]

49 minutes ago, unsall said:

How you do know it wasn’t important, of course he wanted to win it, just didn’t happen, do you know of anybody giving Dalglish stick for coming sixth, no you don’t, just stupid arguments, we wanted promotion, end of, and if we won it, a bonus.

No because it was looked at as the freak situation it was.

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, frosty said:

It really isn't that hard to understand.

Was promotion (however it came - whether it be 1st, 2nd, play offs) the priority? Of course. 

Once promotion was secured with a couple of games to spare, would it have made sense to then try and win the league? Yes. Surely any team would want to be crowned the best in the league.

Nail on the head.

[bazza]

It's always better to see the word "champions" rather than "runners-up" in the club's honours list.

[Boroblue]

42 minutes ago, bazza said:

It's always better to see the word "champions" rather than "runners-up" in the club's honours list.

You can throw this around has much has you want but it in the end this paragraph sums it up.There is always only one winner.

Winners never talk about why they where second. That’s what losers do. Full stop

[tomphil]

Promotion was the aim and it was a massive massive relief given the huge concerns of what might happen if it wasn't achieved. 

However if you are close to winning something and have a 50% chance you should damn well go for it. Some of those players won't get close to any league winners medal in their careers. Doesn't do a managers CV any harm either.

You shouldn't go shit or bust for it and risk blowing 2nd place but if that isn't the issue then go for it !

[Stuart]

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18114480.downing-can-weapon-not-vulnerable-left-back/

Yet another off the mark observation from Tony, and seemingly trying to justify his changing of a winning formula.

Let’s hope we have enough momentum in this team now because it looks like chopping and changing the team is set to resume.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, Stuart said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18114480.downing-can-weapon-not-vulnerable-left-back/

Yet another off the mark observation from Tony, and seemingly trying to justify his changing of a winning formula.

Let’s hope we have enough momentum in this team now because it looks like chopping and changing the team is set to resume.

At the Xmas period every side is likely to be making some changes.

With 5 wins and a draw from 6 games Mowbray does not have to "justify" anything - the standard of his decision making speaks for itself.

[Roverthechimp]

19 minutes ago, Stuart said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18114480.downing-can-weapon-not-vulnerable-left-back/

Yet another off the mark observation from Tony, and seemingly trying to justify his changing of a winning formula.

Let’s hope we have enough momentum in this team now because it looks like chopping and changing the team is set to resume.

What is off the mark about that??

[Stuart]

4 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

At the Xmas period every side is likely to be making some changes.

With 5 wins and a draw from 6 games Mowbray does not have to "justify" anything - the standard of his decision making speaks for itself.

The concern is that he is now trying to make out like Downing is a weakness in the team [at left back] which other team will “target” when the truth is anything but. Now Bell is being talked up as a viable alternative when he has being talked about, almost universally, as a weak link who lost his place to Cunningham, then Bennett (!) and now Downing. This even suggests that we have depth in this position - another timely excuses not to address it in January. It’s going to be deja vu January all over again.

[Stuart]

Just now, Roverthechimp said:

What is off the mark about that??

Wow, two question marks! You must be really serious.

[Roverthechimp]

Just now, Stuart said:

Wow, two question marks! You must be really serious.

???

Wow you really put me in my place - good one ??

[Stuart]

52 minutes ago, Roverthechimp said:

???

Wow you really put me in my place - good one ??

 

[Paul Mani]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B6VrYlSIfBO/?igshid=1wr4q8y576war

This is awesome!! 

[roversfan99]

Suspect that its pretty standard nowadays to be fair.

[chaddyrovers]

I would expect we have one of the best senior and academy training facilities in the championship

Edited December 21, 2019 by chaddyrovers

[Paul Mani]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Suspect that its pretty standard nowadays to be fair.

Hahah in the championship!!? Noooo mate. 

[Amo]

23 hours ago, Stuart said:

The concern is that he is now trying to make out like Downing is a weakness in the team [at left back] which other team will “target” when the truth is anything but. Now Bell is being talked up as a viable alternative when he has being talked about, almost universally, as a weak link who lost his place to Cunningham, then Bennett (!) and now Downing. This even suggests that we have depth in this position - another timely excuses not to address it in January. It’s going to be deja vu January all over again.

Laughable but sadly typical of the kneejerk mentality in football. 1 good game in 20 and Bell’s suddenly the answer now.

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B6VrYlSIfBO/?igshid=1wr4q8y576war

This is awesome!! 

Impressive. Having seen that I now understand Damien Johnson's role and the reason for his promotion.

I will definitely not think of Mowbray as a dinosaur again ?.

[Wegerleswiggle]

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B6VrYlSIfBO/?igshid=1wr4q8y576war

This is awesome!! 

Absolutely stunning. Looks like we are beginning to reap the benefits from it now. 

Love seeing things like that and showing my young boys what they can have if they work hard enough. 

[old darwen blue]

7 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B6VrYlSIfBO/?igshid=1wr4q8y576war

This is awesome!! 

Great video that and a perfect example of the six P's philosophy. 

 

interesting that at 04:48 the top of the athletic performance leader board is Ben Gladwin!

[old darwen blue]

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Suspect that its pretty standard nowadays to be fair.

I bet its not at every club. 

[Paul Mani]

1 hour ago, old darwen blue said:

I bet its not at every club. 

No chance...only the ones who’ve come from the Prem will be even close. Interesting timing in getting it out though. Will certainly attract players. Was sent to me by an ex player into a WhatsApp group with four others who are still in football and some of them couldn’t believe the set up. Th

Who wouldn’t want to work there right? ?

[tomphil]

It's impressive and all seems very organised and professional so got to give credit to Mowbray and whoever is overseeing it.  To me that's still where his greatest strength lies and although you'd expect that of a club like this anyway i doubt it was that way when he walked in.

As long as the main focus and funds remain committed to pushing the first 11 as far as is humanly possible we should do ok.