Tony Mowbray Discussion

[OldEwoodBlue]

Can we do a top 5 things we don't like about Mowbray.

1. His agent.

2. His tactics.

3. His team selections.

4. His substitutions.

5. His CEO.

6. His use of transfer funds.

7... oh sorry...was only supposed to be 5

 

[AllRoverAsia]

At least the Propaganda Unit at Ewood are earning their wages and FFP deductible, I guess.

I watched the vid, it was actually ok and nowhere near as embarrassing as I expected it to be.

If he gets us promoted I expect Ewood to be renamed Mowbray Park.

Edited February 24, 2020 by AllRoverAsia

[Stuart]

20 minutes ago, Amo said:

Cringe inducing.

He will NEVER have as good a gig as this ever again.

[Stuart]

8 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

If he gets us promoted I expect Ewood to be renamed Mowbray Park.

Or one of the changing rooms at Brockhall.

[tomphil]

4 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

He’s 20yrs old ffs!? Remove his price tag and he’s basically John Buckley, Magloire, Butterworth or JRC but living miles from home! I’m not saying he’s been a success so far but writing off a player who isn’t even 21 and has represented his country at U18 and U19 level as well as making 78 appearances in the Championship with an ‘acknowledgement’ that he’s not good enough is lunacy. 

He isn't though at this level and common sense would be to loan him out. 

On the price tag sadly that will define him at Rovers i'm afraid and to say remove it is nonsense. They paid that premium for that young player because they thought he was ready to burst onto the scene as he was. No amount of sugar coating it can get away from that i wish you'd remove yourself from your 'insider everybody knows better' bubble and come to grips with it.

Of course he might carve out a career as he gets a bit more physically developed but we've seen it so many times in football how these things go. Also the U18 and U19s is irrelevant now the lower leagues, non league and football scrapheap have been littered with similar. Many other decent players have been nowhere near it either.

By the way wanting him sending out on loan isn't writing him off it's actually the opposite.

Edited February 24, 2020 by tomphil

[AllRoverAsia]

42 minutes ago, Stuart said:

He will NEVER have as good a gig as this ever again.

And neither will Waggott

[47er]

9 hours ago, Blue blood said:

This threw me as I couldn't remember saying such a thing, then realised it was part of the post I quoted! 

I think there is an argument that both Gally and Bereton could come good as they have time on their side to develop but I wouldn't think it is very likely. Bereton doesn't look like a footballer at all to me and Gally doesn't look to have much of a football brain if he does have the physical attributes. 

At present, since how a player may turn out doesn't really count - Dack could come back crap or Armstrong could go back to his prior form yet these possibilities aren't considered, and rightly so - both are failures in terms of performance level and contribution. Factor in the cost and they're catastrophic errors. Not sure why or how there is so much debate on saying these players haven't been failures as it's pretty clear cut imo. 

 

 

Sorry, my apologies! I've stuffed up here. I would never intentionally inflict Paul's words on you-----or anybody! Very good post too (from you!)

[Blue blood]

28 minutes ago, 47er said:

Sorry, my apologies! I've stuffed up here. I would never intentionally inflict Paul's words on you-----or anybody! Very good post too (from you!)

Not to worry. Thought I was having a very senior moment so quite relieved to not be having one! 

[Leonard Venkhater]

3 hours ago, Amo said:

Cringe inducing.

Not really.

But that Venky's advert, for instance, with the players eating medicated chicken....in their Rovers kit

[Amo]

1 hour ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Not really.

But that Venky's advert, for instance, with the players eating medicated chicken....in their Rovers kit

Why can't both be true?

[Inglorious basturk]

6 hours ago, Amo said:

Why can't both be true?

It’s cringeworthy , but ‘get real dunn’ eating his chicken is downright offensive 

[Paul Mani]

9 hours ago, 47er said:

Sorry, my apologies! I've stuffed up here. I would never intentionally inflict Paul's words on you-----or anybody! Very good post too (from you!)

Truth hurts ?

[AllRoverAsia]

1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

Truth hurts ?

Yeah right:

to quote "He’s 20yrs old ffs!? Remove his price tag and he’s basically John Buckley, Magloire, Butterworth or JRC but living miles from home!"

The truth in that statement is the current age of the player; who turns 21 in just 7 weeks time.

Mind you I got a laugh out of the player comparisons, with Buckley and JRC in particular. That has nothing to do with fees, just about being a footballer.

[tomphil]

6 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Yeah right:

to quote "He’s 20yrs old ffs!? Remove his price tag and he’s basically John Buckley, Magloire, Butterworth or JRC but living miles from home!"

The truth in that statement is the current age of the player; who turns 21 in just 7 weeks time.

Mind you I got a laugh out of the player comparisons, with Buckley and JRC in particular. That has nothing to do with fees, just about being a footballer.

He's also thrown in the living away from home line as well that TM has used for every single signing he's made that hasn't shown much.

Gladwin, Whittingham, Samuel, Gally earlier on and of course Ben.

Then you look at Shearer leaving Geordieland at 15 to go to Southampton or Duff coming over here from Ireland at about 13. Then you factor in most of the lads mentioned have left home young to go to clubs previous to Rovers and draw the conclusion it's just a convenient excuse to chuck in in most cases.

Edited February 25, 2020 by tomphil

[47er]

6 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Then you look at Shearer leaving Geordieland at 15 to go to Southampton or Duff coming over here from Ireland at about 13. Then you factor in most of the lads mentioned have left home young to go to clubs previous to Rovers and draw the conclusion it's just a convenient excuse to chuck in in most cases.

Raya, Hoillet----I'm sure there's a very long list if I can get my brain to work.

[tomphil]

2 minutes ago, 47er said:

Raya, Hoillet----I'm sure there's a very long list if I can get my brain to work.

Anybody might be forgiven for thinking it's actually part and parcel of the game and something they might actually consider before signing.

 

[AllRoverAsia]

On 25/02/2020 at 16:09, tomphil said:

He's also thrown in the living away from home line as well that TM has used for every single signing he's made that hasn't shown much.

Gladwin, Whittingham, Samuel, Gally earlier on and of course Ben.

Then you look at Shearer leaving Geordieland at 15 to go to Southampton or Duff coming over here from Ireland at about 13. Then you factor in most of the lads mentioned have left home young to go to clubs previous to Rovers and draw the conclusion it's just a convenient excuse to chuck in in most cases.

Hilarious, Brereton is from Stoke, maybe the lad needs Google Maps

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

On 24/02/2020 at 15:24, Mattyblue said:

But there’s always the chance he never fulfils the potential he showed at U18 level. Many don’t, the game is littered with examples of ‘whatever happened to...’, 

Let’s hope he isn’t another for all parties concerned... but that’s why £7million was a hell of a punt for a club like us.

If you look back at England Youth teams loads more fall by the wayside than make it to the top. If you get 2 or 3 out of 11 playing in the Prem you are doing really well. 4 or 5 will be playing non league after a few years. Even in the past when they had an U-23 team were you'd think they'd all be playing at the top level already plenty fell by the wayside.

Edited February 27, 2020 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[philipl]

Quite simply, not good enough.

[tomphil]

8 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

If you look back at England Youth teams loads more fall by the wayside than make it to the top. If you get 2 or 3 out of 11 playing in the Prem you are doing really well. 4 or 5 will be playing non league after a few years. Even in the past when they had an U-23 team were you'd think they all be playing at the top level already plenty fell by the wayside.

Well not many of them will command 6/7 million price tags before they are shaving that's for sure.  Be interesting to see how many actually have ?

Another Venky era ground breaker probably.

 

[Amo]

Because we're sitting pretty in midtable, people are happy to keep giving Mowbray the benefit of the doubt. Personally, I think all the talk of a "slow build" is a stalling tactic and wishful thinking. We heard the same thing under Bowyer. "He's stabilised the club, he's signed some good players, we're just off the playoffs!" but tomorrow never came. Sometimes a manager can only take you so far. We've dropped too many points from winning positions or against lowly teams, with or without the likes of Dack. The manager has to carry the can for that. Tactically we cannot keep up performance levels or figure out strategies to break stubborn teams down, and spending £12m on two strikers who have contributed the grand sum of jack shit didn't help either. 

[tomphil]

I can see us starting next season with AN other keeper similar to Walton or a youngster signed late in the window, prob on loan.

Nyambie or Bennett if Ryan is sold, AN other loaned in kid after Lenihen is sold ( one of them will need to be i'm sure), Williams, Bell

Up front the same but with Samuel retained and Graham gone.

I wouldn't class it as a slow build really it's just doing enough to get by as we are.

[Bigdoggsteel]

7 minutes ago, tomphil said:

I can see us starting next season with AN other keeper similar to Walton or a youngster signed late in the window, prob on loan.

Nyambie or Bennett if Ryan is sold, AN other loaned in kid after Lenihen is sold ( one of them will need to be i'm sure), Williams, Bell

Up front the same but with Samuel retained and Graham gone.

I wouldn't class it as a slow build really it's just doing enough to get by as we are.

No,I reckon there would be much more movement in than that. We signed 7 last summer. 

I also don't think one of Lenihan and Nyambe will need to be sold. I have a feeling it will be Armstrong. Lenihan might push for a move though,but I don't think Nyambe would. 

[tomphil]

5 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

No,I reckon there would be much more movement in than that. We signed 7 last summer. 

I also don't think one of Lenihan and Nyambe will need to be sold. I have a feeling it will be Armstrong. Lenihan might push for a move though,but I don't think Nyambe would. 

I'm just thinking given the finances with regard to FFP the focus will be more on the outgoings and getting wages down again. 

Also i don't think any will push for a move but there will be quite a bit of interest and the need to comply will be the driving factor. I think they'll slap too much of a tag on AA to be honest but one of the other two will be tempting enough for a serious bid.

I don't mind be a bit leaner and meaner it suits Mowbrays methods far better imo as long as incomings are focused on quality rather than back ups.

[OldEwoodBlue]

Mowbray is off again.

Moved on from setting his own targets to setting his own none targets.

The CEO he employed nodding like a puppy.

The target was play offs and over 70 points. It hasn't changed.

Tony's job and pension pot are safe but his integrity is evaporating with each desperate interview.