Tony Mowbray Discussion

[arbitro]

This time last year Mowbray was talking about changing to a possession based game and (I honestly don't know) I would hazard a guess and say that the possession numbers are higher but in every game were we have had more of the ball we haven't hurt the opponents. As demonstrated last night we are so easy to play against. I personally think it was a case of Mowbray talking again without thinking. How many of our players are able to play an incisive passing game? Very few in my book. After three years we have no identity in terms of how we play and if Mowbray wants to address this he needs to sign players who can play that way and play the right tactical game. I am really fearful of our chances next season under Mowbray but after a decade of mismanagement throughout the club I shouldn't be.

Another fundamental issue has been the dropping of 28 points from winning positions which just shouldn't happen. I believe the root cause of this has been a lack of real leaders, another area where Mowbray has been negligent.

[Rogerb]

31 minutes ago, frosty said:

Last season we had the dire Ipswich and Bolton teams in the division, nobody's been that bad this season (apart from Hull in the last few months) - that might explain it.

Still managed to lose to Ipswich though

[Bigdoggsteel]

4 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Sorry, I won't let up on the issue of the manager until he's gone or improves beyond all recognition as I think he's taking the owners and supporters for complete mugs as evidenced by his body language and demeanour last night.

There's no hope until he goes imo.

Ya fair enough, but it's pointless in this echo chamber. 

Correct me if I am wrong, but going off what some of you who live locally say, it's not the unanimous consensus? 

I'm not even sure I do want him to go. I would picture it playing out something like this

July 31st- sacked

August 10th- Players who to be fair are loyal to him(as much as that is possible these days) like Armstrong and Dack say they want to leave. Still no new manager or signings

August 20th-  They both leave, with possibly a couple more. Still no manager or signings

August 29th- Damien Johnson is caretaker for season opener. Still no full time manager or signings

Mid September- Results are going badly, Johnson resigns to focus on coaching Norther Ireland. Still no manager or signings

October 1st- We appoint someone ridiculous and sign some free or cheap shit just before the window closes

December 1st- We are firmly in the relegation places 

[Bigdoggsteel]

4 hours ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/blackburn-rovers-mowbray-budget-transfers-18646217

"Apart from that, we're a very proud football club and we will strive to get to the top six next year. We believe we can, and yet you never how strong the relegated Premier League sides are going to be. We have to keep building and looking after ourselves and strive to make the top six as soon as we can."

Not the words of a man who thinks he's under pressure. 

Cos he isn't. How many more "1 more seasons" can he be here for. Surely next year has to be the year we do it under him or there is a parting of ways? 

[Lancs Rover]

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

We can't play against teams who put a foot in and give us the " hurry up ".

Inertia on the pitch.

Inertia off the pitch.

That's where we are.

[rigger]

5 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Ya fair enough, but it's pointless in this echo chamber. 

Correct me if I am wrong, but going off what some of you who live locally say, it's not the unanimous consensus? 

I'm not even sure I do want him to go. I would picture it playing out something like this

July 31st- sacked

August 10th- Players who to be fair are loyal to him(as much as that is possible these days) like Armstrong and Dack say they want to leave. Still no new manager or signings

August 20th-  They both leave, with possibly a couple more. Still no manager or signings

August 29th- Damien Johnson is caretaker for season opener. Still no full time manager or signings

Mid September- Results are going badly, Johnson resigns to focus on coaching Norther Ireland. Still no manager or signings

October 1st- We appoint someone ridiculous and sign some free or cheap shit just before the window closes

December 1st- We are firmly in the relegation places 

Or Mowbray leaves, new man appointed, players respond, we are in promotion contention. This is just as hypothetical as your scenario 

[Atko's Engine]

On 19/07/2020 at 17:34, jim mk2 said:

Hands up who'd kick out Mowbray and bring in Pearson?

9 hands in the picture, 9 likes for the post; that's uncanny!!

[Theaxe15]

26 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Cos he isn't. How many more "1 more seasons" can he be here for. Surely next year has to be the year we do it under him or there is a parting of ways? 

I dont think there has ever really been a "one more season" scenario. League One season we went up,  last season was about consolidation,  this one was about progress.  I would say next season should be his first "one more season" as very little progress has been made this year 

[Exiled in Toronto]

268 pages virtually all missing the point that not once has Venkys changed manager for football reasons. Not once have they shown any concern for fans feelings or gates, and not once have they approached a close season with a plan, let alone lists of potential managers.

I get confused by equally strongly-held opinions that the squad was good enough to get in the playoffs yet it’s a relegation battle for sure in seven weeks time. But that’s what most predicted this time last year.

The only real pluses from this season were replacing 3/4 of the Mulgrew/Graham/Dack goals from the previous year, which most including me would have regarded as fantasy, the development of Travis into a dirty bastard, and the fact we can’t possibly sign a goalie as bad as Walton. Midtable beckons again and those in Pune will continue to give no shits.

[Mattyblue]

So... the point of those contract extensions for Hart and Smallwood was what, exactly?

Edited July 23, 2020 by Mattyblue

[jim mk2]

19 minutes ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

268 pages virtually all missing the point that not once has Venkys changed manager for football reasons. Not once have they shown any concern for fans feelings or gates, and not once have they approached a close season with a plan, let alone lists of potential managers.

I get confused by equally strongly-held opinions that the squad was good enough to get in the playoffs yet it’s a relegation battle for sure in seven weeks time. But that’s what most predicted this time last year.

The only real pluses from this season were replacing 3/4 of the Mulgrew/Graham/Dack goals from the previous year, which most including me would have regarded as fantasy, the development of Travis into a dirty bastard, and the fact we can’t possibly sign a goalie as bad as Walton. Midtable beckons again and those in Pune will continue to give no shits.

..... based on the player upheaval likely in the coming weeks, many out of contract, the best likely targets for other clubs, the apparent managerial indifference as to whether we "make progress" or not, but most of all, the current direction of travel and dire form, as we stand at the moment I can't see anything other than a relegation struggle next season. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

1 hour ago, rigger said:

Or Mowbray leaves, new man appointed, players respond, we are in promotion contention. This is just as hypothetical as your scenario 

Yes, it's just as hypothetical, but it's not as likely. Mowbray is the best and most logical appointment they made in a decade and that was luck. 

[davulsukur]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

So... the point of those contract extensions for Hart and Smallwood was what, exactly?

Jobs for the boys.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

57 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

..... based on the player upheaval likely in the coming weeks, many out of contract, the best likely targets for other clubs, the apparent managerial indifference as to whether we "make progress" or not, but most of all, the current direction of travel and dire form, as we stand at the moment I can't see anything other than a relegation struggle next season. 

I think it's time you re-instated the usual " Relegation Thread " Jim.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

49 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Yes, it's just as hypothetical, but it's not as likely. Mowbray is the best and most logical appointment they made in a decade and that was luck. 

I wouldn't agree there. Lambert and his two assistants whose names I've forgotten ( was Rob Kelly one ? ) was the most logical appointment they've made. Mowbray was a forgotten man when we appointed him.

[MarkBRFC]

53 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Yes, it's just as hypothetical, but it's not as likely. Mowbray is the best and most logical appointment they made in a decade and that was luck. 

There was nothing logical about the Mowbray appointment at all, he had just gone 10 games without a win in the third division not long previously!

As luck had it, he was a good fit for a while.

[chaddyrovers]

8 hours ago, Mercer said:

Last night was very interesting.

From bits I saw, Mowbray, IMO, looked very disinterested.  

Was Venus there - someone mentioned they didn't see him?

The normally statuesque Lowe seemed, IMO, to throw a wobbler at the end.

No Mowbray comments that I can see in the LT.

You can but hope that this is the end for Mowbray, Venus, Lowe and Benson.

 

Mowbray looked very unhappy during the game by certain players performances last night. 

Yes Venus was there. 
There is no comments in the LT cos of a techicnal issue as Rich Sharpe said this morning on twitter. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

37 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I wouldn't agree there. Lambert and his two assistants whose names I've forgotten ( was Rob Kelly one ? ) was the most logical appointment they've made. Mowbray was a forgotten man when we appointed him.

I disagree back ? Maybe at the time it looked logical,  but Lamberts record since show he was a worse appointment than Mowbray.

I'm not saying the Mowbray appointment was logical by normal standards, I'm talking about Venky land. 

My point being, I wouldn't trust them to appoint someone who wouldn't relegate us. 

Would you?? 

Edited July 23, 2020 by Bigdoggsteel

[Bigdoggsteel]

33 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

There was nothing logical about the Mowbray appointment at all, he had just gone 10 games without a win in the third division not long previously!

As luck had it, he was a good fit for a while.

Compared to the others I would argue it was. Are you forgetting that rogues gallery? 

My point is they can't be trusted to make logical appointments , even Mowbray was far from logical, but when you compare him to the others....

[MarkBRFC]

8 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Compared to the others I would argue it was. Are you forgetting that rogues gallery? 

My point is they can't be trusted to make logical appointments , even Mowbray was far from logical, but when you compare him to the others....

I certainly agree that they don't make logical appointments.

At the time when he joined I couldn't really separate Coyle from Mowbray, both seemed like desperate yesterdays men that were only hired because they had managed to get somebody promoted to the premier league in the past decade, they had also both made pig's ears of several of there previous jobs.

Mowbray despite what people think of him now, has probably done better than anyone here expected when we joined, pure luck that he was a decent fit at the time.

Of course now I wouldn't put Mowbray in Coyles bracket at all, but I still think that his time here has probably should come to an end.

 

Edited July 23, 2020 by MarkBRFC

[chaddyrovers]

Tosin Adarabioyo on his time at Rovers and the manager and staff 

 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Some interesting Championship team stats for the season:-

Rovers had the least amount of shots in the league from inside the 6 yard box - 0.7 per game (no surprise at all to anyone who's seen us play - very few crosses go in to the danger area)

Rovers were 19th for total shots per game - 11.5

Rovers were the 6th highest scorers - 66 goals

Rovers were 22nd for number of tackles made per game - 14.2

Rovers were 8th for possession % per game - 51.6%

Rovers were 11th for pass success rate - 75.3%

[LDRover]

I don't know why I go on the Rovers FB pages. Just read a post saying 'our beloved Tony Mowbray'. 

Now I understand there are differing views on his competency in the role but that's giving him almost God-like status - and for what? Stability?

[Tom]

Myers is Mowbrays biggest cheerleader on twitter interestingly 

[RevidgeBlue]

6 hours ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

268 pages virtually all missing the point that not once has Venkys changed manager for football reasons. 

Not true imo.

At the end of Bowyer's tenure it was looking very much like he might take us into League 1. He was sacked and replaced with Lambert who theoretically should have been a massive upgrade on Bowyer.  It turned out he wasn't but he nevertheless just about managed to keep us up.

Then Coyle was definitely taking us down and was replaced by Mowbray who did reasonably when he first came in and nearly kept us up.

So it does seem maybe they do sit up and take notice if it looks like we're in danger of relegation. Since promotion though Mowbray always seems to have had the knack of pulling out a couple of unexpected results just in time after we've been on a long losing run so we've never actually been in the danger zone for a sustained period. There's only so long you can keep getting away with it like that I'd have thought.