Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Ewood Ace]

6 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Tony Mowbray has already proven he is capable of getting a club into the PL.

In that case we'd just as well kept Coyle as he had proven he is capable of doing so more recently than Mowbray.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, Ewood Ace said:

In that case we'd just as well kept Coyle as he had proven he is capable of doing so more recently than Mowbray.

Who do you suggest who would realistically want the job of working for the Raos ?

[islander200]

9 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Tony Mowbray has already proven he is capable of getting a club into the PL.

12 years ago.

He spent 12 million on Gallagher and Brereton and he can't get anything out of them.

It seems like the tap been turned off again so we are stuck with the two of them,thus far Mowbray can't get anything out of them maybe another coach would.

It takes too long for the penny to drop with Mowbray from being too loyal to the like of Smallwood and Bennet etc to continually playing players out of position which doesn't work.

It's time for a change

[Ewood Ace]

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

Who do you suggest who would realistically want the job of working for the Raos ?

It's utterly pointless me suggesting anyone to you because whoever I say you will dismiss them out of hand, as in your mind no one but Mowbray could possibly do the job.

[islander200]

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

Who do you suggest who would realistically want the job of working for the Raos ?

Money talks ,if they offer enough money then plenty of managers would be willing to come and work here.

Didn't Warnock agree to come here?Instead we ended up with Coyle and relegation while Warnock got Cardiff promoted.

[toogs]

45 minutes ago, martonrover said:

We are snookered

Nah - you can get out of a snooker.

[JacknOry]

59 minutes ago, phili said:

He is staying at Middlesbrough on £0 wage and £2m promotion bonus.

Is that for real?

[phili]

Just now, JacknOry said:

Is that for real?

Apparently so, he saved them for free and the fun of it as he was missing the game.

[JacknOry]

Just now, phili said:

Apparently so, he saved them for free and the fun of it as he was missing the game.

Would be the best bonus they ever paid out if he manages it. Also shows the confidence of the man.

[Gav]

43 minutes ago, martonrover said:

 They will stick with Mowbray through ignorance and because they have not appointed a suitably enlightened chief executive who could make an informed appointment.

It's abundantly obvious that Mowbray has reached the end of his shelf life at Rovers, and that our direction of travel under him will very soon be backwards.

That's what happens in this game when you attempt to tread water.

Suitable candidates to take us forward are out there, some of them obvious, (e.g. Hughton), some less obvious, (which is why you need a real chief exec, rather than a hired goon for window dressing), to pick the right one.

We are snookered.

 

This season has seen the emergence of Armstrong, his finishing and all round game has significantly improved under Mowbray, the same can be said about Nyambe. We have Gallagher who will be decent at this level, Dack to come back and Lenihan has all the attributes to play at a higher level, a decent nucleus of a team.

The assumption that we're going backwards, when in fact we've finished higher in the league than last season with more points and players are improving, simply isn't correct.

Of course I'm not saying everything is perfect, we need to improve several positions starting with a keeper, but the side continues to gain experience at this level, which is extremely important and a few additions gives us a better chance than rolling that dice in my opinion marton.

 

 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, m1st said:

I've never been 'in the know'; so I've no names to put forward.

But I'd give my eye teeth for a Premier League player coming towards the end of his playing career - a sort of latter-day Howard Kendall - to re-shape the squad and, ideally, have the same sort of effect that he did in the early 1980s. Imagine, for example, finding a good keeper from the National League [North]!

Lots of top players don't have to do that these days. They've made enough money to just retire. When was the last successful player manager ?

[Mashed Potatoes]

49 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Money talks ,if they offer enough money then plenty of managers would be willing to come and work here.

Didn't Warnock agree to come here?Instead we ended up with Coyle and relegation while Warnock got Cardiff promoted.

Unfortunately "If" is a very big word indeed.

[martonrover]

59 minutes ago, Gav said:

This season has seen the emergence of Armstrong, his finishing and all round game has significantly improved under Mowbray, the same can be said about Nyambe. We have Gallagher who will be decent at this level, Dack to come back and Lenihan has all the attributes to play at a higher level, a decent nucleus of a team.

The assumption that we're going backwards, when in fact we've finished higher in the league than last season with more points and players are improving, simply isn't correct.

Of course I'm not saying everything is perfect, we need to improve several positions starting with a keeper, but the side continues to gain experience at this level, which is extremely important and a few additions gives us a better chance than rolling that dice in my opinion marton.

 

 

 

The problem is that the hole at the bottom of the bucket keeps getting bigger, ie we can't defend and are showing no signs of improvement in that crucial area.

We currently have no goalkeepers and only one decent centre half on our books.

Okay, we got slightly more points that last season and finished marginally higher up the table, but not enough to claim tangible progress. That constitutes treading water, in my book.

By default, I reluctantly agree with your last sentence, but only due to the point I made about the ignorance of the owners and the chief executive they have installed.

[A Northern Horde...]

We have improved our league position Gav that is true,for me his one and only saving grace.

We should be aiming to brake into the top six next season..if it doesn't look like coming to fruition then we should thank him for his efforts and part ways at the earliest possible opportunity.As early as possible.

Mowbray does not inspire me personally never mind the players,I find his talk and body language dour and apathetic at times.Talks up Clubs like ferkin Brentford like they are Barcelona!!

 

Edited July 28, 2020 by A Northern Horde...

[JacknOry]

2 hours ago, Gav said:

This season has seen the emergence of Armstrong, his finishing and all round game has significantly improved under Mowbray, the same can be said about Nyambe. We have Gallagher who will be decent at this level, Dack to come back and Lenihan has all the attributes to play at a higher level, a decent nucleus of a team.

The assumption that we're going backwards, when in fact we've finished higher in the league than last season with more points and players are improving, simply isn't correct.

Of course I'm not saying everything is perfect, we need to improve several positions starting with a keeper, but the side continues to gain experience at this level, which is extremely important and a few additions gives us a better chance than rolling that dice in my opinion marton.

 

 

 

He was and has always been considered an excellent finisher - in fact he was classed as the best finisher at Newcastle many years ago. Not sure they have really improved that as it seems something he is just natural at. I would agree that his all-round game has come on a bit but the lad is a CF and not really one of these fancy wide-forwards. He has got better at that admittedly but so he should as that is the position he played for Bolton and Birmingham(?) previously when on loan - so had plenty of practice by now.

As for the rest of the post, yes we finished 3 points better off but fell short of our own managers target. We now have to undergo a huge overhaul in the transfer window yet again because we bought in a couple of misfiring strikers. Not only do we now have to hope that 'defenders are coming' yet again, but also that we might actually get a goalkeeper. On top of that, our best all-round striker has left meaning we now have to hope and prey that these misfiring strikers learn hoe to play football in the next few weeks. 

 

[DeeCee]

21 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

He was and has always been considered an excellent finisher - in fact he was classed as the best finisher at Newcastle many years ago. Not sure they have really improved that as it seems something he is just natural at. I would agree that his all-round game has come on a bit but the lad is a CF and not really one of these fancy wide-forwards. He has got better at that admittedly but so he should as that is the position he played for Bolton and Birmingham(?) previously when on loan - so had plenty of practice by now.

As for the rest of the post, yes we finished 3 points better off but fell short of our own managers target. We now have to undergo a huge overhaul in the transfer window yet again because we bought in a couple of misfiring strikers. Not only do we now have to hope that 'defenders are coming' yet again, but also that we might actually get a goalkeeper. On top of that, our best all-round striker has left meaning we now have to hope and prey that these misfiring strikers learn hoe to play football in the next few weeks. 

 

Expect the worst, hope for the best

[Exiled in Toronto]

3 hours ago, Gav said:

This season has seen the emergence of Armstrong, his finishing and all round game has significantly improved under Mowbray, the same can be said about Nyambe. We have Gallagher who will be decent at this level, Dack to come back and Lenihan has all the attributes to play at a higher level, a decent nucleus of a team.

The assumption that we're going backwards, when in fact we've finished higher in the league than last season with more points and players are improving, simply isn't correct.

Of course I'm not saying everything is perfect, we need to improve several positions starting with a keeper, but the side continues to gain experience at this level, which is extremely important and a few additions gives us a better chance than rolling that dice in my opinion marton.

 

 

 

The highest finish for five years wouldn’t normally prompt calls for a manager’s head along with predictions of imminent doom. 
 

He isn’t getting fired - there’s no money to pay him and his team off anyway - and he’s showing no signs of walking away, and why would he? 
 

I expect this thread to reach at least 500 pages before we have a different manager.

[Stuart]

3 hours ago, JacknOry said:

Would be the best bonus they ever paid out if he manages it. Also shows the confidence of the man.

Yet somehow he was outbid by Coyle during the Rovers reverse auction interview process!

[JacknOry]

2 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Yet somehow he was outbid by Coyle during the Rovers reverse auction interview process!

Good point - it was often muted that Coyle was the cheapest option. 

[Richard Oakley]

6 minutes ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

The highest finish for five years wouldn’t normally prompt calls for a manager’s head along with predictions of imminent doom. 
 

He isn’t getting fired - there’s no money to pay him and his team off anyway - and he’s showing no signs of walking away, and why would he? 
 

I expect this thread to reach at least 500 pages before we have a different manager.

Glad to see you understand the real reason we aren't changing managers. Mowbray set the target at 70 points and playoffs as the absolute minimum. We didn't get there. That's why there are calls for the manager's head.

[Exiled in Toronto]

10 minutes ago, Richard Oakley said:

Glad to see you understand the real reason we aren't changing managers. Mowbray set the target at 70 points and playoffs as the absolute minimum. We didn't get there. That's why there are calls for the manager's head.

I missed the bit where he said that was the absolute minimum, as opposed to the target, and that it would be a resigning matter if we fell short.

I think people have conflated different things he said - and he certainly says a lot of nonsense - such as 70 points being the target and him being willing to walk away if he felt he couldn’t take us any further. I’m pretty sure he didn’t say those in the same sentence and there’s a huge difference between him feeling he’s taken us as far as he can and a few dozen posters on here feeling it.

[simongarnerisgod]

lots of us want mowbray gone because the football is mind numbing,the team is mentally weak,everybody is out of position and he`s blown 12 million quid on two strikers,one of whom would look out of place on a sunday morning and the other who spends games out wide looking lost,this team makes big sams look cavalier,at least his side could defend though

[Richard Oakley]

15 minutes ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

I missed the bit where he said that was the absolute minimum, as opposed to the target, and that it would be a resigning matter if we fell short.

I think people have conflated different things he said - and he certainly says a lot of nonsense - such as 70 points being the target and him being willing to walk away if he felt he couldn’t take us any further. I’m pretty sure he didn’t say those in the same sentence and there’s a huge difference between him feeling he’s taken us as far as he can and a few dozen posters on here feeling it.

Mowbray didn't say it would be a resigning matter if he didn't. Mowbray said he lived his life by "honesty, integrity, humility and respect" in a BBC Sport interview on taking over as Celtic manager June 17th 2009. I would expect someone who claims to live like that to resign after failing to hit his targets. Missed targets usually gets people fired in the 'real world'.

I think the feeling that Mowbray can't take us any further extends way beyond a few dozen posters on here. Mowbray, however, thinks he can get us into the premier league. @simongarnerisgod ,above, posts reasons why his confidence maybe misplaced.

[Exiled in Toronto]

19 minutes ago, Richard Oakley said:

Mowbray didn't say it would be a resigning matter if he didn't. Mowbray said he lived his life by "honesty, integrity, humility and respect" in a BBC Sport interview on taking over as Celtic manager June 17th 2009. I would expect someone who claims to live like that to resign after failing to hit his targets. Missed targets usually gets people fired in the 'real world'.

I think the feeling that Mowbray can't take us any further extends way beyond a few dozen posters on here. Mowbray, however, thinks he can get us into the premier league. @simongarnerisgod ,above, posts reasons why his confidence maybe misplaced.

Given how much he babbles on pretty much every day, picking one thing he said 11 years ago and applying your own values against it hardly counts as evidence of anything in my view. But I suspect we can both agree that being owned by Venkys is a very long way from a normal definition of the real world.

[Mashed Potatoes]

2 hours ago, Stuart said:

Yet somehow he was outbid by Coyle during the Rovers reverse auction interview process!

If Mowbray goes the same people at Rovers will make the ultimate decision as to his successor as went for Coyle.