Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Colt Seavers]

8 hours ago, joey_big_nose said:

I know hope springs eternal but having watched the Bournemouth game I have to say I like the new system which is quite a radical departure from where we were for most of last season, we've actually got quite a lot of good attacking players, so am interested to see if Tony and the team have turned a corner. 

Desperately needs some quality defenders though or it's all for naught.

I agree with this. However,  I  cant see exactly how Dack would fit into this system. 

[tomphil]

The Bournemouths lively bowling green pristine surface seemed to suit Rovers on Saturday i can see them hammering a few sides on that. Iv'e always felt the higher tempo game suits our side far better than sit back sideways possession.

We'd probably have lost with that approach anyway so it would be nice this season to just go for it in the majority of games. If the attitude is as it seems to be 'you win some you lose some' then why not make it exciting at least.

Midtable either way so why not.

[joey_big_nose]

Just now, Colt Seavers said:

I agree with this. However,  I  cant see exactly how Dack would fit into this system. 

Yes I was thinking that last night. Basically he would have to play as a false 9 I think.

On the balance I do think we are better pursuing a system which work for half a dozen of our attacking players rather than just one.

That said maybe we could have a fluid system that switches to 4231 when needed with the same personel?

433

                           Kaminski

Nyambe.    Lenihan.   Williams.   Bell

              Travis.   Holtby.   Johnson. 

              JRC.       Dack.     Armstrong. 

4231

                           Kaminski

Nyambe.    Lenihan.   Williams.   Bell

                   Travis.     Johnson. 

         JRC.            Dack.           Holtby

                         Armstrong 

[philipl]

Dack would displace Holtby in the Bournemouth 4-3-3 set-up.

[joey_big_nose]

4 minutes ago, philipl said:

Dack would displace Holtby in the Bournemouth 4-3-3 set-up.

Don't think Tony, or any manger, would want Dack that far away from goal.

[Atko's Engine]

If Dack truly is a PL player in waiting, then he ought to be able to adapt his game enough to be capable of having an impact in a 433 provided he's given the right role in it.  I agree with the principle that as a club, we should be playing a system that suits the majority of the squad, especially if the club has designs to cash in Dack's chips in the next 12 months.

[oldjamfan1]

12 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I think Jimmy scored when Spurs won the Euro Cup winners cup. I remember Spurs parading the cup around the pitch at Ewood before Rovers battered them 3-0 ! If I had had to chose between Jimmy or Tommy to play for Rovers on Saturday Jimmy would win hands down. The best goal poacher I ever saw. Having said that he rarely played well at Ewood for some reason.

Rare for me to disagree with you TS but of these two I think Rovers are more in need of a Tommy Smith than a Jimmy Greaves at the moment. Scoring goals isn't our problem.

[philipl]

Just now, oldjamfan1 said:

Rare for me to disagree with you TS but of these two I think Rovers are more in need of a Tommy Smith than a Jimmy Greaves at the moment. Scoring goals isn't our problem.

With Greaves, we'd win 5-3 every week.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

11 hours ago, joey_big_nose said:

I know hope springs eternal but having watched the Bournemouth game I have to say I like the new system which is quite a radical departure from where we were for most of last season, we've actually got quite a lot of good attacking players, so am interested to see if Tony and the team have turned a corner. 

Desperately needs some quality defenders though or it's all for naught.

Joey, for all our attacking prowess we had two shots on goal on Saturday. One I could have kept out.

[Mercer]

Mowbray in LT on Newcastle:

“We’ll go to Newcastle and do what we did against Bournemouth, ask questions of them, play on the front foot and see whether they can live with the intensity we’re trying to find.”

I really do think our manager is delusional and has lost the plot.

 

[rigger]

Just now, Mercer said:

Mowbray in LT on Newcastle:

“We’ll go to Newcastle and do what we did against Bournemouth, ask questions of them, play on the front foot and see whether they can live with the intensity we’re trying to find.”

I really do think our manager is delusional and has lost the plot.

 

All of the above, then lose.

[joey_big_nose]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

Mowbray in LT on Newcastle:

“We’ll go to Newcastle and do what we did against Bournemouth, ask questions of them, play on the front foot and see whether they can live with the intensity we’re trying to find.”

I really do think our manager is delusional and has lost the plot.

 

I think to be honest you are dammed if you do or dammed if you don't at the moment. He's trying something new, it looked pretty good against Bournemouth, let's see how it goes next few games.

Prefer that to just hiding away with a defensive game.

[MarkBRFC]

Performance was ok, I think a side like Bournemouth will always allow you to play a bit of football though so we probably looked a bit better than we probably are.

Still, we only had two shots on target in the whole game, and we still conceded 3.

So nothing new really one game in.

Still though, I'm more intrigued to see how we go next week against Wycombe who will probably sit in, and look to pick us off with set pieces a bit like Luton did at Ewood last season.

Edited September 14, 2020 by MarkBRFC

[CD_93]

44 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

I think to be honest you are dammed if you do or dammed if you don't at the moment. He's trying something new, it looked pretty good against Bournemouth, let's see how it goes next few games.

Prefer that to just hiding away with a defensive game.

This.

[joey_big_nose]

37 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Performance was ok, I think a side like Bournemouth will always allow you to play a bit of football though so we probably looked a bit better than we probably are.

Still, we only had two shots on target in the whole game, and we still conceded 3.

So nothing new really one game in.

Still though, I'm more intrigued to see how we go next week against Wycombe who will probably sit in, and look to pick us off with set pieces a bit like Luton did at Ewood last season.

I agree I think that's where having a flexible approach could help. If a team sits in going 4231 or 4411 could help using whoever is at  the 10 role to unlock.

But then I suppose if they sit back we can still press them hard in 433 and get them to make mistakes and turn over the ball.

I know they're a trillion times better than us, but Liverpool hardly struggled to break teams down in a 433, they were just relentless.

I guess we will just see how it works. Probably other teams will work out best thing against us, no matter the vaguries of the formation, is to just hoof it as we are so weak under a high ball or running back towards our goal.

[Mashed Potatoes]

2 hours ago, Mercer said:

Mowbray in LT on Newcastle:

“We’ll go to Newcastle and do what we did against Bournemouth, ask questions of them, play on the front foot and see whether they can live with the intensity we’re trying to find.”

I really do think our manager is delusional and has lost the plot.

 

If he comes out and does not make a bullish statement before a game he has been criticised; now if he comes out and does make a bullish statement he is getting criticised for that ! Things are just getting silly.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Mashed Potatoes

[jim mk2]

2 hours ago, Mercer said:

Mowbray in LT on Newcastle:

“We’ll go to Newcastle and do what we did against Bournemouth, ask questions of them, play on the front foot and see whether they can live with the intensity we’re trying to find.”

I really do think our manager is delusional and has lost the plot.

 

 Steve Bruce team talk: "We should get a hatful against their crap defence but watch out for their intensity"

[Dan]

He’s probably saying this so he has an excuse to go back to long balls to Gallagher in the wing when we get beaten again ?

[Dan]

10 hours ago, Mercer said:

Mowbray in LT on Newcastle:

“We’ll go to Newcastle and do what we did against Bournemouth, ask questions of them, play on the front foot and see whether they can live with the intensity we’re trying to find.”

I really do think our manager is delusional and has lost the plot.

 

I seem to remember Souness losing the plot a bit before leaving... One can only hope. 

[simongarnerisgod]

1 hour ago, Dan said:

I seem to remember Souness losing the plot a bit before leaving... One can only hope. 

souness lost the plot by falling out with everyone and offering them all out,hard to imagine mowbray going beserk and pinning bennett to the dressing room wall☺️

[Dan]

5 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

souness lost the plot by falling out with everyone and offering them all out,hard to imagine mowbray going beserk and pinning bennett to the dressing room wall☺️

True! But he could start playing him up front like Dino Baggio

[simongarnerisgod]

6 minutes ago, Dan said:

True! But he could start playing him up front like Dino Baggio

lol nice one

[Gav]

A few of us have been arguing for a while that Mowbray needed 10 games of the new season to galvanise the current squad and see if can squeeze a bit more out, the majority on here wanted him sacked.

It’s very early days, I don’t think we have the squad to go up, we’re 2/3 players short, but that’s not Mowbray fault, he can only wee with the willy he’s got.

Great start to the season Tony, long may it continue 

Edited September 26, 2020 by Gav

[tomphil]

Tonight he needs a ten year after extension. In a few weeks he'll probably need sacking again.

That's the way it rolls ?

[Sparks Rover]

He's still blagging it with the defence. In my opinion we will come unstuck if we don't strengthen it.