Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Mattyblue]

Viking origin, I believe, a lot of Lanky dialect comes from then.

[Gav]

16 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Don’t know skriking? Yon mon’s been out of Lancs too long, obviously!

 

1 hour ago, LDRover said:

You surprise me Gav. My mum and dad always told me to 'stop skriking' as a kid.

Dyslexia had clearly kicked in, crying = Skriking (I read it Skirking) 

My apologies.

Not wanting to take the thread off track but what the hell is a dooins?

Where is it? Over there near’t dooins 

Edited October 1, 2020 by Gav

[philipl]

Mowbray has got his 4-3-3 and most of the personnel in depth to play it.

I really hope he gets the quality of left back needed.

As previously posted, I am suspending my hostility and am waiting and seeing this season.

Four games in and nobody can attribute lost points to cock-ups by the Manager. Long may it continue.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

3 hours ago, philipl said:

Mowbray has got his 4-3-3 and most of the personnel in depth to play it.

Where does Dack fit in?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

8 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Where does Dack fit in?

In Brererton's place. He's bound to contribute more. He might even have the odd shot at scoring a goal.

Edited October 4, 2020 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

In Brererton's place. He's bound to contribute more.

If we're being serious he really doesn't fit in there...but I agree with your wider point re BB. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

If we're being serious he really doesn't fit in there...but I agree with your wider point re BB. 

I don't really see why not. He can do everything that Brererton does and more.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

4 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I don't really see why not. He can do everything that Brererton does and more.

He's not a left-midfielder/winger. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

He's not a left-midfielder/winger. 

He's a much of a one as Brererton is, with added goals.

[G Somerset Rover]

I’ve seen nothing this season to suggest it won’t be unlike any other under Mowbray - other than a bit more creativity away from home. I’ve posted this in the match thread but it’ll be yet another, win 3-4 on the bounce, don’t win for 5-7 games on the bounce season. Defensively still frail has heck, especially on the road. The Mowbray brigade will be on here shortly extending their ‘judge him 10 games into the season’ benchmarks. What will it be next, Feb? March? When we definitively can’t make the top 6? The V’s for once, you would hope given another season of backing, will have said it’s top 6 or bust this season. My money would firmly be on bust with regards to the play-offs. Whether that will get Mowbray the pot, well I sincerely doubt it.

Edited October 21, 2020 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[Adam C]

53 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

I’ve seen nothing this season to suggest it won’t be unlike any other under Mowbray - other than a bit more creativity away from home. I’ve posted this in the match thread but it’ll be yet another, win 3-4 on the bounce, don’t win for 5-7 games on the bounce season. Defensively still frail has heck, especially on the road. The Mowbray brigade will be on here shortly extending their ‘judge him 10 games into the season’ benchmarks. What will it be next, Feb? March? When we definitively can’t make the top 6? The V’s for once, you would hope given another season of backing, will have said it’s top 6 or bust this season. My money would firmly be on bust with regards to the play-offs. Whether that will get Mowbray the pot, well I sincerely doubt it.

It’s funny how opinions can differ so much. I thought we were great in the wins against Wycombe and Derby, very poor against forest but back to a good performance tonight, frustrating as the result was. It’s never nice to lose but we played some positive, pressing football tonight, and were only undone by individual errors. To me that shows that we are moving in the right direction, and with our new LB to come in and Dack to come back I think we’ll continue to get stronger. 

I’m still backing us for the top 6 this season. I think this is our best chance since we were relegated into this league, as even though our squad isn’t quite as strong (no players at the level of Rhodes, Robinson or Gestede), we have a good coach and what looks like a very good team at this level if they can click. If we don’t get there I’d expect TM to come under pressure and tbh I think I’d be ready for a change if we don’t end the season round about the top 6. 

Talk of sacking TM now (I know you’re not calling for that) is foolish. 

[booth]

Going off the first 6 games, same as last season I reckon. Lots of shit games, with a few decent games. The more vocal fans saying we're going to get into the plays offs but ending mid table. Then everyone saying oh well we'll do it next season we've got some really good players.

Till the end of time.

[JHRover]

Only 6 games in but on PPG heading for at best mid-table. Looking at our upcoming fixtures I'll be surprised if we've more than 14 points after 12 games which is borderline relegation form over a full season. May be helped by the Wednesday deduction and Wycombe standards.

42 minutes ago, The Hypnotic said:

It’s funny how opinions can differ so much. I thought we were great in the wins against Wycombe and Derby, very poor against forest but back to a good performance tonight, frustrating as the result was. It’s never nice to lose but we played some positive, pressing football tonight, and were only undone by individual errors. To me that shows that we are moving in the right direction, and with our new LB to come in and Dack to come back I think we’ll continue to get stronger. 

I’m still backing us for the top 6 this season. I think this is our best chance since we were relegated into this league, as even though our squad isn’t quite as strong (no players at the level of Rhodes, Robinson or Gestede), we have a good coach and what looks like a very good team at this level if they can click. If we don’t get there I’d expect TM to come under pressure and tbh I think I’d be ready for a change if we don’t end the season round about the top 6. 

Talk of sacking TM now (I know you’re not calling for that) is foolish. 

I agree this season is and probably will be our best chance at promotion in a long time. We're already looking like a massive turnover again next summer.

I disagree individual errors were solely to blame tonight. This comes back to the manager and coaching staff not setting us up correctly as a defensive unit. It's happened too often to be blamed on errors. He can't or won't change though so that's up to him.

[AllRoverAsia]

On 04/10/2020 at 17:03, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

In Brererton's place. He's bound to contribute more. He might even have the odd shot at scoring a goal.

With Dack you write his name first on a piece of paper then construct a team around him.

Simple.

[Ben Frost]

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

Only 6 games in but on PPG heading for at best mid-table. Looking at our upcoming fixtures I'll be surprised if we've more than 14 points after 12 games which is borderline relegation form over a full season. May be helped by the Wednesday deduction and Wycombe standards.

Yawn.

But congratulations on bringing "relegation form" into the discussion, with 40 out of 46 games still to be played.

[Mattyblue]

Bit like thinking we are playing ‘top’ and are in line for automatic promotion.

Bit of realism needed on both sides.

There’s promise there, but can we win the requisite amount of games? I foresee a few matches in which we are picked off like last night, more home frustration as sides sit in, but a fair few good wins against some of the average sides.

Will it be enough?

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18812650.risk-reward---mowbrays-verdict-rovers-watford-defeat/

'Risk & Reward', a shrug of the shoulders and on we go. 

Looks like another season of conceding lots of goals on the road is already baked in to the Mowbray masterplan.

[tomphil]

The tinkermon is set to tinker.

Some might say that is at least half the problem. 

[Stuart]

WDL is where we will continue to be.

We have runs of bad form and spells of short winning runs which mean we step up and step down but it then averages out.

I’m hoping we can stay in and around 7-10th to give us the sense of looking up rather than down but we cannot keep persevering with mediocrity (aka stability) and watch managers like Chris Hughton pass us by.

We keep looking for players who can take us to that next level. Sooner or later we have to admit we instead need a manager who can.

[JacknOry]

I think most would say that on paper we now have the squad (strength and depth) that is good enough for top 6. Could we have said that before under TM? He has been given the time and money and not had to sell - so failure to get to top 6 would solely be on him now? That is my view anyway - if he fails to do it this season, he really does have to go even if we fell short by 1 point or goal, top 6 is the expectation and not the target. Fail and he really has to go.

Coventry up next, if he doesn't get the 3 points from that - I think the knives will be out already anyway.

Edited October 22, 2020 by JacknOry

[Mattyblue]

Knives from who? BRFCS, I suppose, but that will be it.

He’s the main man inside the club and he receives unstinting support from the majority of the fanbase.

There are glimpses that we can kick on this season and we just need to hope for the best that he can actually harness it as there’s no alternative.

The forum needs to get it out of its collective head (save yourselves the angst of ‘Should He Go’? Polls and the like)  that he’ll be going anywhere this season, even if he massively underperforms with the squad we’ve acquired and we bumble around in Mid table (again).

 

Edited October 22, 2020 by Mattyblue

[tomphil]

Lots of variables this year thrown into n the mix. Wouldn't normally say it but approaching Christmas is the time to see were we are at this season.

Falling well short or struggling then no ifs buts or maybes he should be put out to grass.  Because in that scenario it's likely to be a season wasted so might as well look to the future. 

[JHRover]

6 hours ago, Ben Frost said:

Yawn.

But congratulations on bringing "relegation form" into the discussion, with 40 out of 46 games still to be played.

See how many games Forest and Derby put up with it. 

[BlackburnEnd75]

I've been very critical of Mowbray at times but personally have seen an improvement in our performances to suggest we can make the playoffs. I can actually see what mowbray is trying to do now which I havent been able to at times.

Forrest was very poor but we were missing too many players and the new lads. Last night we created a lot of chances vs one of the stronger sides in the league, even brereton scored (a good goal too). It's also easy to see how the players that frustrate me (johnson, evans, bell) come out of that team. You get Trybull sitting in the 3, travis back from injury, douglas at left back and on set pieces, rothwell on the left of the 3 driving forward, elliott to get a few more games under his belt. Sprinkle a bit of dack dust and we are looking alright to me.

I'll be having another reassessment after 12 games. 

[1864roverite]

The biggest criticism I have for him is that he refuses to play the best 11! The frustrating thing is how he persists with Evans in the middle, not blessed with speed, gives far too many balls away, is a very poor deliverer of the final pass and is a hindrance to both his fellow midfielder and defence.