Tony Mowbray Discussion

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Sparks, what a absurd comment to make. We all want the best for our Football club but we disagree how that should be done. It's shame that you can't respect different opinions like we can with yours. 

Also a point which alot of Mowbray out people forget is thats its appears we only employ managers from certain agency according to @Miller11 's post a few weeks back. 

I think we have progressed this year and we are better team than past 2 seasons as other Rovers fans have pointed on different sites and social media which I am sure you have seen, 

On Cook, I dont want him anywhere near my club. If you would be happy with him replacing Mowbray then fair enough. I wont. 

Howe has said he will only return to management for a job that motivates him . 

Howe replacing Lennon at Celtic would be good route for him to return and then PL club afterwards similar to Rodgers. 

Howe reputation despite relegation is still high imo. 

says who? 

Very true on other social media sites having very opinion to this site. I did a poll and on a Rovers fan site on facebook where only 2 people wanted him sack and 121 people are backing Mowbray to remain as manager. 

and How many of us wanted Hodgson, Kidd, Souness or Ince at those times? 

I wanted Bowyer to be appointed after his good job in very difficult circumstances that season. He went to do a good job and rebuild the club and its repution so what. Lambert was a good appointment but IMO neither party trusted each other from the start and that why Lambert wanted a release clause in his contract. 

What justification do you have that we have progressed? We are on 29 points from 21 games, 2 and 1 less than at the same point in the last 2 years, and we are 7 points off the play offs compared to 3 and 6 at the same stage in the last 2 years. Why are we better? How have we progressed? The results dont back up your statement.

I specifically said that Cook wouldnt be my choice but to call him a Dingle and dismiss him through that is incredibly childish.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Sparks, what a absurd comment to make. We all want the best for our Football club but we disagree how that should be done. It's shame that you can't respect different opinions like we can with yours. 

Also a point which alot of Mowbray out people forget is thats its appears we only employ managers from certain agency according to @Miller11 's post a few weeks back. 

I think we have progressed this year and we are better team than past 2 seasons as other Rovers fans have pointed on different sites and social media which I am sure you have seen, 

On Cook, I dont want him anywhere near my club. If you would be happy with him replacing Mowbray then fair enough. I wont. 

Howe has said he will only return to management for a job that motivates him . 

Howe replacing Lennon at Celtic would be good route for him to return and then PL club afterwards similar to Rodgers. 

Howe reputation despite relegation is still high imo. 

says who? 

Very true on other social media sites having very opinion to this site. I did a poll and on a Rovers fan site on facebook where only 2 people wanted him sack and 121 people are backing Mowbray to remain as manager. 

and How many of us wanted Hodgson, Kidd, Souness or Ince at those times? 

I wanted Bowyer to be appointed after his good job in very difficult circumstances that season. He went to do a good job and rebuild the club and its repution so what. Lambert was a good appointment but IMO neither party trusted each other from the start and that why Lambert wanted a release clause in his contract. 

I was ambivalent about Kiddo but thought we could have done better, I thought Hodgson was a poor mans Sven. Souness I was pleased with and I thought Ince was a massive gamble we didn't need to take.

[Ewood Ace]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

says who? 

Says me. He took just 4 points from 11 games at one stage towards the end of the 18/19 season, at any normal club a manager would get sacked for such a run of form. Mowbray knows that he is lucky to have survived that as well because when he took 6 points from 10 games as Coventry manager he resigned stating he was an 'honourable' man. Sadly that honour seems to have left him as his only interest now is his own self preservation.  

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Chaddy, it's disappointing to see a fellow fan lack so much ambition for our great premier League winning club.

We are worse off after 21 games this season than 18/19 19/20. 

We won the PL 25 years ago when we were different club and  very different era. 

 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

What justification do you have that we have progressed? We are on 29 points from 21 games, 2 and 1 less than at the same point in the last 2 years, and we are 7 points off the play offs compared to 3 and 6 at the same stage in the last 2 years. Why are we better? How have we progressed? The results dont back up your statement.

I specifically said that Cook wouldnt be my choice but to call him a Dingle and dismiss him through that is incredibly childish.

Created more chances, scoring goals, we have change style that will help move forward. Plus will Dack, Brereton and Travis back into our starting 11. I was to keep this style and formation develop further going forward and next season. 

Defensively, Douglas has been poor and that's cost us. But last 3 games we allow 1 shot on target which the opposition scored. 

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I was ambivalent about Kiddo but thought we could have done better, I thought Hodgson was a poor mans Sven. Souness I was pleased with and I thought Ince was a massive gamble we didn't need to take.

Kidd was poor appointment. 

Ince was shocking gamble and he should never been appointed in the 1st place. 

 

[bazza]

Howe and his family don't like living in the north west. That's why they moved back to a warmer climate in Bournemouth.

Some people are calling for the return of Hughes. Never! If I were a player in the youth team or under 23s and Hughes came back I would look to leave Rovers a.s.a.p. Hughes had no time for bringing youth through. I'll give Mowbray his due in that he has bloodied many youngsters; far more than any previous Rovers manager.

If Mowbray resigned I would look towards Pearson or Cook. This ex-dingle thing is ridiculous. I enjoyed ex-dingles Adam Blacklaw and John Connelly playing for Rovers.

[Sparks Rover]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We won the PL 25 years ago when we were different club and  very different era. 

Same club mate, you must be young and don't give a shit about what you never had.  We are the most successful small town club in the world, you need to remember that when you pontificate about you're £199 a year you spend and how others that don't go are somehow not as good as you at supporting the club.

Imagine saying that about a club you support. No way pedro

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

Same club mate, you must be young and don't give a shit about what you never had.  We are the most successful small town club in the world, you need to remember that when you pontificate about you're £199 a year you spend and how others that don't go are somehow not as good as you at supporting the club.

Imagine saying that about a club you support. No way pedro

Football in the 90's was very different time and era to now. I remember winning the league like it was yesterday and have great memories from King Kenny's reign. Plus Hughes days here as manager and our league form and our European days. Yet great memories I will never forget. 

Spend alot more than 199 pounds at Rovers.each and every season apart from this Coronavirus hit season

[Sparks Rover]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yet great memories I will never forget. 

Sounds like you've forgotten Chaddy. You shouldn't be accepting this mediocre based on our last 25 years.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Sparks Rover said:

Sounds like you've forgotten Chaddy. You shouldn't be accepting this mediocre based on our last 25 years.

Sadly not Sparks. Remember it like it was yesterday

[Ewood Ace]

17 minutes ago, bazza said:

Howe and his family don't like living in the north west. That's why they moved back to a warmer climate in Bournemouth.

Some people are calling for the return of Hughes. Never! If I were a player in the youth team or under 23s and Hughes came back I would look to leave Rovers a.s.a.p. Hughes had no time for bringing youth through. I'll give Mowbray his due in that he has bloodied many youngsters; far more than any previous Rovers manager.

Because when Hughes was in charge we were a top half of the Premiership club and the players coming through the system were not of that calibre. If the likes of Travis, Buckley and Lenihan had come through the system 15 years ago they would have been no way near good enough to make it at first team level.

Mowbray is managing a mid table Championship side and we have players of that calibre coming through the system but Nyambe is the only one even close to being Premier League standard.

One of the top players coming through the set up when Hughes was in charge was Joe Garner he was no way near good enough for us with where we were at the time as his career has shown but were he coming through the system now he'd be much more likely to play for the first team because he would be playing at his level. 

Edited December 28, 2020 by Ewood Ace

[G Somerset Rover]

Chaddy if we finish on a similar points total and position to the last two seasons (looking more than likely) then would you want a change in the summer?

Edited December 28, 2020 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

We won the PL 25 years ago when we were different club and  very different era. 

 

Created more chances, scoring goals, we have change style that will help move forward. Plus will Dack, Brereton and Travis back into our starting 11. I was to keep this style and formation develop further going forward and next season. 

Defensively, Douglas has been poor and that's cost us. But last 3 games we allow 1 shot on target which the opposition scored. 

Kidd was poor appointment. 

Ince was shocking gamble and he should never been appointed in the 1st place. 

 

Why will the style help us win games going forward? Just seems like illogical hope in the face of all logic that it will all click, that we will go on a run, that we could get into the top 6 all of a sudden. The style despite us improving the personnel (Kaminski and Elliott) hasnt improved results. End of.

[chaddyrovers]

18 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Why will the style help us win games going forward? Just seems like illogical hope in the face of all logic that it will all click, that we will go on a run, that we could get into the top 6 all of a sudden. The style despite us improving the personnel (Kaminski and Elliott) hasnt improved results. End of.

Creating more chances by attacking teams increase your chances of winning games instead of being defensive and only created a couple of chances. 

 

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Creating more chances by attacking teams increase your chances of winning games instead of being defensive and only created a couple of chances. 

 

The specific changes made this season certainly havent increased our chances of winning so far.

[philipl]

Pulis good enough to outwit Mowbray with a team of donkeys.

Pulis not good enough for Sheffield Wednesday.

They have sacked him.

[martonrover]

9 hours ago, bazza said:

Howe and his family don't like living in the north west. That's why they moved back to a warmer climate in Bournemouth.

Some people are calling for the return of Hughes. Never! If I were a player in the youth team or under 23s and Hughes came back I would look to leave Rovers a.s.a.p. Hughes had no time for bringing youth through. I'll give Mowbray his due in that he has bloodied many youngsters; far more than any previous Rovers manager.

If Mowbray resigned I would look towards Pearson or Cook. This ex-dingle thing is ridiculous. I enjoyed ex-dingles Adam Blacklaw and John Connelly playing for Rovers.

Howe could come and live on the balmy Fylde coast 😉 

I hope he knows that it can get a bit chilly in Newcastle and Glasgow.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

4 hours ago, philipl said:

Pulis good enough to outwit Mowbray with a team of donkeys.

Pulis not good enough for Sheffield Wednesday.

They have sacked him.

No messing about there by the Wednesday Directors...decisive Management.

[Songman]

10 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

Because when Hughes was in charge we were a top half of the Premiership club and the players coming through the system were not of that calibre. If the likes of Travis, Buckley and Lenihan had come through the system 15 years ago they would have been no way near good enough to make it at first team level.

Mowbray is managing a mid table Championship side and we have players of that calibre coming through the system but Nyambe is the only one even close to being Premier League standard.

One of the top players coming through the set up when Hughes was in charge was Joe Garner he was no way near good enough for us with where we were at the time as his career has shown but were he coming through the system now he'd be much more likely to play for the first team because he would be playing at his level. 

Agree on Nyambe, worryingly if Bennett and JRC were fit there's a fair chance Mowbray would have Nyambe sat on the bench.

[Blue blood]

9 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Creating more chances by attacking teams increase your chances of winning games instead of being defensive and only created a couple of chances. 

 

Now this clearly isn't true. In fact the evidence refutes this quite considerably. I could write an essay on this but just three quick pieces of evidence. 

1) Top teams are always built from the back. Manure under Fergie, Chelski under the annoying one, Rovers under King Kenny. Sure the SAS got the headlines and were a huge factor but it was built on a solid foundation of defense - Berg, Hendry, Le Saux, Flowers etc. Boring boring Arsenal under George Graham. Liverpool's success under Klopp finally came when they shelled out for a top class centre back and goalkeeper. Coincidence? No. Since forever good teams have always been built on a solid defence. 

2) The defence issue also works the other way too. What does Big Sam do to keep teams up - tighten the defence. Warnock likewise kept a fair few teams up with a similar strategy. Heck Hughes when he first came in started by stabilising the defence. Teams stay up and are successful built on a good defense. 

3) The evidence at Rovers clearly doesn't back up your point. We are no better off with this new style so there is no proof that it has improved us or our chances to get promotion. In fact we are worse off then last year so if anything it has hindered. Then take the previous example under Coyle - we scored a fair few but leaked more (as I recall). The evidence at our own club shows that this attacking style doesn't lead to more success. 

I may still be on ignore (a tad unjustly as there's been no personal attacks but there we go) but regardless I think it's worth highlighting the myth that this attacking football has improved our chances of success. 

 

 

[Ulrich]

I believe an old saying is appropriate :

You cannot help those that don't want to be helped. 

[Mattyblue]

‘Attacking means you win more games’

Well there you have it, simple ay? Think we all (me certainly included) need to stop letting threads getting derailed by someone with such a simplistic outlook.

Edited December 29, 2020 by Mattyblue

[dingles staying down 4ever]

For those who say we are more attack minded this season can I ask in the last month can you name one game where you can say we worked the opposition goalkeeper too much? I genuinely cannot remember a game where we created a lot of chances. I'm not included Armstrong shoot from anywhere because they are not creating but actually wasting good positions. Nor can I remember games we've lost where you think we were unlucky but I can certainly think of games where I thought we very lucky to get a result.

[HowieFive0]

7 minutes ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

For those who say we are more attack minded this season can I ask in the last month can you name one game where you can say we worked the opposition goalkeeper too much? I genuinely cannot remember a game where we created a lot of chances. I'm not included Armstrong shoot from anywhere because they are not creating but actually wasting good positions. Nor can I remember games we've lost where you think we were unlucky but I can certainly think of games where I thought we very lucky to get a result.

Possibly Norwich ..?

One thing is for certain our shooting is bloody wayward ..the number of shots off target is pretty  high.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

21 minutes ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

For those who say we are more attack minded this season can I ask in the last month can you name one game where you can say we worked the opposition goalkeeper too much? I genuinely cannot remember a game where we created a lot of chances. I'm not included Armstrong shoot from anywhere because they are not creating but actually wasting good positions. Nor can I remember games we've lost where you think we were unlucky but I can certainly think of games where I thought we very lucky to get a result.

How often do we get to the byeline and cross it into the 6 yard box?

We have amongst the highest shots in the Championship but they are rarely clear-cut chances. 

[JHRover]

An incredibly naive approach and attitude to the game. Just like Mowbray's delusions of replicating Leeds. He thinks he's better than he is and has repeatedly failed to learn from mistakes during his career.

He's very lucky to be operating in the Ewood vacuum surrounded by acolytes who lap up every word and question nothing.