Tony Mowbray Discussion

[matt83]

19 minutes ago, Southside Rover said:

Ask his wife. What kind of a question is that? No one on this forum would know or have any business knowing.

Could it not simply be waggott is a chancer who initially blagged his way into a £300,000 a year job through his mate wagga. Then since being at a rudderless football club on decent money, with no leadership from the top, he’s spotted an opportunity to further feather his nest by converting a category one football training ground/academy into a category one training ground/academy. 

[Southside Rover]

2 minutes ago, matt83 said:

Could it not simply be waggott is a chancer who initially blagged his way into a £300,000 a year job through his mate wagga. Then since being at a rudderless football club on decent money, with no leadership from the top, he’s spotted an opportunity to further feather his nest by converting a category one football training ground/academy into a category one training ground/academy. 

If that's your opinion Matt, that's up to you. It's not mine based on some of the points made previously. 

[LDRover]

Just seen an interview with Mowbray on Andy Bayes's twitter. Suddenly he's gone all Mr Motivator, passionate about the club, bigging us up as world famous Blackburn Rovers and how he's proud to manage us.

A complete u turn from the disrespectful shite he was peddling a couple of weeks ago. Looks like this is his Plan B to keep his job, he knows he's losing (lost) the fans and is on a charm offensive to woo back the weak and gullible (of which there are plenty). 

Shame he's got no Plan B on the pitch.

[Mattyblue]

Hate change? You’ll find we’d love things to change Southside, as we’ve watched the same shite on and off the pitch for a decade now...

[matt83]

Change would be just the tonic for me. Change the manager, change the ceo, change the owners. Bring on the change!!!

[Southside Rover]

Just now, Mattyblue said:

Hate change? You’ll find we’d love things to change Southside, as we’ve watched the same shite on and off the pitch for a decade now...

Love change? They propose change and its ridiculed.

As I say I've been on here a week or so and it's toxic. If anyone offers any opinion or perspective from a different angle they are shot down.

I'll say again its a proposal, for me it makes some sense and I don't see much other choices in the world we live if we want to kick on. It needs to kick on on the pitch but it has to have foundations behind it, the same as Mr Walker did before. Again as I said before, Walker carried respect and trust heading in so its recieved positively and was replacing nothing really. No matter what is suggested unless they paid solely from their own pockets, it will be ridiculed. 

[Mattyblue]

Because it’s a change for the worse. The Academy and Brockhall generally is certainly not the iceberg that’s melting at BRFC...

[Rogerb]

It's a question of trust Southside there is little of that left. How do you feel about the potential loss of cat 1 status?

[Southside Rover]

1 hour ago, Wovers said:

Don’t take him on, Stuart. Clearly a bit simple.

Simple yes if only you knew. Simple because I see things differently.... 

[matt83]

13 minutes ago, Southside Rover said:

Love change? They propose change and its ridiculed.

As I say I've been on here a week or so and it's toxic. If anyone offers any opinion or perspective from a different angle they are shot down.

I'll say again its a proposal, for me it makes some sense and I don't see much other choices in the world we live if we want to kick on. It needs to kick on on the pitch but it has to have foundations behind it, the same as Mr Walker did before. Again as I said before, Walker carried respect and trust heading in so its recieved positively and was replacing nothing really. No matter what is suggested unless they paid solely from their own pockets, it will be ridiculed. 

Don’t buy this 30 years old antiquated training ground bullshit. It’s currently the highest category it can be. They’re making it sound like a dusty relic from the 1920s. But why? Ask the question who stands to earn out of this particularly as waggott is claiming any money generated will go into redeveloping the training ground. So nothing suggested will reduce debt or improved the playing side of things. When the stadium is crumbling, £200 million in debt, no defenders, why would you waste money on “improving” something to the same standard it already is. It’s illogical unless someone pushing it stands to earn out of it. 

Edited February 26, 2021 by matt83

[Southside Rover]

Just now, Rogerb said:

It's a question of trust Southside there is little of that left. How do you feel about the potential loss of cat 1 status?

Of course it is about trust and clearly their is none from the majority. I'm in the minority I know that.

Losing cat 1 status would be a disaster but the club acknowledged that and I don't see that is the intention. I see a proposal that intends on retaining that status whilst generating funds and setting the club for the next 20 years by investing into the infrastructure. 

Time will tell, maybe I'll have to come back cap in hand, maybe I'll get some apologies when and if it happens and we know whether that trust was well placed or not.

[47er]

11 minutes ago, Southside Rover said:

Love change? They propose change and its ridiculed.

As I say I've been on here a week or so and it's toxic. If anyone offers any opinion or perspective from a different angle they are shot down.

I'll say again its a proposal, for me it makes some sense and I don't see much other choices in the world we live if we want to kick on. It needs to kick on on the pitch but it has to have foundations behind it, the same as Mr Walker did before. Again as I said before, Walker carried respect and trust heading in so its recieved positively and was replacing nothing really. No matter what is suggested unless they paid solely from their own pockets, it will be ridiculed. 

Its a "proposal' that has gone in for approval and if approved would be carried out.

At which point its too late to protest.

There are always choices. Venkys could choose to walk away from this nightmare and hand the Club over to Community Ownership debt-free.

They, however, seem to prefer the alternative of death by a thousand cuts.

 

[47er]

2 minutes ago, Southside Rover said:

I don't see that is the intention.

Wasn't their intent to see us relegated----twice!

Hapless and hopeless.

Edited February 26, 2021 by 47er

[47er]

8 hours ago, davulsukur said:

If Waggott has said if they sack Mowbray then he goes too

What a threat! I see that as good news personally!

[Southside Rover]

2 minutes ago, matt83 said:

Don’t buy this 30 years old antiquated training ground bullshit. It’s currently the highest category it can be. They’re making it sound like a dusty relic from the 1920s. But why? Ask the question who stands to earn out of this particularly as waggott is claiming any money generated will go into redeveloping the training ground. So nothing suggested will reduce debt or improved the playing side of things. When the stadium is crumbling, £200 million in debt, no defenders would you waste money on “improving” something to the same standard it already is. It’s illogical unless someone pushing it stands to earn out of it. 

How can it be. Anything built 30 years ago is going to need renovating to a level but football has changed massively in that time and 30 years in football may as well be dog years. Remember when Shearer went for 15 million and everyone stood back. Today that's 150 million plus which just shows how things change and that was less than 30 years ago.

I'm not saying it's a rusty wreck but let's remember we had frozen pitches and trained at Ewood a couple of times this year which we all know is not Premier League standard. The proposal mentioned in parts at addressing that kind of thing.

[Southside Rover]

5 minutes ago, 47er said:

Its a "proposal' that has gone in for approval and if approved would be carried out.

At which point its too late to protest.

There are always choices. Venkys could choose to walk away from this nightmare and hand the Club over to Community Ownership debt-free.

They, however, seem to prefer the alternative of death by a thousand cuts.

 

Hand over debt free. Who picks up the debt?

[Southside Rover]

5 minutes ago, 47er said:

Wasn't their intent to see us relegated----twice!

Hapless and hopeless.

Are they here to get rich off the club or to get us relegated and worthless? 

I'm not defending the majority if their tenure, it was a shambles but I don't think they intended to get us relegated, I'm not sure what is achieved for anyone in that unless Venkys are secret Burnley fans.

[Mattyblue]

Don’t fall for the spin.

a) They are not 30 years old, the academy is only 20 for a start.

b) We have indoor pitches at Brockhall especially built for winter weather -that TM refused to use, ‘I don’t like artificial surfaces’ (so ripped up Ewood instead)- though nicely builds up a view that Brockhall is an antiquated place that needs modernising, doesn’t it?

Come on South, you seem a smart enough fella, wake up a bit and read between the lines in what you are being spun and why.

Edited February 26, 2021 by Mattyblue

[47er]

11 hours ago, Southside Rover said:

Hand over debt free. Who picks up the debt?

Well have a guess! Venkys who are responsible for it all! Its not going to come from a whip-round in the pubs is it?

Why should they do that? Because their lunacy caused it and, should they carry on, the debt will only double. Its a debt of honour if you like. Its accepting responsibility

No way of recouping it other than promotion and settled status in The Premier League.

We all know they are incapable of achieving that.

By the way, I'm always wary of people who come on here at crisis times with virtually no posting history and support the owners/ Ewood hierarchy. I always suspect some skullduggery!

Edited February 27, 2021 by 47er

[Rogerb]

14 minutes ago, Southside Rover said:

Of course it is about trust and clearly their is none from the majority. I'm in the minority I know that.

Losing cat 1 status would be a disaster but the club acknowledged that and I don't see that is the intention. I see a proposal that intends on retaining that status whilst generating funds and setting the club for the next 20 years by investing into the infrastructure. 

Time will tell, maybe I'll have to come back cap in hand, maybe I'll get some apologies when and if it happens and we know whether that trust was well placed or not.

We're you aware that not long after Mowbray arrived he stated that he didn't see the benefit of a cat 1 academy and would rather have the money for the first team?

[Roverall]

33 minutes ago, LDRover said:

Just seen an interview with Mowbray on Andy Bayes's twitter. Suddenly he's gone all Mr Motivator, passionate about the club, bigging us up as world famous Blackburn Rovers and how he's proud to manage us.

A complete u turn from the disrespectful shite he was peddling a couple of weeks ago. Looks like this is his Plan B to keep his job, he knows he's losing (lost) the fans and is on a charm offensive to woo back the weak and gullible (of which there are plenty). 

Shame he's got no Plan B on the pitch.

I would wager good money that Mowbray, Waggott et al are very aware of the chatter on this board. A few posters, myself included, used the very phrase about Blackburn Rovers being famous all over the world, and now he suddenly says that out of nowhere in a speech to Bayes that could be set to a melodramatic 'inspirational' Hollywood blockbuster soundtrack. 

Very odd. Whatever he may say, he clearly is worried about losing his job. 

[47er]

7 minutes ago, Southside Rover said:

but I don't think they intended to get us relegated,

That's exactly what I said. Wasn't their intent but it happened---twice!

So if their intent is to improve the Academy, on past record it will be a disaster.

As I said hapless and hopeless.

[Southside Rover]

2 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Don’t fall for the spin.

a) They are not 30 years old, the academy is only 20 for a start.

b) We have indoor pitches at Brockhall especially built for winter weather -that TM refused to use, ‘I don’t like artificial surfaces’ (so ripped up Ewood instead)- though nicely builds up a view that Brockhall is an antiquated place that needs modernising, doesn’t it?

Come on South, you seem a smart enough fella, wake up a bit and read between the lines in what you are being spun and why.

Ha ha don't invite me onto the poison chalice. I need positivity in life. 

I do understand the apprehension and I've seen it a club not far from me which incidentally is on BT next Tuesday but although a smaller club that was done brutally, completely different to what I see these days at Blackburn. Up until a few years ago I was completely aligned with what I read on here but I just see it differently to the majority with what I've seen over the past couple of years. I just see it from from a different angle. The failure on the pitch only makes things worse as the dark cloud grows. 

I know the answer but what would it take for fans to see things differently?

[matt83]

16 minutes ago, Southside Rover said:

How can it be. Anything built 30 years ago is going to need renovating to a level but football has changed massively in that time and 30 years in football may as well be dog years. Remember when Shearer went for 15 million and everyone stood back. Today that's 150 million plus which just shows how things change and that was less than 30 years ago.

I'm not saying it's a rusty wreck but let's remember we had frozen pitches and trained at Ewood a couple of times this year which we all know is not Premier League standard. The proposal mentioned in parts at addressing that kind of thing.

By how can it be, do you mean how can it be the highest category? If so 30 years old or 1 year old we are one of only 24 clubs to have a category one academy. Surely would be better modernising what we have than chuck out the baby with the bath water. Ultimately when there’s so many more areas of the club that need money chucking at it why bother with the one area we have that’s equal to any club in the country in terms of its status. Unless, some nefarious ceo and co stand to earn out of it. 

[tomphil]

46 minutes ago, LDRover said:

Just seen an interview with Mowbray on Andy Bayes's twitter. Suddenly he's gone all Mr Motivator, passionate about the club, bigging us up as world famous Blackburn Rovers and how he's proud to manage us.

A complete u turn from the disrespectful shite he was peddling a couple of weeks ago. Looks like this is his Plan B to keep his job, he knows he's losing (lost) the fans and is on a charm offensive to woo back the weak and gullible (of which there are plenty). 

Shame he's got no Plan B on the pitch.

Another sickening PR job that's barely left a dry eye on some social media platforms. Polar opposite to what he was trotting out the other day, i'm not sure he's devious i just think he's muddled again.

Right from when he walked in the door i thought he looked like a man caught between two minds. That's probably why he's never been a top end championship manager because he does have his good points. Something though is lacking and i'm convinced it's the conflict within his own mind.

His stuff on the pitch and in recruitment screams it loud and clear.