Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Stuart]

1 hour ago, JoeH said:

I think a fair reflection would be that both sides of the Tony Mowbray argument have vicious figures. To brand one lot as that and not the other is a little unfair to me, perhaps a biased reflection.

People in the Twittersphere would read these forums and perhaps be taken aback by how completely different the views are, much as many BRFCS posters are taken aback by the wholly different views found on social media.

To call one user group vicious is harsh in the least.

Disagree. Those who believe Mowbray should go focus on exactly that, with a sense of increasing frustration with every passing defeat. Those who believe he should stay focus their ire on other fans, with an increasing amount of vitriol.

”If you don’t agree you’re not a real fan”

This has been the way of it since The Kean Problem - which is what happens when at any other club the manager is removed and replaced. Here, partly because of how hands-off Venkys are, these managers stay far longer creating a toxic fanbase.

It happened with Kean then with Bowyer, and it’s happening again now.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Stuart said:

Disagree. Those who believe Mowbray should go focus on exactly that, with a sense of increasing frustration with every passing defeat. Those who believe he should stay focus their ire on other fans, with an increasing amount of vitriol.

”If you don’t agree you’re not a real fan”

This has been the way of it since The Kean Problem - which is what happens when at any other club the manager is removed and replaced. Here, partly because of how hands-off Venkys are, these managers stay far longer creating a toxic fanbase.

It happened with Kean then with Bowyer, and it’s happening again now.

There's plenty of that kind of rhetoric and over-the-top comments from both sides. It's simply unrealistic to brand an entire group of people with one brush and ignore completely the other.

And the bit in bold couldn't be further from the truth for me.

[Mattyblue]

As Stuart says, we had this exact thing with Bowyer. 

Though it was soon ‘Gary who?’ after we won at PNE with Lambert...
 

[Roverall]

2 minutes ago, JoeH said:

There's plenty of that kind of rhetoric and over-the-top comments from both sides. It's simply unrealistic to brand an entire group of people with one brush and ignore completely the other.

And the bit in bold couldn't be further from the truth for me.

"There are some very fine people... on both sides."

[Blue blood]

2 minutes ago, JoeH said:

There's plenty of that kind of rhetoric and over-the-top comments from both sides. It's simply unrealistic to brand an entire group of people with one brush and ignore completely the other.

And the bit in bold couldn't be further from the truth for me.

Genuine question Joe - given the manager says he is a man of integrity but also says stuff like Nayambe debacle (lying/contradicting  himself multiple times and blaming the fans) how are we supposed to respond? 

[Stuart]

31 minutes ago, JoeH said:

There's plenty of that kind of rhetoric and over-the-top comments from both sides. It's simply unrealistic to brand an entire group of people with one brush and ignore completely the other.

And the bit in bold couldn't be further from the truth for me.

You really need to take a look on Facebook.

(Actually scratch that, you don’t - I’d rather put up with you telling me I’m wrong - QED, btw - than subject you to that!)

[TimmyJimmy]

2 hours ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

"So you're agreeing Mowbray was wrong to insinuate that Rovers fans are responsible for upsetting the young lads?"

No I'm not defending TM's interviews in any way.

"Who isn't corrupt and how do you know?"

You're asking me to prove a logical positive, it's impossible as I suspect you well know.

"Lynch mob? That's quite some accusation from someone upset that TM is having his character questioned."

It's not an accusation it's an observation.

"Rovers fans have genuine concerns and have every right to ask questions about what is happening at the club."

Yes of course, who said otherwise.  There used to be a thing called 'common decency', social media isn't for me (excepting this site) so I guess I'm not hardened to the language and tone of the keyboard warrior.  I find that denigrating someone, and urging others to do so, without any evidence whatsoever is not something I want to identify with.  TM cannot be accused of corruption on the basis of conspiracy theories alone.  I want him out for football reasons, his character shouldn't be attacked for non football reasons IMO.  I don't understand why this should be controversial.

 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, TimmyJimmy said:

No I'm not defending TM's interviews in any way.

So why did you start with 'Sorry guys I'm not with you on this'? What exactly is the point you're trying to make?

[Southside Rover]

6 hours ago, RoverInverness said:

Hi Southside, 

I generally appreciate people having different opinions. It is one of the things makes the message board a good read. I come on here most days - and have done for years - to get my fix of Rovers news. I accept you’re not a WUM for having opinions that stray quite some distance from the board consensus.

However, you have wound me up. You don’t work 17 hours a day. Don’t be silly, it makes everything else you say lack credibility. Unless you’re stitching trainers in an Indonesian sweat shop or have been illegally trafficked down to the south of England to work in a cannabis farm you ain’t usually working 17 hours a day. If you were you certainly wouldn’t have time to come on here and debate.

I don’t work 17 hours a day, but I am busy and I won’t have time to respond.

 

Who are you to tell me how many hours I work a day? Problem with forums they turn people into God's who know it all. In the week I work 17hrs a day Monday to Thursday, a shorter day Friday and then I rest at the weekend other than doing stuff around the house, being with the family etc. 

[Southside Rover]

4 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

They might choose to walk away with a £200m loss; simply because this is as good as it is likely to get. Pumping in c.£17m p.a. to keep the business ticking over is throwing even more money into a black hole.

The only positive way out for them is promotion & a sustained spell in the PL. No other scenario gives them their money back.

 

 

Completely agree on that being the only realistic way back financially which I personally think the support financially in the transfer windows has been to build towards that whilst having one eye on investing in young players who could be sold on if we don't get there. I think for as long as they see that as feasible, they won't simply walk away 200 million short

[Southside Rover]

3 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

My advice would be work a bit less in that case. I used to work daft hours until I realised it wasn't doing me any good mentally.

Experience is experience bit no 2 people are the same

[Southside Rover]

3 hours ago, yoda's brother said:

have you noticed somebody missing over the last few pages ? he must be on his 7 hour rest or has found the faceache group were he can mingle with likeminded people.

 

mowbray out ffs

Just needed a break from the negativity 😴

[Southside Rover]

2 minutes ago, Southside Rover said:

Just needed a break from the negativity 😴

And I said I work 17hrs not sit on a forum for 17hrs

[roversfan99]

I do think too much importance is placed around what Mowbray says rather than what he does.

In the last few weeks, we have tumbled down the league to the point where we are now as close to the bottom 3 as 6th, 10 places off our supposed minimum aim, with many of the same reoccuring problems on the field, inconsistent tactics, baffling subs, players out of position, strange team selections etc. Yet the majority of vitriol has been aimed at what he says post game or even how he behaves on the touchline and his general demeanour, the Nyambe comments were particularly curious (he was performing poorly, but the nonsense about fans picking the team less so) but in the main they have just been comments of a man who is clearly in self preservation mode. Its one of them, if we was winning, no one would listen to what the said afterwards.

On the flip side, the comments following his Radio Lancashire interview on twitter underneath are sick inducing, its as if people have been won over by words and have forgotten how we are stagnating on the field.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

I do think too much importance is placed around what Mowbray says rather than what he does.

In the last few weeks, we have tumbled down the league to the point where we are now as close to the bottom 3 as 6th, 10 places off our supposed minimum aim, with many of the same reoccuring problems on the field, inconsistent tactics, baffling subs, players out of position, strange team selections etc. Yet the majority of vitriol has been aimed at what he says post game or even how he behaves on the touchline and his general demeanour,

It's hard to keep saying the same things about the team after 4 years of the same problems. The only remotely intriguing thing left to look out for is how he reacts after every defeat, and if his mutterings give any clues as to whether he sees himself as under pressure or not. 

 

[arbitro]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I do think too much importance is placed around what Mowbray says rather than what he does.

In the last few weeks, we have tumbled down the league to the point where we are now as close to the bottom 3 as 6th, 10 places off our supposed minimum aim, with many of the same reoccuring problems on the field, inconsistent tactics, baffling subs, players out of position, strange team selections etc. Yet the majority of vitriol has been aimed at what he says post game or even how he behaves on the touchline and his general demeanour, the Nyambe comments were particularly curious (he was performing poorly, but the nonsense about fans picking the team less so) but in the main they have just been comments of a man who is clearly in self preservation mode. Its one of them, if we was winning, no one would listen to what the said afterwards.

On the flip side, the comments following his Radio Lancashire interview on twitter underneath are sick inducing, its as if people have been won over by words and have forgotten how we are stagnating on the field.

The two are intrinsically linked. We can see with our own eyes what he does during a match but his commenis continually during the week and post match give us an insight into his mindset and thoughts. If we were winning games I could stomach his comments but with the drivel he is coming out with it gives fans another stick to beat him with.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

Just went down a blackhole with some clown on social media after posting that Mowbray and Waggott were stealing a living. He's genuinely said I'm stuck in the 1880's because I want us to get back to our glory days. Honestly where do you even start with these wands!? 

[Miller11]

1 minute ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

Just went down a blackhole with some clown on social media after posting that Mowbray and Waggott were stealing a living. He's genuinely said I'm stuck in the 1880's because I want us to get back to our glory days. Honestly where do you even start with these wands!? 

I’ve bitten today at “The worst thing we ever did was win the Prem.”

Disgusting.

[Tom]

It’s noticeable that since this last interview people connected to the club, journalists, ex players, employees of the club etc have come out in force.

Very odd that one stirring ‘independence day’ style speech can change everything 

[Tom]

37 minutes ago, Southside Rover said:

Who are you to tell me how many hours I work a day? Problem with forums they turn people into God's who know it all. In the week I work 17hrs a day Monday to Thursday, a shorter day Friday and then I rest at the weekend other than doing stuff around the house, being with the family etc. 

Is it legal to be working in excess of 70 hours a week? Has the EWTD gone out of the window now we’ve left?

[Richard Oakley]

Mowbray's gaslighted Raya. He's gaslighting Nyambe. One year he blamed the defeats on Lenihan being out injured. This year we lost because Ayala was out. The Travis that's reported as out on the field now, I don't recognise as the player who forced his way into the team. He's there, paraphrasing Mowbray's words, to 'kick someone'.

He had the opportunity to sell Williams and didn't. I think he had the same chance with Evans.

Mowbray blamed fans for forcing him to play Nyambe. The player whom he said was going to be out for months with a hamstring. RB Leipzig let fans choose the team, formation and tactics. If we did that, we'd be three up on Mowbray. He's no idea how 20 different CB partnerships have happened this season. Someone pointed that out to Nixon who replied 'and 56 midfielders'. Somebody else must be picking those teams. I've seen nothing to suggest that Mowbray suffers from a multiple personality disorder. So, Mowbray must be trying to shift he blame, if that's what it is, away from him.

Live on Sky, Mowbray comes out and says 'we don't play like that', despite our playing like that previously this season.

He claims he doesn't like training on indoor pitches up at the STC and would rather ruin the pitch at Ewood Park. This it seems then allows Peabody's to claim that the STC is becoming derelict in a planning application to sell it to develop houses.

I had no idea that Mowbray was from the same HSH stable. He wasn't exactly open about who his agent is, now was he?

Despite all the evidence to the contrary people still claim that Mowbray is a man of integrity.

[Richard Oakley]

14 minutes ago, Tom said:

Is it legal to be working in excess of 70 hours a week? Has the EWTD gone out of the window now we’ve left?

If they're all billable hours.

[bluebruce]

24 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

but in the main they have just been comments of a man who is clearly in self preservation mode.

"if someone else is going to do the job then that’s fine, it’s not an issue for me."
“I’m not self-protective, if I’m a burden on the club then the owners need to do something about it"

According to the man himself, he isn't. I agree with you of course, he clearly is. But even that, he's denying. People already know that the results are unacceptable, but they really don't like being lied to and taken for fools on top of that. Especially by a man who is at the same time insisting:

"I hope the fans know that they have a person who doesn’t pull the wool over their eyes, doesn’t tell them lies, doesn’t try and con them on something"

[Southside Rover]

32 minutes ago, Tom said:

Is it legal to be working in excess of 70 hours a week? Has the EWTD gone out of the window now we’ve left?

Arrest me. If Mowbray does 12hrs a day and then there on a Saturday he's probably about the same so if it's illegal you may have stumbled across a way of finally getting him out

[1864roverite]

Let’s be honest Venkys pumping £17m a years is chicken feed to them. The world needs eggs and pharmaceuticals and will forever do so. Even in the midst of a world pandemic they will always profit handsomely