Tony Mowbray Discussion

[gumboots]

We all fear who Venkys might appoint but then we all fear what happens if Mowbray stays too. Devil and the deep, blue sea. But they might accidentally find us someone who can somehow keep us up. Its the hope that kills you

[tomphil]

5 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

I am intrigued about how exactly Venkys are going to find and negotiate with a new manager. The whole setup the club is so mental. 

As someone on here pointed out we got Mowbray through Paul Senior, who left when we got relegated. Then Mowbray effectively appointed Waggot (lol). So they don't know if they can really trust him to find a new manager. 

So they've got to go via an agency (but presumably will be wary of that after being rinsed by Kentaro). Or go for something mad like the Shebby Singh thing where thye get someone they trust to do it, even if they know nothing about football. 

We could be in a bit of weird situation where :

• Mowbray wants to go (his interview sounded like he does...)
• The owners want him out
• But the owners actually don't know how to do it.

How mad is that?

In that context I reckon maybe the rumours about Hughes could be true as he is well known enough for Venkys to just pick up the phone to him directly. But I imagine Hughes won't be particularly impressed with the level of dysfunction at the club if that is true.

HSH supply the managers i'm not sure Senior had much to do with it at all. He was just parachuted in as a consultant to get rid of Coyle, then he was a head to roll upon relegation. 

He might have tried to put his name to it but really do we think they would listen to him when they've never listened to anyone else ?  

Iv'e been told all appointments are done well away from Ewood and even the directors didn't know who was coming until the day before they arrived. That was from someone who was involved.

Same thing will likely happen again, probably after Venus has stood in for a while.

[davulsukur]

Seems to like mentioning that he might not be here for long or not here to take us on the journey in his last few interviews.

Pretty much asking to be sacked but Venkys probably won't be acting anytime soon.

So demoralising having such a dysfunctional set up throughout the club.

[Armchair supporter supremo]

Pullis 🤢 I despair, we need someone whos going to bring some optimism & charisma with him, not another hasbin dinosaur. 

 

When Mowbray was initially hired, he was the right man for the job at that time and it turned out to be one of the venkys very few successful decisions, let's keep a little faith and hope we again get the right man for the job and also that they don't let Mowbray carry on moping about the place for much longer, further destroying whatever moral is left at the training ground! 

Edited March 2, 2021 by Armchair supporter supremo

[G Somerset Rover]

8 minutes ago, West Yorks Rover said:

You could be right there Joey, might all be sorted already.

Somebody on Twitter said how Pulis mentioned Mowbray was lucky to still be in a job. Didn’t hear/see anything myself but could add some weight if he did say as much.

Edited March 2, 2021 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[AllRoverAsia]

13 minutes ago, Ghost7 said:

I miss the days when you could sing "sacked in the morning!" and the manager actually did get sacked in the morning.

I'm singing it now - 6.27 am Bkk time

[joey_big_nose]

I've thought about it, based on the comments above and the managers available, and agree it sounds like it will be Pulis 😞

The key thing with Venkys is low effort simplicity - so if Pulis is represented by people they know, and is available, and has the basic metrics on his CV (ie. a promotion) then that makes sense. Add to that Mowbray's pretty intense discussion of possession football winning promotions post game, and saying to stick to that philosophy, I think it sounds pretty nailed on that Pulis is on the cards. 

To be more optimistic maybe there are a couple of names in the hat (say Pulis and Hughes) and Mowbray is trying to steer them away from Pulis. But I just can't see Venkys looking beyond someone represented by people they have a relationship with who meets some basic easily understandable criteria.

Edited March 2, 2021 by joey_big_nose

[G Somerset Rover]

Jesus Christ, apologies if it was mentioned in the last few days, but Pasha’s last two likes on Twitter are:

Bayes praising Mowbray’s Reading pre-match interview and Lancs’ Sports tweet where it quotes Mowbray not fearing for his job. 

FFS.

Edited March 2, 2021 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[Roverall]

I know it's the hope that kills, but... Just imagine if the Pune dopes just said 'to hell with it' and forked out for a top class manager on a bumper contract... 

OK, I'll wake up now. 

[Roverall]

2 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Jesus Christ, apologies if it was mentioned in the last few days, but Pasha’s last two likes on Twitter are:

Bayes praising Mowbray’s Reading pre-match interview and Lancs’ Sports tweet where it quotes Mowbray not fearing for his job. 

FFS.

🤮😑

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

3 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

I've thought about it, based on the comments above and the managers available, and agree it sounds like it will be Pulis 😞

The key thing with Venkys is low effort simplicity - so if Pulis is represented by people they know, and is available, and has the basic metrics on his CV (ie. a promotion) then that makes sense. Add to that Mowbray's pretty intense discussion of possession football winning promotions post game, and saying to stick to that philosophy, I think it sounds pretty nailed on that Pulis is on the cards. 

To be more optimistic maybe there are a couple of names in the hat (say Pulis and Hughes) and Mowbray is trying to steer them away from Pulis. But I just can't see Venkys looking beyond someone represented by people they have a relationship with who meets some basic easily understandable criteria.

He's not going anywhere. 

[jim mk2]

15 minutes ago, Armchair supporter supremo said:

Pullis 🤢 I despair, we need someone whos going to bring some optimism & charisma with him, not another hasbin dinosaur. 

Like Mick McCarthy and Neil Warnock ?

[SuperBrfc]

25 minutes ago, Don Said said:

I think a lot of the clues point towards Pulis. On the books of the agency supplying our previous 4 managers. And I’m sure he himself would chuck his cap straight in for the job. Convenient for both Venkys and Pulis.

 

I think so too. I'm convinced Pulis is going to be the next man in. I really hope that doesn't happen.

[alcd]

27 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Ah.... that would tie up with Mowbray banging on about possession football getting teams promoted in that interview, and you should stick with it, and not tear it up and start with a "new idea" - ie. Pullis hoof ball....

Jesus. Pulis would be a real downer.

 This squad is not remotely equipped for a Pulis rescue act. No height or physical presence in attack and diminutive ball players in midfield. Replacing Mowbray with Pulis would be a disaster. 

[callumrovers]

Go get Bruno Lage, top manager and available.

[Paul Mani]

1 minute ago, alcd said:

 This squad is not remotely equipped for a Pulis rescue act. No height or physical presence in attack and diminutive ball players in midfield. Replacing Mowbray with Pulis would be a disaster. 

Im not sure. Firstly, I don’t think we have enough ‘ball players’ and assuming we sell AA in the summer and invested inevitably in 5/6 6ft 2in plus players, adding some steel and leadership to the ranks, I think we’d potentially be better off?

[JHRover]

Pulis would tick all the 2015- present boxes. 

HSH

Unemployed

Would love the job

Once got promotion from this league a long time ago

Just like Lambert, Coyle and Mowbray

I don't know how I would feel TBH. Prior to his Middlesbrough and Sheff Wed spells I'd be all over it but he didn't impress in either of those and he doesn't have the same sort of track record as Warnock, Bruce, McCarthy and Hughton (the other 'dinosaurs'). It took Pulis a while to get Stoke sorted and he hasn't done it anywhere else.

He's better as a firefighter keeping teams up than dragging them to promotion.

I'd rather him than a needless and reckless gamble on a rookie or nonentity from lord knows where but I think there are many better and more exciting options for the club.

[alcd]

Just now, Paul Mani said:

Im not sure. Firstly, I don’t think we have enough ‘ball players’ and assuming we sell AA in the summer and invested inevitably in 5/6 6ft 2in plus players, adding some steel and leadership to the ranks, I think we’d potentially be better off?

When I say "disaster" I mean relegation would be even more likely under Pulis than with Mowbray. 

[SBlue]

1 hour ago, slowmo said:

Shocking interview , just reeling of the same sound bites and never looked at the camera.

Never trust someone who doesn't look you in the eye .

He will be gone before the next international break imo ,can see this form continuing a while yet.

 

Contrary to popular belief, the interviewer does not wear the camera on a head mount.

 

Really, really sounded like he’s going and he knows it though

Edited March 2, 2021 by S8 & Blue

[booth]

50 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

It’d be interesting if Pulis had already been mooted at the club. I thought Mowbrays comments about keeping our footballing philosophy if he was to go were really odd...

I took it as he was trying to keep Venus in a job, which is horrifying.

[47er]

20 minutes ago, alcd said:

 This squad is not remotely equipped for a Pulis rescue act. No height or physical presence in attack and diminutive ball players in midfield. Replacing Mowbray with Pulis would be a disaster. 

Only if he didn't change the squad.....He could set up a defence.

[Armchair supporter supremo]

40 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Like Mick McCarthy and Neil Warnock ?

I don't understand your question sorry? 

Both those managers have far better CVs than Mowbray, but i don't think any of those managers are what we need longterm. 

 

Also we have some of the best attcking players in the league at present so we need a manager that will get the best of them, whilst at the same time sorting out our awful defensive setup. 

 

Edited March 3, 2021 by Armchair supporter supremo

[jim mk2]

2 minutes ago, Armchair supporter supremo said:

I don't understand your question sorry! 

Both those managers have far better CVs than Mowbray, but i don't think any of those managers are what we need longterm 

Older "dinosaurs" (your word) such as Pulis are often bracketed with McCarthy, Warnock, Allardyce etc. While I'm not keen on Pulkis either, I'd welcome the other 3 with open arms. Pragmatic tough managers who get results are exactly what we need. 

[Sparks Rover]

17 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Older "dinosaurs" (your word) such as Pulis are often bracketed with McCarthy, Warnock, Allardyce etc. While I'm not keen on Pulkis either, I'd welcome the other 3 with open arms. Pragmatic tough managers who get results are exactly what we need. 

I think the players we have would benefit from Pulis.  Just need proper organising.

[Southside Rover]

To me it sounds like the end, that was a defeated man giving that interview and he made the comment that he's made aware of the content on social media.

Even if Mowbray was capable, this team just isn't playing anymore. Possession yes and I understand the point he makes but sideways and backwards passes will win nothing, eventually playing back to Kaminski to hoof back to the opposition or more likely out for a throw.

I still think Bernd Storck would be my shout as an outsider. Realistic as in not a mega money coup but unrealistic that we are likely to uncover a German managing in the far reaches of Eastern Europe even if he has managed national teams in the past.

I don't like the idea of Pulis, I think Strachan and Hughes are just to long out of the mix and at this point in the season I think it might be a short term appointment to just stop the rot and inject some positivity with a view to extending at the end of the season if it went well. At the end of the season its more likely there will be a bigger pool of candidates to explore although obviously it would be better to start now to hit the ground running from the off next season.

My other thought is a bit out there but Keane as Manager with Duff as Assistant? Duff knows the club, could play good cop, Keane with his demanding nature playing bad cop and giving this whole squad a bit of a shake up.

My worry would be it lacks Managerial experience and I'm not sure a young squad needs a Keane rollicking unless as youngsters they looked up to him based on what he achieved as a player. Its a shame we've drifted as we have else it might have been a bit safer to try...

Cowley brothers would be my 3rd choice if the above was a non starter and probably most likeliest of the 3.

Although what's Ronaldinho doing these days lol 😆

Either way, the blue and white bunting is out and I'm sure when morning time breaks in India and the Rovers bus pulls up at Ewood, a bright sun will rise and the grey clouds will part