Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Mattyblue]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I see it as a 2 way thing. Venkys need to communicate to us and learn to understand how to run the club with proper experience CEO running the club who is properly engage with the Club fans along with a proper modern footballing structure. 

If they haven’t learnt this after a decade, why will they suddenly start to?

It’s obviously just how they like to run things.

[1864roverite]

Mowbray needs to understand our journey came to an abrupt stop on 6th February 2021 when we capitulated against a woeful QPR followed by a bit of shuddering in further disgraceful capitulations versus nob end, Barnsley, forest and Watford ending with a limp performance v Coventry.

He hasn’t learned any lessons, he remains deluded failing to acknowledge or admit his own shortfalls and continues dishing out disrespectful comments to the support.

Mowbray out 

Edited April 12, 2021 by 1864roverite

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, PeteJD13 said:

Totally agree with this people are steady complaining that the summers going to be belt tightening. What else do you expect us and every other club will be doing the same 

Apart from when we end up selling Armstrong to a rival club. 

Also I'm not aware of anyone else set to lose 15 players.

So other clubs won't be doing the same. We will have a mountain to climb and a manager that shouldn't be here

 

[martonrover]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I see it as a 2 way thing. Venkys need to communicate to us and learn to understand how to run the club with proper experience CEO running the club who is properly engage with the Club fans along with a proper modern footballing structure. 

A competent, empowered and functioning CEO would do it. Then it wouldn't matter that they know the square root of zero about football.

The fact they still have appointed one is proof that they still haven't learned anything.

[tomphil]

In this instance it's understandable they might sell Armstrong and use what profit there is to balance the books. Hard as it is to swallow it's not unusual that side of it this time is bad luck.

Still swings back to the manager though for pishing all that money away on two guys he can't make head or tail of. He should be potted for that but i think it might actually be something that helps keep him in a job. He'll be telling the owners he can adjust play again and make one of them shine and double in value. They'll probably swallow it as well.

We all know though we are in the mire next season for goals if we lose him.

Rhodes to Graham to Armstrong to what ? 

 

[broadsword]

20 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I see it as a 2 way thing. Venkys need to communicate to us and learn to understand how to run the club with proper experience CEO running the club who is properly engage with the Club fans along with a proper modern footballing structure. 

Well give them time, it's only been ten years and counting so far. 

 

🤔 

[PeteJD13]

14 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Apart from when we end up selling Armstrong to a rival club. 

Also I'm not aware of anyone else set to lose 15 players.

So other clubs won't be doing the same. We will have a mountain to climb and a manager that shouldn't be here

 

Crystal Palace most of there squad is out of contract 

[AllRoverAsia]

39 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I see it as a 2 way thing. Venkys need to communicate to us and learn to understand how to run the club with proper experience CEO running the club who is properly engage with the Club fans along with a proper modern footballing structure. 

Whilst I admire and respect optimism that is just wishful thinking and IMHO is never going to happen.

Instead they install the likes of Pasha as a safety buffer.

Learn from history and their 10 years of gross mismanagement.

I have been anti TM for a long time but realise he is just a symptom.

The real and, still, unsolvable problem lies in Pune.

Edited April 12, 2021 by AllRoverAsia

[chaddyrovers]

22 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

If they haven’t learnt this after a decade, why will they suddenly start to?

It’s obviously just how they like to run things.

Get Pasha onside and working with him with help. 

20 minutes ago, martonrover said:

A competent, empowered and functioning CEO would do it. Then it wouldn't matter that they know the square root of zero about football.

The fact they still have appointed one is proof that they still haven't learned anything.

The problems is certain people have taken advantages of them and now are very caution who they can trust. 

24 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Apart from when we end up selling Armstrong to a rival club. 

Also I'm not aware of anyone else set to lose 15 players.

So other clubs won't be doing the same. We will have a mountain to climb and a manager that shouldn't be here

 

Sheffield Wednesday, Wycombe and Huddersfield set to lose more than us. 

Plus we have a number of club options on players contract which again you overlook JH

[DE.]

So they think they can trust the likes of HSH and the Coventrio but not actual Rovers fans whose only motivation would be to see the club succeed? Makes sense.

[roversfan99]

It shouldnt be down to fans to make the effort to these pig ignorant bell ends based on assumptions and guesses as to how exactly they work. They clearly dont give a shit what we think and sadly that will never change. Not sure why Pasha is suddenly seen as the key.

[RoversClitheroe]

59 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

I think Ayala will be what gets him the chop, last time we had shocking run Waggott came out to defend him. No ones doing that now 

We're still on that run of form haha

[chaddyrovers]

22 minutes ago, DE. said:

So they think they can trust the likes of HSH and the Coventrio but not actual Rovers fans whose only motivation would be to see the club succeed? Makes sense.

HSH clearly get their trust through Bowyer and the mess we were in at that time and the job he has done

 

[tomphil]

29 minutes ago, DE. said:

So they think they can trust the likes of HSH and the Coventrio but not actual Rovers fans whose only motivation would be to see the club succeed? Makes sense.

That's about the size of it.

Along with them probably being cheap on the commission front and having a few desperado's on their books.

Edited April 12, 2021 by tomphil

[Crimpshrine]

2 hours ago, darrenrover said:

Everyone seems to forget that the club has had zero income for more than 12 months and yet we're still batting.

No moans either...Whatever has gone on in the past, we have something to be thankful for IMO.

Same for every other club. I will never be thankful for the Venky's occupation of Rovers

[JHRover]

52 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Get Pasha onside and working with him with help. 

The problems is certain people have taken advantages of them and now are very caution who they can trust. 

Sheffield Wednesday, Wycombe and Huddersfield set to lose more than us. 

Plus we have a number of club options on players contract which again you overlook JH

Two of those are going down and Huddersfield are offloading their PL earners who have swallowed up all their parachute cash.

We are in a dreadful position. 

Options on players, if invoked, will likely see players going through the motions for 12 months unhappy at the club and counting down the days to departure.

[simongarnerisgod]

i hope they ar`nt letting mowbray run his contract down and then he can resign/retire with honour,ffs thats the worst option,meaning possible relegation and at best another empty season,i think he`s got a year left,mind you the attendance next year will signify the fans have long since given up on him

[Bigdoggsteel]

13 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Two of those are going down and Huddersfield are offloading their PL earners who have swallowed up all their parachute cash.

We are in a dreadful position. 

Options on players, if invoked, will likely see players going through the motions for 12 months unhappy at the club and counting down the days to departure.

If Mowbray stays, yes. Not set in stone if he doesn't

[chaddyrovers]

21 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Two of those are going down and Huddersfield are offloading their PL earners who have swallowed up all their parachute cash.

We are in a dreadful position. 

Options on players, if invoked, will likely see players going through the motions for 12 months unhappy at the club and counting down the days to departure.

So cos they going down they down count then? 

Did you want to keep of the majority of these out of contract players who have proved they arent they good enough for what we need. I would deffo keep JRC, probably Nyambe and maybe Rothwell but depends on his role within the team under a new manager. Rest can go..not good enough for what we need

[Ewood Ace]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

The problems is certain people have taken advantages of them and now are very caution who they can trust. 

The problem is that in their entire time here they have only had 2 people on the board who knew how to run a football club, that was John Williams and Tom Finn and they quickly forced them out. Ever since then no one at board room level appears to have a clue how to a football club should operate which is why we have ended up in a situation where the manager pretty much has free reign over everything even so far as being able to appoint his own CEO.

[Richard Oakley]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

So cos they going down they down count then? 

Did you want to keep of the majority of these out of contract players who have proved they arent they good enough for what we need. I would deffo keep JRC, probably Nyambe and maybe Rothwell but depends on his role within the team under a new manager. Rest can go..not good enough for what we need

A lot depends on this apparent review of all things Blackburn Rovers that Venkys are said to be doing after the season ends. Assuming that goes ahead, contracts will be done based on the budget and FFP restrictions.

It doesn't take a freak set of results to get us involved in a relegation battle. Those who think it does are still suffering from complacency and after Hull last year that ought not be the case.

Mowbray out. I haven't gone soft on that. Unfortunately, Venkys won't shift from review in the summer, unless results force their hand. If Venkys are now looking to sell the club that's good news, depending to whom they sell Blackburn Rovers. If it's true we 'owe' £200m to Venkys, £40m to our trade creditors and £20m to the SBOI, the sum they'll likely want won't be met. Even were Seneca and there £60m 'bid' still around and Venkys wrote off their 'debt' there would be no new money available after paying off the other creditors. It's a financial black hole.

@roversfan99 We're grasping at straws, because 'we' want action taken now.

[arbitro]

21 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

The problem is that in their entire time here they have only had 2 people on the board who knew how to run a football club, that was John Williams and Tom Finn and they quickly forced them out. Ever since then no one at board room level appears to have a clue how to a football club should operate which is why we have ended up in a situation where the manager pretty much has free reign over everything even so far as being able to appoint his own CEO.

I'm amazed that afer a decade of these owners the same tired old excuse for them is still trotted out. There is a letter in circulation signed by Messrs Williams, Finn and Goodman advising them that what was happening was against the rules and potentially could get us in trouble. They were still in situ when the letter was sent so had the owners not been so arrogant and listened to the people that knew and understood the potential pitfalls then all this could have been avoided. They didn't and within months all three were toast.

It was all so avoidable.

[chaddyrovers]

28 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

The problem is that in their entire time here they have only had 2 people on the board who knew how to run a football club, that was John Williams and Tom Finn and they quickly forced them out. Ever since then no one at board room level appears to have a clue how to a football club should operate which is why we have ended up in a situation where the manager pretty much has free reign over everything even so far as being able to appoint his own CEO.

Wasn't that on advice from people they thought they could trust? 

9 minutes ago, Richard Oakley said:

A lot depends on this apparent review of all things Blackburn Rovers that Venkys are said to be doing after the season ends. Assuming that goes ahead, contracts will be done based on the budget and FFP restrictions.

 

Haven't FFP rules been relax? 

Depends who is doing this review

[Ewood Ace]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Wasn't that on advice from people they thought they could trust? 

They are supposed to be business people all they had to do was look at how well the club was being run and just let it carry on. The problem was they thought they knew how to operate a football club better than men who had been doing it successfully for 15 years. And sadly that still seems to be the case. 

[Richard Oakley]

@chaddyrovers Absolutely. It does depend on who do the review.

Rumour is that once the furlough ends 50% of those employed in the admin side, including coaches would be made redundant. Presumably staffing levels would be part of the review.

Teams under a transfer embargo were limited to new contracts not exceeding £520,000 a year including any payments to agents to a squad up to 25 players. Since the players union wants the squad limit removed, it doesn't sound like that has changed.