Tony Mowbray Discussion

[RoversClitheroe]

3 hours ago, tomphil said:

If you've got an Hons degree in it or whatever then there'll be a need to willy wave it around.

Incorrect haha, mate has a master's in sports analysis and said xG is absolutely useless and the club's don't ever use it.

[AllRoverAsia]

Lancs Live, yet another Rovers internet mouthpiece, doing their best to add credibility to yet another Big Lie

Headline ''The greatly improved position Blackburn Rovers would sit in the Championship with expected goals scored''

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/blackburn-rovers-championship-expected-goals-20367373

Shame is not on newspaper, at least that's arse wipe.

As a side issue Lancs Live and the LT are the 2 most Advert infested websites I come across on my travels. That means of all the sites I visit.

I'm on very fast fibre but they are still a pain to navigate.
 

Edited April 13, 2021 by AllRoverAsia

[Ulrich]

Just do what I do with the LT then, don't click on the newsnow link. They can learn the hard way, all the adverts means they need money, no clicks means no money. Since their journos just want to spout propaganda in support of a man, over the club, then they can pay the price.

[K-Hod]

11 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:

I'm genuinely starting to lose my mind. 

All these stat accounts now trying to convince fans Mowbray isn't doing as badly as everyone thinks? 

Are they thinking straight? 

I'm genuinely baffled.

Like a Company that's going into administration, and some analyst saying "they shouldn't be going under as they have reduced expenses in X" 

It's an absolute joke imo.

If someone even has to ask whether Mowbray should be given more time, I’m astounded anyone can claim they ‘know their stuff’.

[Ulrich]

All the XG stats show is that TM is failing, we should be 5th and in the real world we are 17th. By their own argument he has failed miserably.

[tomphil]

6 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Incorrect haha, mate has a master's in sports analysis and said xG is absolutely useless and the club's don't ever use it.

I was on about the ones telling us on twitter that everything is fine  because the some of the sums add up 🤣

Edited April 13, 2021 by tomphil

[Stuart]

3 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Lancs Live, yet another Rovers internet mouthpiece, doing their best to add credibility to yet another Big Lie

Headline ''The greatly improved position Blackburn Rovers would sit in the Championship with expected goals scored''

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/blackburn-rovers-championship-expected-goals-20367373

Shame is not on newspaper, at least that's arse wipe.

As a side issue Lancs Live and the LT are the 2 most Advert infested websites I come across on my travels. That means of all the sites I visit.

I'm on very fast fibre but they are still a pain to navigate.
 

All that does is provide another way of demonstrating how Mowbray has us performing below expectations.

Maybe they could do a piece about where in the league we would be sat with a decent manager?

[Bigdoggsteel]

The major issue with "expected goals" as somehow being a positive for Mowbray, is that it literally highlights our main issue- why didn't we score the bloody goals??  Pointless possession, strikers who can't score (bar 1) and bad decision making in the final third 

[jim mk2]

4 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said:

 

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/blackburn-rovers-championship-expected-goals-20367373

 

What are "expected goals"?  What does it mean? There's no explanation unless I've missed it somewhere

[broadsword]

It's a statistic created by opta. 

EXPECTED GOALS (XG)

EXPECTED GOALS (XG) MEASURES THE QUALITY OF A SHOT BASED ON SEVERAL VARIABLES SUCH AS ASSIST TYPE, SHOT ANGLE AND DISTANCE FROM GOAL, WHETHER IT WAS A HEADED SHOT AND WHETHER IT WAS DEFINED AS A BIG CHANCE.

ADDING UP A PLAYER OR TEAM’S EXPECTED GOALS CAN GIVE US AN INDICATION OF HOW MANY GOALS A PLAYER OR TEAM SHOULD HAVE SCORED ON AVERAGE, GIVEN THE SHOTS THEY HAVE TAKEN

[Richard Oakley]

Ah performance, the straw that is clutched by managers who can't win.

Those seeking to show how much better we are doing than our league position can't use their previous favourite, the form table. We're bottom of that. Expected goals is the 'new' fake news. Our goal tally is skewed by the 29 (half) scored in, was it the first 11 games? The leading goalscorers tag was ours. Much Mowbray made of it. Then he dropped Dolan.

One of the not so impressive stats is the number of times 2 shots on target is recorded in games - at least that's my gut feeling from all the BBC stats. The 20 shots and 5 on target against Cardiff is an outlier. Seemed like Armstrong had half of them - no I didn't count his efforts - and in half of them a teammate was in a better position. Armstrong passing to said teammates would go a long way to improving their scoring return. Of course, Mowbray's put all the onus on scoring goals on Armstrong or had until his recent walkback. 

Mowbray is consistent on flip-flops and it is the constant changing that makes him so poor a manager. His verbal gaffes don't suggest he knows what he is doing. The results speak for themselves.

[AllRoverAsia]

1 hour ago, broadsword said:

It's a statistic created by opta. 

EXPECTED GOALS (XG)

EXPECTED GOALS (XG) MEASURES THE QUALITY OF A SHOT BASED ON SEVERAL VARIABLES SUCH AS ASSIST TYPE, SHOT ANGLE AND DISTANCE FROM GOAL, WHETHER IT WAS A HEADED SHOT AND WHETHER IT WAS DEFINED AS A BIG CHANCE.

ADDING UP A PLAYER OR TEAM’S EXPECTED GOALS CAN GIVE US AN INDICATION OF HOW MANY GOALS A PLAYER OR TEAM SHOULD HAVE SCORED ON AVERAGE, GIVEN THE SHOTS THEY HAVE TAKEN

Once upon a time, in an age long long ago, one of my coaches in my youth, an ex-professional winger, used to shout: ''get it in the fucking sprout bag'' - to him that was the goal stat that mattered, not the aesthetic quality of a shot. 

[47er]

When we win (rare I know) Mowbray claims football's a results business.

When we lose he goes on about the performance.

Complete fraud.

 

[tomphil]

However did football manage before these lads turned up with their ipads, degrees and percentages.  Its improved the game and the managers no end, i wonder if stats can be bet on by any chance ?

 

[Oldgregg86]

2 hours ago, broadsword said:

It's a statistic created by opta. 

EXPECTED GOALS (XG)

EXPECTED GOALS (XG) MEASURES THE QUALITY OF A SHOT BASED ON SEVERAL VARIABLES SUCH AS ASSIST TYPE, SHOT ANGLE AND DISTANCE FROM GOAL, WHETHER IT WAS A HEADED SHOT AND WHETHER IT WAS DEFINED AS A BIG CHANCE.

ADDING UP A PLAYER OR TEAM’S EXPECTED GOALS CAN GIVE US AN INDICATION OF HOW MANY GOALS A PLAYER OR TEAM SHOULD HAVE SCORED ON AVERAGE, GIVEN THE SHOTS THEY HAVE TAKEN

So it literally means who squanders and wastes the most opportunities . Brilliant. May aswell be top of that league aswell

[arbitro]

16 minutes ago, tomphil said:

However did football manage before these lads turned up with their ipads, degrees and percentages.  Its improved the game and the managers no end, i wonder if stats can be bet on by any chance ?

 

For me personally it's another big lump of the block that used to be my love of football but the idiots have chipped away at it so much there's not much left. I honestly have not read so much bollocks on football related topics in my life. Expected goals, what does it mean, what does it prove, who actually believes in this shite. Winning football matches is all that matters, that is what success is built on but some have lost sight of that in the statistic driven world. It's simple, couldn't be simpler really - score more than your opponents and win the game. 

Still it keeps some people in a job.

[Bigdoggsteel]

2 hours ago, broadsword said:

It's a statistic created by opta. 

EXPECTED GOALS (XG)

EXPECTED GOALS (XG) MEASURES THE QUALITY OF A SHOT BASED ON SEVERAL VARIABLES SUCH AS ASSIST TYPE, SHOT ANGLE AND DISTANCE FROM GOAL, WHETHER IT WAS A HEADED SHOT AND WHETHER IT WAS DEFINED AS A BIG CHANCE.

ADDING UP A PLAYER OR TEAM’S EXPECTED GOALS CAN GIVE US AN INDICATION OF HOW MANY GOALS A PLAYER OR TEAM SHOULD HAVE SCORED ON AVERAGE, GIVEN THE SHOTS THEY HAVE TAKEN

Proves nothing, as we have shown 

[oldjamfan1]

As far as I'm concerned XG is my shirt size in France.

[broadsword]

Whether it was defined as a big chance demonstrates that this is a subjective measure. 

To me, mowbray telling our players to keep passing it backwards, and getting Armstrong to shoot on sight shows that he is trying to game the system, ie keep his job. 

I'm not totally familiar with opta stats, perhaps they can be of some use as part of an overall toolbox, but certainly not the be-all and end-all of football management. I never saw a stats table score a goal, or go on for a fifty fifty on a wet windy cold night in Doncaster in the last minute of a game you're losing. 

Edited April 13, 2021 by broadsword

[RevidgeBlue]

3 hours ago, broadsword said:

It's a statistic created by opta. 

EXPECTED GOALS (XG)

EXPECTED GOALS (XG) MEASURES THE QUALITY OF A SHOT BASED ON SEVERAL VARIABLES SUCH AS ASSIST TYPE, SHOT ANGLE AND DISTANCE FROM GOAL, WHETHER IT WAS A HEADED SHOT AND WHETHER IT WAS DEFINED AS A BIG CHANCE.

ADDING UP A PLAYER OR TEAM’S EXPECTED GOALS CAN GIVE US AN INDICATION OF HOW MANY GOALS A PLAYER OR TEAM SHOULD HAVE SCORED ON AVERAGE, GIVEN THE SHOTS THEY HAVE TAKEN

"Whether it was defined as a big chance" you can't use that as a criteria it's completely subjective!

To give it some sort of credibility it'd have to have some form of definition

I.e. not more than ten yards out between the goal posts etc.

Edit: Oops Brian beat me to it.

Edited April 13, 2021 by RevidgeBlue

[Tom]

Oh bloody Nora, Lancs Live now writing filler pieces with xG (and xA....) as the source 

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/bradley-dack-injury-impact-return-20375848.amp?__twitter_impression=true

 

[tomphil]

24 minutes ago, arbitro said:

For me personally it's another big lump of the block that used to be my love of football but the idiots have chipped away at it so much there's not much left. I honestly have not read so much bollocks on football related topics in my life. Expected goals, what does it mean, what does it prove, who actually believes in this shite. Winning football matches is all that matters, that is what success is built on but some have lost sight of that in the statistic driven world. It's simple, couldn't be simpler really - score more than your opponents and win the game. 

Still it keeps some people in a job.

It's that sterile now on and off the pitch that games at even championship level are played like chess by some managers. More content with stats and cancelling out some bog standard opposition right back than working on their own teams strengths to have a real go at winning.

The game is going to be overloaded by backroom staff it doesn't really need but has to have because everyone else is doing it.

What happened to real entertainment on the pitch and players as well as fans looking like they enjoy it ?

[Mattyblue]

‘His injury probably makes this meaningless ‘

Some way to open an article, that. 🤨

And generally the standard of writing in the rest of it, thought I was reading a Facebook post on TheRovers, not something from (presumably) a qualified journalist...

[Oldgregg86]

27 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

"Whether it was defined as a big chance" you can't use that as a criteria it's completely subjective!

To give it some sort of credibility it'd have to have some form of definition

I.e. not more than ten yards out between the goal posts etc.

Edit: Oops Brian beat me to it.

You could have the exact same outcome I.e ten yards out , proffered foot etc but put shearer and brereton in the same position and I’d expect the former to maybe do a little better

[Ewood Ace]

27 minutes ago, Tom said:

Oh bloody Nora, Lancs Live now writing filler pieces with xG (and xA....) as the source 

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/bradley-dack-injury-impact-return-20375848.amp?__twitter_impression=true

 

Terrible website the standard of the articles written about Rovers on there makes the LT's look like they were written by Brian Glanville.